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 04/30/2007 02:18:08 PM · #1
I just learned that my friend took her Nikon D50 to see Disney Princesses on Ice. They would not allow her to take her camera inside because it was a “professional” camera. My wife, however, was allowed to take and use her point and shoot digital camera. Now… being a firm believer in the “it’s the photographer, not the camera” philosophy, I found this position unfair. My friend is not even a camera hobbiest, much less a professional.

Seeing as DSLR’s are the fastest growing camera market (and entry level cameras at that), I hope Disney will rethink their position.

I just thought this was interesting and wanted to share.

04/30/2007 02:19:13 PM · #2
This happens every now and then. What were the parameters of search? Was there anyway you could have just bagged it or put it in a larg coat pocket?
 04/30/2007 02:25:58 PM · #3
Venues are private property and most restrict photography in some way, many do not allow SLR cameras. It's completely at their discretion. The ticket holder agrees to the policy as a condition of admission. The best idea is to call ahead and get the specifics.

Stories like this have been happening forever.

04/30/2007 02:26:47 PM · #4
That happens here (Columbus,GA) at most indoor events. The venue has a rule stating, no camera with exchangeable lens allowed. Point and shoot camera's with less than a 3x zoom only. The event can also apply further restrictions up to not allowing cameras or camera phones.

Message edited by author 2007-04-30 14:37:37.
 04/30/2007 02:27:35 PM · #5
Originally posted by swhiddon:
That happens here (Columbus,GA) at most indoor events. The venue has a rule stating, no camera with exchangeable lens allowed. Point and shoot camera's with less than a 3x zoom only. The even can also apply further restrictions up to not allowing cameras or camera phones.


3x zoom can barley get the detail of the head of the guy in front of you.

Then again if they made apoitn and shoot with a 100 to 200mm equiv lense its techincly a 2x no mater how much they argue!

Message edited by author 2007-04-30 14:28:07.
 04/30/2007 02:35:36 PM · #6
Maybe someone was just on a power trip... I have taken in my 20D into 'ElCapitan' theater in Hollywood a couple of times. First time I checked and not only do they allow 'STILL' cameras into the famous theater they more than ENCOURAGE it.

Don't know how many people have been to this theater or if they have even heard about it, but they show one movie at a time, have a huge balcony area, and display several of the props from the movie throughout the theater. While people are being seated their is an organist playing themes to everything Disney, and their is an mini-opening to the movie, where as the movie just doesn't start, there are fun theatrics and such.

Good time... but yeah... it might have been someone on a power trip, I would have checked with who ever has the authority round there. Take names and keep them to drop at will.
 04/30/2007 02:59:01 PM · #7
I used to be the Marketing Director for an outdoor drama and flash photography was not allowed. Notice it says ''flash photography'', not cameras. We did not however, allow movie cameras, because of copywrite laws on the production.
Anyway, the reason for the no camera thing is that most folks with the point and click type camera use a flash and when you add flash to a dancer or worse yet a skater, you are looking for disaster. A powerful flash administered in just the right way could possibly temporarily blind a dancer or skater and could mean a very serious accident or fall. That's what they are trying to avoid.
That's my 2¢ for what it's worth.
By the way, at the end of every production at my theatre, the flashes were hot and heavy, but at that point is was over and they were just getting shots of costumes.
Hope this helps.
 04/30/2007 03:12:21 PM · #8
Originally posted by Bosborne:
I used to be the Marketing Director for an outdoor drama and flash photography was not allowed. Notice it says ''flash photography'', not cameras. We did not however, allow movie cameras, because of copywrite laws on the production.
Anyway, the reason for the no camera thing is that most folks with the point and click type camera use a flash and when you add flash to a dancer or worse yet a skater, you are looking for disaster. A powerful flash administered in just the right way could possibly temporarily blind a dancer or skater and could mean a very serious accident or fall. That's what they are trying to avoid.
That's my 2¢ for what it's worth.
By the way, at the end of every production at my theatre, the flashes were hot and heavy, but at that point is was over and they were just getting shots of costumes.
Hope this helps.


In this case I'd imagine its just that Disney are facists. Ask American_Horse, I believe he works in the movie industry and he doesnt have too high an opinion of the House of Mouse.

Message edited by author 2007-04-30 15:12:58.
 04/30/2007 03:17:06 PM · #9
Originally posted by Simms:
In this case I'd imagine its just that Disney are facists. Ask American_Horse, I believe he works in the movie industry and he doesnt have too high an opinion of the House of Mouse.


