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05/28/2007 10:16:32 AM · #101 |
The Four Elements II
Votes: 27
Views: 37
Avg Vote: 5.5185
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/28/07 10:16 am
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05/28/2007 10:17:14 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by brighteyes:
Originally posted by JamesKW:
For those of you, including myself, that are looking for comments from low voters, forget it. They are either avoiding confrontation and PMs or they just do not have the intellect to explain their expert opinion. And yes after a year on this site I should be use to this but it still pisses me off. |
I try to comment when I see something I don't like or think could've done better/differently. What bugs me are the comments where they just say stuff like "studio shot" or "Wow" or "what the hell?" Um, yeah? Just how does that help me? |
I have voted on all entries in this challenge. I have commented on more than 30. The ones I commented on were the ones I liked. I typically comment on what makes that image stand out for me. But, sometimes I remark, among other things, its status with regard to being a studio shot or a found shot or what have you. I also sometimes say, "Wow!" if that is my first reaction. Now, I'm going to think twice about even giving my reaction, as that is obviously not helpful.
Since I do not have an EXPERT OPINION, I no longer comment on what I didn't like. How an image can be improved is often subjective and I trust the photographer did what he/she did because that is the way they wanted it. I am not a low voter by any means but, being intellectually challenged, I chose not to bother photographers with my drivel.
That said, Since I am done with this challenge, if you would like a comment and what I gave you as a vote, please feel free to PM me and I will tell you why I voted the way I did on your image. It may not be helpful, it may not be intelligent, and it definitely won't be an expert opinion, but I'd be more than happy to oblige. |
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05/28/2007 10:25:33 AM · #103 |
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05/28/2007 10:34:45 AM · #104 |
Votes: 30
Views: 42
Avg Vote: 4.1000
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
first challenge, so not expecting much :) Least i'm not a zero lol |
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05/28/2007 10:35:02 AM · #105 |
| But... but... I like getting comments from you, dahkota, so, umm, keep doing it. |
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05/28/2007 10:35:25 AM · #106 |
Votes: 27
Views: 33
Avg Vote: 4.1852
Comments: 0
What I can't figure out is that we were given instructions to choose earth, wind (i.e. "air",) fire, and/or water. I chose a photo that combined two of these, was well-executed technically IMHO, and is pleasant to view...also...IMHO.
However, apparently because it's not a picture of a pile of dirt, trees with leaves obviously blowing, some form of a flame of fire, or a lake/river/cup of water, my entry is tracking poorly which most often translates into a DNMC.
I despise traditional thought that tries to negate creative thought!
IMHO...if I had chosen to include the sun in my photo (as I originally wanted to do,) then I believe that THAT should have been allowable as a representation of fire.
Okay, I'll "Say my peace" in Bottom Line format...If DPC ever becomes so myopic/tunnel-visioned that every challenge has an expected format or quality (i.e. clarity & color-scheme...to name two examples,) then all challenge descriptions should be written in legalese.
Until that time, voters should base their scores on technical merit, creative/artistic quality, the admitted personal taste, and simplicity/focus on subject...rather than use a highly-subjective measuring stick, called DNMC.
IMHO it is not possible to rightly judge meeting/not meeting the challenge based on observation alone because photography is as much ART as it is science. Photographers range widely in ability as well as intent...from TC (technically-correct) photographers who have much in common with architects to CT (creatively thinking) photographers who have more in common with canvas painters.
Intent is just as worthy a tool of critiquing photography as is reputation. Knowing why a photographer believed that he/she met the challenge always goes a long way toward accurate assessment of any work of ART.
Since knowing intent in not possible in the way we do critiques, then "Benefit of the Doubt" must always be attached to observation to correctly & graciously grade any photo,...but THAT's just my opinion. :) |
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05/28/2007 10:43:00 AM · #107 |
Votes: 33
Views: 39
Avg Vote: 4.9091
I may break into the 5s. |
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05/28/2007 10:46:24 AM · #108 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
But... but... I like getting comments from you, dahkota, so, umm, keep doing it. |
I looked at her portfolio and would love to get a positive or negative comment from her. She has some beautiful images and could probably help me in understanding a low score.
