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05/28/2007 08:30:34 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Originally posted by Sheryll:
I'm about to go vote on every single entry in this challenge and give only scores between 8 to 10 to counteract the low voters out there. My photo is done but, I can try to save the low scores out there that didn't deserve em. |
Gack! But what about the ones that did deserve them? For the love of God don't do it! It's insanity!
lol. I make me laugh. |
I dissagree, i say we ALL give only 10's, make everyone feel less sad for getting a 5 lol
Though now im up to
Votes: 49
Views: 71
Avg Vote: 5.6122
yay |
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05/28/2007 08:41:19 PM · #152 |
Votes: 58
Views: 73
Avg Vote: 5.0172
Comments: 0
I finally inched in to the 5s. The very low 5s. WoooHooo! |
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05/28/2007 08:59:27 PM · #153 |
Votes: 53
Views: 76
Avg Vote: 5.2453
Comments: 2
Could be BETTER, could be worse!
Where are all the voters???
*probably muchin' on some good ol' Memorial Day bar-b-que!*
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05/28/2007 09:01:32 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
Originally posted by brighteyes:
Originally posted by JamesKW:
For those of you, including myself, that are looking for comments from low voters, forget it. They are either avoiding confrontation and PMs or they just do not have the intellect to explain their expert opinion. And yes after a year on this site I should be use to this but it still pisses me off. |
I try to comment when I see something I don't like or think could've done better/differently. What bugs me are the comments where they just say stuff like "studio shot" or "Wow" or "what the hell?" Um, yeah? Just how does that help me? |
I have voted on all entries in this challenge. I have commented on more than 30. The ones I commented on were the ones I liked. I typically comment on what makes that image stand out for me. But, sometimes I remark, among other things, its status with regard to being a studio shot or a found shot or what have you. I also sometimes say, "Wow!" if that is my first reaction. Now, I'm going to think twice about even giving my reaction, as that is obviously not helpful.
Since I do not have an EXPERT OPINION, I no longer comment on what I didn't like. How an image can be improved is often subjective and I trust the photographer did what he/she did because that is the way they wanted it. I am not a low voter by any means but, being intellectually challenged, I chose not to bother photographers with my drivel.
That said, Since I am done with this challenge, if you would like a comment and what I gave you as a vote, please feel free to PM me and I will tell you why I voted the way I did on your image. It may not be helpful, it may not be intelligent, and it definitely won't be an expert opinion, but I'd be more than happy to oblige. |
I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from commenting. I always enjoy getting comments about what they did or didn't like about my shot. Leaving it at "Wow" does nothing. Did you say "wow" because you were impressed or did you say "wow" because you couldn't believe I would submit a POS picture to a challenge? Leaving your opinion either way will help us better understand why we get low scores. Clarifying a "wow" comment will help us understand what was it that impressed you. Or disgusted you. I try to refrain from leaving comments on the person/model, esp if they're negative and say things like "she has dirty feet" If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. Better yet, in this case, if you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't say anything at all. Pointing out what you thought was a strong point about the picture is helpful. Also pointing out what you felt was a flaw will help. Doesn't mean others would agree with you but the photographer may find it helpful.
That said, I'm still looking through the photos. And my ranking is about the same:
Votes: 56
Views: 70
Avg Vote: 4.2143
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05/28/2007 11:24:09 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
I feel somewhat sad because there's a lot of image that I would normally give a 6 or 7 but I have to give a 5 simply because there's about 20 of the same style of image. (E.g. waterfalls) |
WHAT? Shouldn't you vote on individual performance?
Originally posted by Citadel:
its just hard for one waterfall shot to stand out amongst all the other. |
WHAT? Uhh yes it is
Originally posted by Citadel:
Mine was a shot that while not overly done does have a few competitors (about 4 that I counted) that used a similar subject/style |
WHAT? So we should vote lower on yours because other people chose to shoot the same subject/style as you?