I find that amazing. Post after post says that it's the norm, and yet you use the word "fascists."
 04/30/2007 03:19:54 PM · #10
Disneyland Japan if they tried stopping everyone with a DSLR there would be nobody left in the place.. I have been there many times and have NEVER been told to leave my camera.. the only time I have ever been told that was when we visited the Cambridge museum of art with benhur and hanae we are asked politely not to take pictures but were allowed to take our cameras inside, of cause we honoured their request.

seems silly to me that Disney USA can enforce such a stupid rule
 04/30/2007 03:20:40 PM · #11
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Simms:
In this case I'd imagine its just that Disney are facists. Ask American_Horse, I believe he works in the movie industry and he doesnt have too high an opinion of the House of Mouse.


I find that amazing. Post after post says that it's the norm, and yet you use the word "fascists."


Agreed, it's the norm. Disney is just a profit making business entitled to copyright like any other entity. Though it appears some would argue that if you're big and successful it's okay for people to sneak photo equipment into the venue of your performance and violate copyright! Is this the same site where people get ticked off at having their images "stolen" by bloggers?
 04/30/2007 03:27:25 PM · #12
Originally posted by MAK:
Disneyland Japan if they tried stopping everyone with a DSLR there would be nobody left in the place.. I have been there many times and have NEVER been told to leave my camera.. the only time I have ever been told that was when we visited the Cambridge museum of art with benhur and hanae we are asked politely not to take pictures but were allowed to take our cameras inside, of cause we honoured their request.

seems silly to me that Disney USA can enforce such a stupid rule


Disneyland is different than a Disney stage/ice production.

Museums restrict photography since flash can actually damage the exhibits.
 04/30/2007 03:29:36 PM · #13
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Simms:
In this case I'd imagine its just that Disney are facists. Ask American_Horse, I believe he works in the movie industry and he doesnt have too high an opinion of the House of Mouse.


I find that amazing. Post after post says that it's the norm, and yet you use the word "fascists."


Um, Disney is a bunch of fascist control freaks. I used to work for them. There's a reason why the Florida cast members refer to Disney World as "Mousewicz". I'm very glad to be out.
04/30/2007 03:31:46 PM · #14
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Simms:
In this case I'd imagine its just that Disney are facists. Ask American_Horse, I believe he works in the movie industry and he doesnt have too high an opinion of the House of Mouse.


I find that amazing. Post after post says that it's the norm, and yet you use the word "fascists."


Agreed, it's the norm. Disney is just a profit making business entitled to copyright like any other entity. Though it appears some would argue that if you're big and successful it's okay for people to sneak photo equipment into the venue of your performance and violate copyright! Is this the same site where people get ticked off at having their images "stolen" by bloggers?


The part that seems silly to me is not that they don't allow photography, it's that they don't allow photography with DSLRs. There are some really good point and shoots out there and some really crappy SLRs. Is this really a question of copyright? That's like saying people can download my images if they use Internet Explorer but NOT if they use Firefox.
 04/30/2007 03:32:56 PM · #15
Originally posted by Rebecca:
Um, Disney is a bunch of fascist control freaks. I used to work for them. There's a reason why the Florida cast members refer to Disney World as "Mousewicz". I'm very glad to be out.


That may well be. You're posting based on different experience. I was merely commenting on the post above.
 04/30/2007 03:33:16 PM · #16
This happened to me recently at a concert....Cameras were allowed,( no flash was the only specification)...I even emailed the arena describing fully what I was bringing...(my D50 and I had a 80-300lens and a 35-70) I was told the only restriction was Flash).

I walked in with my whole camera bag, both lenses,etc. was never searched or anything.... Then I about 1/3 of the way through the concert the most obnoxious security guard came up and was yelling at me for having a professional camera. Funny, even the artist questioned through the mic "you can take pictures, right? cuz you're supposed to be able...that lady over her is getting some s*%t"

So I simply changed lens. Now I only wish my pictures 'looked' professional... :-D

I made a formal complaint to the arena manager. I was not breaking any rule that I knew....I even was able to forward my emails verifying my questions.
 04/30/2007 03:38:27 PM · #17
Originally posted by Megatherian:
The part that seems silly to me is not that they don't allow photography, it's that they don't allow photography with DSLRs. There are some really good point and shoots out there and some really crappy SLRs. Is this really a question of copyright? That's like saying people can download my images if they use Internet Explorer but NOT if they use Firefox.


