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05/05/2007 02:58:53 AM · #1
I Have a photojournalism assignment due for my media course, and I was hoping for some help/suggestions with what to do.

Using 3 photos, discuss the following statement:

"My ability to recognize 'an image' neither involves nor matches necessary inference towards (its) creator. It is rather an ability which presupposes competence within society, that is socially-constructed codes of recognition"

I was thinking of using Eugene W. Smith, any help is appreciated.
05/05/2007 03:42:15 AM · #2
Originally posted by Gareth S.:

"My ability to recognize 'an image' neither involves nor matches necessary inference towards (its) creator. It is rather an ability which presupposes competence within society, that is socially-constructed codes of recognition"

Do people actually speak like that??
05/05/2007 03:50:37 AM · #3
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Gareth S.:

"My ability to recognize 'an image' neither involves nor matches necessary inference towards (its) creator. It is rather an ability which presupposes competence within society, that is socially-constructed codes of recognition"

Do people actually speak like that??


Sesquipedalians do.
05/05/2007 03:52:15 AM · #4
Originally posted by Artyste:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Gareth S.:

"My ability to recognize 'an image' neither involves nor matches necessary inference towards (its) creator. It is rather an ability which presupposes competence within society, that is socially-constructed codes of recognition"

Do people actually speak like that??


Sesquipedalians do.

I heard they were just a myth - although many sightings have been recorded up here in the Pacific Northwest.

ETA: LOL - that was a good word...
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Message edited by author 2007-05-05 03:54:57.
05/05/2007 05:38:45 AM · #5
World Press photos
05/05/2007 07:44:32 AM · #6
Originally posted by Gareth S.:

"My ability to recognize 'an image' neither involves nor matches necessary inference towards (its) creator. It is rather an ability which presupposes competence within society, that is socially-constructed codes of recognition"


Sounds like a overly self important left wing professor trying to look smart to a bunch of skulls full of mush.

However if you want important images the three that come to mind first for me,

Nixon Kennedy Debate, changed politics in the USA forever.
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Man first walks on the moon.
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Bobby Kennedy shot,
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IMHO

Message edited by author 2007-05-05 07:44:56.
05/05/2007 08:53:36 AM · #7
MPRPRO, thanks for decent contribution. i know its not a normal post in the forum, but i thought this, the best place to find decent info on photojournalism

thanks again
05/05/2007 09:25:09 AM · #8
I'm a big Eugene Smith fan too, but for me, war photojournalism yields the most significant images. And the war in Vietnam gave us some images that are burned into our collective memory.

Here are a few

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Eddie Adams

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Nick Ut

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Slava Veder

It would very hard for me to pick the 3 most important images in all of photojournalism. Our history is too vast and complex.

Message edited by author 2007-05-05 11:52:26.
05/05/2007 09:30:45 AM · #9
Originally posted by MPRPRO:

Sounds like a overly self important left wing professor trying to look smart to a bunch of skulls full of mush.


While I agree with the rest of your statement, I don't think it's possible to infer the professor's political leanings from this one sentence.

There are plenty of overly self-important professors on both sides of the aisle. The political commentary seems rather gratuitous, and is irrelevant to the discussion in any case.

Thanks,
~Terry

Message edited by author 2007-05-05 10:46:32.
05/05/2007 10:33:26 AM · #10
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Gareth S.:

"My ability to recognize 'an image' neither involves nor matches necessary inference towards (its) creator. It is rather an ability which presupposes competence within society, that is socially-constructed codes of recognition"

Do people actually speak like that??


This is a kind of over the top example, but I will argue that there is a place for this kind of discourse; and that the language of many highly-specialized disciplines sounds silly outside of its natural habitat.

So while this is not a well-turned sentence, the verbosity itself is not inappropriate within the context of a discussion of media.

In terms of the assignment - it sounds like the "most important images" part came from you, not your professor; if so I would drop that requirement immediately, and look for three images that tell a story together; the three Vietnam shots are good, but what about a shot from WWII, one from Vietnam, and one from Iraq, and talk about the changing role of photojournalists in framing the public discourse on war (or whatever topic)? Or look at three photos of the same events from different sources (USA Today, The London Times, Al Jazeera). Do different sources frame differently (of course)?

Just some ideas.
05/05/2007 10:46:30 AM · #11
Might not be what you're looking for but IMO this is the greatest sports photo ever taken...

