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05/08/2007 07:01:23 PM · #1 |
This is a good article. Well written and deals concisely with the Stalin "argument".
I nearly posted this in general discussion (it seems a shame that the interesting general stuff has to be locked away where no-one can see it and the general fluff is left out on general view), but relented to self-censorship.
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05/09/2007 05:02:19 PM · #2 |
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05/12/2007 03:06:06 AM · #3 |
| hmmm, well can't get the full article unless you sign up. |
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05/12/2007 01:09:59 PM · #4 |
Hm. That must be a new thing. I read it the day the link was posted and today they're asking me to sign up...?
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05/14/2007 12:05:48 PM · #5 |
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05/14/2007 09:03:13 PM · #6 |
Oh wow! I really liked that. Thanks for providing the new link.
Man anthiests certainly are nuts! lol.
Yikes. Some days I wonder if I am even WITNESSING the world I live in or if I'm living in some sort of horrible nightmare.
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05/14/2007 09:18:46 PM · #7 |
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05/14/2007 10:43:12 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Yikes. Some days I wonder if I am even WITNESSING the world I live in or if I'm living in some sort of horrible nightmare. |
I believe, I do, I believe it's true
I believe exactly what they tell me to
I believe, I do, I believe, it's true
I'm a simple guy, I believe!
--Tom Paxton |
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05/15/2007 12:06:16 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Yikes. Some days I wonder if I am even WITNESSING the world I live in or if I'm living in some sort of horrible nightmare. |
I believe, I do, I believe it's true
I believe exactly what they tell me to
I believe, I do, I believe, it's true
I'm a simple guy, I believe!
--Tom Paxton |
lol, i know. but the world seems so much prettier when I believe one day I can wake up! |
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05/15/2007 01:00:41 AM · #10 |
"the son of a carpenter who died 2,000 years ago sits in heaven advising presidents, fixing football games, and waiting for the day he will return to the Earth to brutally murder all unbelievers and erect a worldwide dictatorship."
OMG is that how it is supposed to mean? |
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05/15/2007 01:09:57 AM · #11 |
| Everyone must be trying to view... it won't open for me. |
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05/15/2007 01:14:14 AM · #12 |
It's amazing that in 2007 atheists are still viewed so terribly. This is from PollingReport.com:
"Between now and the 2008 political conventions, there will be discussion about the qualifications of presidential candidates -- their education, age, religion, race, and so on. If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be [see below], would you vote for that person?"
Catholic - 95% Yes
Black - 94% Yes
Jewish - 92% Yes
Woman - 88% Yes
Hispanic - 87% Yes
Mormon - 72% Yes
Married for the third time - 67% Yes
72 years of age - 57% Yes
Homosexual - 55% Yes
Atheist - 45% Yes
(Sources: USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 9-11, 2007 at pollingreport.com) |
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05/15/2007 01:18:34 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Catholic - 95% Yes
Black - 94% Yes
Jewish - 92% Yes
Woman - 88% Yes
Hispanic - 87% Yes
Mormon - 72% Yes
Married for the third time - 67% Yes
72 years of age - 57% Yes
Homosexual - 55% Yes
Atheist - 45% Yes
(Sources: USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 9-11, 2007 at pollingreport.com) |
You could raise your numbers by being a black atheist :-D
Ooops, I'm sorry, African Non-Believer.
Message edited by author 2007-05-15 01:19:32.