Sounds like someones a bit bitter
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05/29/2007 02:24:23 AM · #156 |
Votes: 71
Views: 102
Avg Vote: 5.3239
Comments: 0
This is my highest score yet. I'm happy. |
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05/29/2007 02:25:57 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by kotzie:
Votes: 71
Views: 102
Avg Vote: 5.3239
Comments: 0
This is my highest score yet. I'm happy. |
congrats on a new pb then! It feels good doesn't it? |
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05/29/2007 02:42:33 AM · #158 |
Originally posted by fredahenry:
Votes: 18
Views: 45
Avg Vote: 5.3889
Comments: 1
I'm waiting for happy voters.. |
it's up..hoping it keeps creeping up.
Votes: 68
Views: 127
Avg Vote: 5.7794
Comments: 4
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05/29/2007 05:32:20 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by JamesKW:
For those of you, including myself, that are looking for comments from low voters, forget it. They are either avoiding confrontation and PMs or they just do not have the intellect to explain their expert opinion. And yes after a year on this site I should be use to this but it still pisses me off.
I just left 30 comments on the (IMHO) not-so-good pictures. Can't wait for the loads of angry PMs and members deleting me from their fav list.
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05/29/2007 05:59:52 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by eyewave:
Originally posted by JamesKW:
For those of you, including myself, that are looking for comments from low voters, forget it. They are either avoiding confrontation and PMs or they just do not have the intellect to explain their expert opinion. And yes after a year on this site I should be use to this but it still pisses me off.
I just left 30 comments on the (IMHO) not-so-good pictures. Can't wait for the loads of angry PMs and members deleting me from their fav list. |
FYI You will be waiting a long time before you will get an angry PM from me. And if I made you a fav you will stay a fav. I am a better person than that. Thank you for leaving your comment.
IMHO my photo and everyone else you left a constructive comment too are not bad photos. Granted there are better ones but so what. This site to me is a learning and fun site. IMHO I am finding the side challenges to be better for learning than a lot of these challenges.
Message edited by author 2007-05-29 06:01:28. |
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05/29/2007 06:03:38 AM · #161 |
Personally,
I find constructive comments are good for improving my photography.
I used to recieve a constructive comment from eyewave and I really appreciate it. |
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05/29/2007 08:09:35 AM · #162 |
Originally posted by username_deleted:
Hello Eyewave
Just to give a reason for your 3348 made comments and only 2687 helpful: When making comments try if possible to give contructive critisism instead of being a jerk... Thx.
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That's what I expected. I try to be helpful and constructive, but obviously 661 people couldn't bear having their pictures criticized. Might also depend on english being my second language...
BTW, the PM came from a user with a lower average vote cast than mine and he only marked 44 of the 121 comments he received as helpful.
Originally posted by eyewave:
I just left 30 comments on the (IMHO) not-so-good pictures. Can't wait for the loads of angry PMs and members deleting me from their fav list. |
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05/29/2007 08:27:38 AM · #163 |
I didn't get a comment from you. Guess that's a good thing? ;)
You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. No matter what, people here will complain about something. As a commenter, you have to either develop a thick skin or lie to people or stop being a commenter. Wish the photographers would understand that the comments aren't personal attacks. |
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05/29/2007 08:35:11 AM · #164 |
eyewave
am not sure what you told the other guys, but your comment was constructive, thanks:) |
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05/29/2007 08:40:50 AM · #165 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
I didn't get a comment from you. Guess that's a good thing? ;)
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wait til i have come to your picture - I'm not finished yet :)
And thanks for your post, I won't stop commenting, my skin is thick as a rhino's
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05/29/2007 08:44:24 AM · #166 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
I didn't get a comment from you. Guess that's a good thing? ;)
You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. No matter what, people here will complain about something. As a commenter, you have to either develop a thick skin or lie to people or stop being a commenter. Wish the photographers would understand that the comments aren't personal attacks. |
Courtenay,
You gave me an exacting critique, and thanks again for it.
I find that artists, serious ones, go through this phase of grief when a comment is not to their liking. At least artist I hang around with, and my self as well.
Shock stage: Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.
Denial stage: Trying to avoid the inevitable.
Anger stage: Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.