 Dahkota, once this challenge is over, I would love to have your opinion on my shot. If my post offended those of you who really try to give a score based on it's merits, I am sorry. But, for those of you that just enjoy these reactions, get over it.
I too understand that it is hard to give a comment and really explain what it is that you see. I will try to refrain from posting when I am frustrated. Rock on people and continue to do your thing. |
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05/28/2007 10:48:20 AM · #109 |
Oh,...and by the Way...It's not April 1st! All y'all funny guys can go on ahead and start upgrading your irresponsible scores to the correct ones that our photos should be.
When Jutilda gets a 4.88, I know something's amiss (even if the photo was presented by a married lady!) :}
We are sorry, Lady Jutilda! The quality of your work is consistent and always skilled!
I am one fan who is willing to state boldly, "You are appreciated!" |
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05/28/2007 10:51:55 AM · #110 |
Votes: 32
Views: 75
Avg Vote: 3.9063
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
2 of the comments were query's.
This what happens to creativity.
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05/28/2007 10:52:28 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Votes: 27
Views: 33
Avg Vote: 4.1852
Comments: 0
What I can't figure out is that we were given instructions to choose earth, wind (i.e. "air",) fire, and/or water. I chose a photo that combined two of these, was well-executed technically IMHO, and is pleasant to view...also...IMHO.
However, apparently because it's not a picture of a pile of dirt, trees with leaves obviously blowing, some form of a flame of fire, or a lake/river/cup of water, my entry is tracking poorly which most often translates into a DNMC.
I despise traditional thought that tries to negate creative thought!
IMHO...if I had chosen to include the sun in my photo (as I originally wanted to do,) then I believe that THAT should have been allowable as a representation of fire.
Okay, I'll "Say my peace" in Bottom Line format...If DPC ever becomes so myopic/tunnel-visioned that every challenge has an expected format or quality (i.e. clarity & color-scheme...to name two examples,) then all challenge descriptions should be written in legalese.
Until that time, voters should base their scores on technical merit, creative/artistic quality, the admitted personal taste, and simplicity/focus on subject...rather than use a highly-subjective measuring stick, called DNMC.
IMHO it is not possible to rightly judge meeting/not meeting the challenge based on observation alone because photography is as much ART as it is science. Photographers range widely in ability as well as intent...from TC (technically-correct) photographers who have much in common with architects to CT (creatively thinking) photographers who have more in common with canvas painters.
Intent is just as worthy a tool of critiquing photography as is reputation. Knowing why a photographer believed that he/she met the challenge always goes a long way toward accurate assessment of any work of ART.
Since knowing intent in not possible in the way we do critiques, then "Benefit of the Doubt" must always be attached to observation to correctly & graciously grade any photo,...but THAT's just my opinion. :) |
You can join my WTF thread when the voting is done. I'm blown away by my score. (4.7059) I received a comment saying they don't see the elements. Mine has 3 at least, and I could argue the 4th if I had to. I spent money on this challenge. I don't think I've ever done that, heh.
I tried too hard and liked it too much..
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05/28/2007 11:13:04 AM · #112 |
Votes: 39
Views: 59
Avg Vote: 5.3590
Comments: 1
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05/28/2007 11:31:04 AM · #113 |
I have that over the last year there have been a number of challenge descriptions that lend themselves to misinterpretation because they are less than crystal clear. This has led to threads debating the meaning of challenges descriptions and misinterpretations thereof (1st sign of a poorly written challenge description).
Frequently, as in the current challenge, a list of items is given with an and/or placed at the end. This could easily be misinterpreted.
The Four Elements II challenge description read:
"Create an image representing your choice of Earth, Air, Fire, and/or Water."
It could have easily read and reduced confusion by stating:
"Create an image representing one or more of the following elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water"
Instead we get threads with people interpreting the challenge to mean that submissions are required to contain any of the following:
1. Earth, Air, Fire, Water
2. Earth, Air, Water
Why? Because the description leaves room for narrow viewing of the challenge. This results in poor scores for good photos IMHO and happens more frequently than it should.