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05/05/2007 12:01:47 PM · #12
I always wondered who was holding the camera...

Man first walks on the moon.
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05/05/2007 12:28:33 PM · #13
I was looking at a book last night at the bookstore with "Time Life's 100 most important photographs" or something. There were several books with "Photographs that changed the world" theme. You could just stop in at the bookstore and thumb through a couple for ideas and inspiration.
05/05/2007 01:49:45 PM · #14
these are the three that come to mind when thinking of the most importat photojournalism photos..

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tiananmen square

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iwo jima

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migrant mother
05/05/2007 02:11:53 PM · #15
never trust the mass medis which are controll by the gov
05/05/2007 02:18:32 PM · #16
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The Eddie Adams shot is the first that springs to mind for me.
05/05/2007 09:13:21 PM · #17
The first picture that came to my mind was The Unknown Rebel of Tiananmen Square. I have several others, but I don't think I could get it down to a list of just three unless I absolutely had to.

Originally posted by jemison:

I always wondered who was holding the camera...

Man first walks on the moon.
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Armstrong---there are no pictures of Armstrong on the surface of the moon (outside of reflections on Aldrin's helmet).

Message edited by author 2007-05-05 23:35:29.
05/05/2007 09:31:26 PM · #18
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One from South Sudan?
05/10/2007 09:39:38 AM · #19
Thanks everyone for you help, really appreciate it. The photos you posted and the advice you gave really helped with my assignment.

As to Artyst and Art Roflmao. Your comments on the use of english was not only stupid, but just plain silly. The english used was the assignment verbatim. Also I haven't got much to say about American's use of the English language since I study that as well. I originally thought what you put up was mean, but when I saw pictures of what you look like, and how old you are, I kind of feel sorry for you now...
05/10/2007 09:49:08 AM · #20
Originally posted by Gareth S.:

Thanks everyone for you help, really appreciate it. The photos you posted and the advice you gave really helped with my assignment.

As to Artyst and Art Roflmao. Your comments on the use of english was not only stupid, but just plain silly. The english used was the assignment verbatim. Also I haven't got much to say about American's use of the English language since I study that as well. I originally thought what you put up was mean, but when I saw pictures of what you look like, and how old you are, I kind of feel sorry for you now...


Wow nice bigotry and hatred. They were mearly point out that it was worded in an overly verbose way. They were not attacking you since they could tell that you didn't say it.

For what it is worth The shot of Tienimen (sp?)square is the most stiring image my eyes have ever seen. It should be inthe top 3.

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 09:51:15.
05/10/2007 09:51:10 AM · #21
Originally posted by emorgan49:

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One from South Sudan?


That guy killed himself shortly after taking that.
05/10/2007 09:52:03 AM · #22
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by emorgan49:



One from South Sudan?


That guy killed himself shortly after taking that.


Yea lots of contraversy around him, the shot and his Pulitzer.
05/10/2007 09:56:24 AM · #23
Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by emorgan49:



One from South Sudan?


That guy killed himself shortly after taking that.


Yea lots of contraversy around him, the shot and his Pulitzer.


It might have been more related to all of his friends being killed in Apartheid fighting. BTW, I don't think that's a contemporary Darfur example, if anyone was thinking that.
05/10/2007 10:01:14 AM · #24
Originally posted by wavelength:


It might have been more related to all of his friends being killed in Apartheid fighting.


No one knows for sure but I always thought that it could have been guilt. Look at the child in the photo, no imagine he saw hundreds or even thousands of kids like that. He could not help them and then when he gets back home he is given the highest award in his field. For what, documenting the suffering of others and not helping them? That would torture me daily.

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 10:01:26.
05/10/2007 10:06:10 AM · #25
Originally posted by Elvis_L:


No one knows for sure but I always thought that it could have been guilt. Look at the child in the photo, no imagine he saw hundreds or even thousands of kids like that. He could not help them and then when he gets back home he is given the highest award in his field. For what, documenting the suffering of others and not helping them? That would torture me daily.


I think the perspective that he was under is this: how is one supposed to continue helping so many more by reporting on what is going on in the world if the reporter dies from malaria or some other nasty disease because he keeps intervening.

This one photo probably brought more help to all of the drought victims than any one act of kindness could have done. What if he had gotten sick and never delivered the film? Who knows, these questions are pretty tough and hindsight, contrary to popular belief, is not always 20/20 :/
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