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05/15/2007 01:19:42 AM · #14 |
Or you could do what most do and just pretend you're Catholic. :P
Message edited by author 2007-05-15 01:19:57. |
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05/15/2007 01:24:32 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by yanko:
Catholic - 95% Yes
Black - 94% Yes
Jewish - 92% Yes
Woman - 88% Yes
Hispanic - 87% Yes
Mormon - 72% Yes
Married for the third time - 67% Yes
72 years of age - 57% Yes
Homosexual - 55% Yes
Atheist - 45% Yes
(Sources: USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 9-11, 2007 at pollingreport.com) |
You could raise your numbers by being a black atheist :-D
Ooops, I'm sorry, African Non-Believer. |
or a 72 year old homosexual who is married for the 3rd time and is atheist XD |
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05/15/2007 01:27:43 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by yanko:
Catholic - 95% Yes
Black - 94% Yes
Jewish - 92% Yes
Woman - 88% Yes
Hispanic - 87% Yes
Mormon - 72% Yes
Married for the third time - 67% Yes
72 years of age - 57% Yes
Homosexual - 55% Yes
Atheist - 45% Yes
(Sources: USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 9-11, 2007 at pollingreport.com) |
You could raise your numbers by being a black atheist :-D
Ooops, I'm sorry, African Non-Believer. |
or a 72 year old homosexual who is married for the 3rd time and is atheist XD |
Throw in female and black and you got yourself a prez with 406% of the vote! |
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05/15/2007 01:46:39 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Throw in female and black and you got yourself a prez with 406% of the vote! |
I was kinda hoping for a Hispanic Jew. Kosher Tacos sound yummy. :-D
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05/15/2007 11:47:23 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Or you could do what most do and just pretend you're Catholic. :P |
,i second that ,thnx yank.
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05/15/2007 11:59:14 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by yanko:
It's amazing that in 2007 atheists are still viewed so terribly. |
I'm not sure where the thought/quote came from, but it's an interesting point: Everyone is an atheist when it comes to 99% of the gods mankind has ever believed in. Some people just go one god further. |
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05/15/2007 12:01:26 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Throw in female and black and you got yourself a prez with 406% of the vote! |
I was kinda hoping for a Hispanic Jew. Kosher Tacos sound yummy. :-D |
If you like them without cheese or sour cream ... BTW: Sephardic Jews are those who came from (lived in) Spain, and have a whole separate language (not the Yiddish associated wuth Eastern European Jews), culture, and cuisine. They probably have some form of taco ...
Message edited by author 2007-05-15 12:04:14. |
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05/15/2007 12:05:52 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
It's amazing that in 2007 atheists are still viewed so terribly. |
I'm not sure where the thought/quote came from, but it's an interesting point: Everyone is an atheist when it comes to 99% of the gods mankind has ever believed in. Some people just go one god further. |
Richard Dawkins uses that line (or one very like it) pretty frequently. |
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05/18/2007 02:45:28 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by yanko:
It's amazing that in 2007 atheists are still viewed so terribly. This is from PollingReport.com:
"Between now and the 2008 political conventions, there will be discussion about the qualifications of presidential candidates -- their education, age, religion, race, and so on. If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be [see below], would you vote for that person?"
Catholic - 95% Yes
Black - 94% Yes
Jewish - 92% Yes
Woman - 88% Yes
Hispanic - 87% Yes
Mormon - 72% Yes
Married for the third time - 67% Yes
72 years of age - 57% Yes
Homosexual - 55% Yes
Atheist - 45% Yes
(Sources: USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 9-11, 2007 at pollingreport.com) |
I am reminded of a scene in Contact where Jodi Foster is confronted with her atheism and questioned if she would be the best representative for the human race because her belief differs from 95% of the rest of the planet. Contact had lots of interesting nuance to it.
Perhaps an atheist president simply wouldn't represent his/her country. I think the poll may just be a reflection of people wanting to be represented by "someone like themselves"...
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05/18/2007 02:54:51 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Perhaps an atheist president simply wouldn't represent his/her country. I think the poll may just be a reflection of people wanting to be represented by "someone like themselves"... |
I am not sure how to reconcile that suggestion with the high black/Jewish figures.
However, it is sad if true - that people in the modern era associate politics with religion so closely. It is as if that great triumph of secularist modernism, the separation of state and religion, is being slowly reversed.
Whatever next? The collapse of meritcracy, the establishment of ruling dynasties and the inheritance of power from father to son?
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05/18/2007 03:07:14 PM · #24 |
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05/18/2007 03:10:29 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Whatever next? The collapse of meritcracy, the establishment of ruling dynasties and the inheritance of power from father to son? |
We've already seen that last one. |
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