Sorry. Just venting. Seen this too many times. |
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05/28/2007 11:44:16 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by krafty1:
I have that over the last year there have been a number of challenge descriptions that lend themselves to misinterpretation because they are less than crystal clear. This has led to threads debating the meaning of challenges descriptions and misinterpretations thereof (1st sign of a poorly written challenge description).
Frequently, as in the current challenge, a list of items is given with an and/or placed at the end. This could easily be misinterpreted.
The Four Elements II challenge description read:
"Create an image representing your choice of Earth, Air, Fire, and/or Water."
It could have easily read and reduced confusion by stating:
"Create an image representing one or more of the following elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water"
Instead we get threads with people interpreting the challenge to mean that submissions are required to contain any of the following:
1. Earth, Air, Fire, Water
2. Earth, Air, Water
Why? Because the description leaves room for narrow viewing of the challenge. This results in poor scores for good photos IMHO and happens more frequently than it should.
Sorry. Just venting. Seen this too many times. |
I totally agree, but....
Message edited by author 2007-05-28 11:44:39.
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05/28/2007 11:46:10 AM · #115 |
well blow me over with a feather. A new personal brown ribbon for me!
Votes: 39
Views: 57
Avg Vote: 4.7692
Comments: 1
This is a joke, right? |
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05/28/2007 11:51:25 AM · #116 |
This is interesting... Normally, the "post your scores here" threads are all about those with the big fat scores. But not this one. Which says to me that there is a trend of low scoring going on here. Let me join in the chorus of woe:
Votes: 37
Views: 49
Avg Vote: 4.8378
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0 |
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05/28/2007 11:55:27 AM · #117 |
Most of the good voters are out enjoying the holiday. Or working. They will be back tonight and all scores will go up. :)
That said, there are a boatload of great images here. I really enjoyed viewing this challenge. I also greatly appreciate my 4 comments and one favorite. You wouldn't expect that from the score I have which, as always, could be better. |
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05/28/2007 12:02:19 PM · #118 |
Votes: 32
Views: 51
Avg Vote: 4.7188
Comments: 1
my first vote was a 7....sheeeesh!
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05/28/2007 12:06:09 PM · #119 |
Actually there are many awesome and beautiful entries.
I hope there are more light-hearted voters coming in.
Atleast it could increasing my desperate score at the
moment.. |
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05/28/2007 12:17:10 PM · #120 |
Votes: 36
Views: 53
Avg Vote: 4.6389
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
As usual.
=P |
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05/28/2007 02:58:38 PM · #121 |
Votes: 38
Views: 57
Avg Vote: 5.3684
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/28/07 02:55 pm
Hmm i had higher hopes for this image. Hopefully it picks up a little bit. |
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05/28/2007 03:14:51 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Originally posted by whiterook:
Votes: 13
Views: 16
Avg Vote: 8.4615
Comments: 3
Favorites: 2
I don't want to wake up from this dream! |
woot! Way to go whiterook! Nice start man! 3 comments and 2 favs? Even if its not a personal best at the end no one can take the favs from you!
Wow! |
there goes my dream
Status: Thank you for submitting your proof file. Your submission is being reviewed by the administrators and is pending further action. |
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05/28/2007 03:22:36 PM · #123 |
I just got a validation request too. What's crazy is that I'm not usually good at keeping track of what I do in editing but for some crazy reason this time I wrote it all down as I was doing it. I can't wait til its validated and that message at the bottom gets posted so that hopefully my score will go up. right now it sucks at about 4.6/4.7.
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05/28/2007 03:24:29 PM · #124 |
I had a stupid-moment, and submitted the wrong edit of my entry, and even more stupidly, I didn't check it after I submitted it or I would have seen my error. Oops. At least it's something for the commentors to complain about.
Oddly it's not doing too poorly. I'm looking forward to the end of this challenge, because it makes me annoyed to see my entry.
>:-<(
Votes: 47
Views: 76
Avg Vote: 6.3191
Comments: 6
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/28/07 03:40 pm
Message edited by author 2007-05-28 15:41:26.
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05/28/2007 03:28:26 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I had a stupid-moment, and submitted the wrong edit of my entry, ...
I'm looking forward to the end of this challenge, because it makes me annoyed to see my entry.
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The really bad news is it will remain in your DPC profile forever to taunt you. :)
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