Bargaining stage: Seeking in vain for a way out.
Depression stage: Final realization of the inevitable.
Testing stage: Seeking realistic solutions.
Acceptance stage: Finally finding the way forward.
These stages of grief are the foundation of grief when someone dies by loved ones.
We, in a way, the artist, are the loved one, and the art is the thing that dies from a comment.
Until we can reach that Acceptance stage, growing, and learning will have to wait.
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05/29/2007 08:57:02 AM · #167 |
I don't know what's going on with the scoring in this challenge but they seem very low compared to average challenges. And most of the photographs are very good.
My score is lower than I expected and currently I have only two comments, thank you! Both comments are totally different but I'm grateful for both.
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05/29/2007 09:00:38 AM · #168 |
DPL influence? Note that Jorge's amazing desat Blue didn't even budge anything off his top row (and I show 7 for the top row). Granted, Jorge has amazing scores to begin with, but still it was only a 7.1, AND the only 7 in the challenge.
It'll be interesting to see the final results of this one as far as top ten scores. |
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05/29/2007 09:08:07 AM · #169 |
| I think that the influence of DPL on the vote is evident. The second place with only 6.87 isn't a common result. I think that we can estimate with -0.5 the DPL influence but this effect is for all the images and haven't great influence on the results. Always will win the best photos (with a lower score) |
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05/29/2007 09:14:11 AM · #170 |
I didnt enter thisone but Ive given lower scores than usual on this one. not bad scores, just for me I havent seen many that really mean 4 elements for me. A beautiful landscape doesnt qualify for me.
A closeup of the earth with a plant sprouting does.
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05/29/2007 09:15:01 AM · #171 |
I don't think there is a large influence; I have got blue ribbons with 6.9 and 7.0 and I also made a 4th place with 7.1. It just happens from time to time and depends very much on the challenge theme itself... In case of the "Selective desat" challenge there wasn't too much creativity (IMO) and lots of users (including me) have stated, they don't like selective desaturation at all.
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05/29/2007 09:17:34 AM · #172 |
I think nearly everyone is overestimating the effect of DPL on the scores. 6.8 won second place in Selective Desaturation because a LOT of people openly admit to not liking the technique. THAT is more likely to have affected the scores. I have no idea why this one appears to be scoring lower than usual, but having voted it, there are a LOT of entries and they begin to get repetitive very quickly.
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05/29/2007 09:26:35 AM · #173 |
| I am one of the person that don't like the selective desaturation. I think that with the next contests we will have a better idea of the situation. selective desaturation was the first contest of the DPL, wait the next. |
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05/29/2007 10:34:29 AM · #174 |
Votes: 65
Views: 90
Avg Vote: 4.0923
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Woohoo, I wasn't expecting much being its my first challenge, so I guess my first PB isn't going to be tough to break lol. I noticed obvious mistakes in mine yesterday pondering how tired I was when I edited the image. I know mine was far from the worst since I actually voted on all of them, so I'm curious how low the lowest scores will be.
Due to a rainy weekend, and not working on it lower, I knew this attempt was rushed, so I can only sit back, watch my score plummet while tossing back popcorn and laughing.
Does Brown Ribboning count as ribboning your first challenge? lol
And at least the 1 comment was constructive and helpful, and no it wasn't from you eyewave. |
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05/29/2007 10:46:07 AM · #175 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
These stages of grief are the foundation of grief when someone dies by loved ones.
We, in a way, the artist, are the loved one, and the art is the thing that dies from a comment.
Until we can reach that Acceptance stage, growing, and learning will have to wait. |
I just stick out my tongue. Reminds me that I'm being juvenile.
Not everyone will like it, not everyone will hate it. Sometimes you make a masterpiece, sometimes you make a stinker. Maybe I'm just too laid back. My husband thinks so - he doesn't understand why I don't get mad at things. I always ask myself when I feel my temper flaring - will my reaction make any difference what so ever in the grand scheme? Once I figure it won't and I'm just a dust speck in general, I get happy cause that means all the stupid crap I do doesn't make a difference either. :) |
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