You'll get my agreement on that. But they are allowed to be as silly as they want, in my opinion. If they think that limiting "cameras with interchangeable lenses" (as I recently came across for some venue in Austin, TX) will protect their interests best then why argue with them? If you want "souvenir" photos bring a point-and-shoot. If you want pro-quality shots...buy them or get permission. (BTW, I think you've got the IE/Firefox thing backwards. ;-P)

edit 'cause i can't read

Message edited by author 2007-04-30 15:39:36.
 04/30/2007 03:42:27 PM · #18
Last weekend I was in Hawaii for The Kokua Festival, which was headlined by Jack Johnson and Eddie Vedder. Originally I was told that a press pass would be waiting for me, but found out a few days before the show there was a SNAFU and it wasn't to be. The same rules applied 'no professional cameras'. Long story short, Shecoya wrapped my gear in a towel and put it in her beach bag. It was searched at the door, but she sweet-talked the guard into letting her in with it (somehow I don't think my eyelashes would have worked as well).

At the end of the day I ended up getting some cool pictures, and the media company has asked for copies. Not sure if I'm going to give them up or not yet. I may hold out for a press pass for next year's show as Ransom. :D

04/30/2007 04:03:49 PM · #19
Originally posted by Pedro:
Long story short, Shecoya wrapped my gear in a towel and put it in her beach bag. It was searched at the door, but she sweet-talked the guard into letting her in with it (somehow I don't think my eyelashes would have worked as well).


I would do anything for a smile or a funny face from her too. :)


04/30/2007 04:05:05 PM · #20
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by Pedro:
Long story short, Shecoya wrapped my gear in a towel and put it in her beach bag. It was searched at the door, but she sweet-talked the guard into letting her in with it (somehow I don't think my eyelashes would have worked as well).


I would do anything for a smile or a funny face from her too. :)


Anything but the Philos worldmap treatment....


04/30/2007 05:22:31 PM · #21
Originally posted by Azrifel:


Anything but the Philos worldmap treatment....


that's too bad. You know I'd offer my scalp-sculpting services any time. Maybe if we did something a little less drastic...like maybe just a road map of holland?
 04/30/2007 05:35:37 PM · #22
Well let's be reasonable. Anytime you go into a commercial business, private property or event the owners or producers have every right to make up any rules they desire. If they decide that red shirts are not allowed then it's their right to so judge. They do have every right to do whatever they feel they need to do to protect the advertisement and copyright of their show or production. Remember the restriction of "no shirt, no shoes, no service". Unless it's in public and they do not have the reasonable expectation of privacy they are within their rights. I for one have three camera, a 20D and a 5D with "L" zoom lenses as well as a small pocket sized P&S that has panaramic capability built-in as well as 8.0 Mp capability. If you want to shoot for "personal" use and in no way commercial I suggest you get a high quality P&S. As a photog I like to think I have a right to go anywhere with my 5D and white lenses but in reality I have no right on private property.
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I does amaze me still on how a 5D with a big white lens will open the door to get into places others cannot go. For the San Antonio Fiesta Battle of Flowers Parade it was easy to walk the road and actually get right in the parade to get photos. No one questioned me because the camera looked professional. It can go both ways.
Just smile and accept it, in other places and times you will have better priviledges that others. Best of Luck!
 04/30/2007 05:44:45 PM · #23
I had the same thing at the "Tattoo Spectacular" here in Perth last weekend. I was merrily taking photos until the 3rd last act, for the first half I was in my seat, during the second half I was on the concourse behind my block. A few security folks wandered past while I was standing there but just before the end of the 3rd last act I felt a gentle squeeze on my arm, looked and there was a security guy who said, "You're not allowed to take pictures with anything that even looks like a professional camera." So I said "Oh, OK" and packed it away, inwardly grinning that I was ahead of the game with 4.5 gig of photos already taken.

Unfortunately the shots didn't come out all that well anyway, had to go ISO 800 because it was so dark. But it was an excellent night.
 04/30/2007 05:57:33 PM · #24
And remember, it's a compliment in a way.
 04/30/2007 06:54:42 PM · #25
Originally posted by Megatherian:


The part that seems silly to me is not that they don't allow photography, it's that they don't allow photography with DSLRs. There are some really good point and shoots out there and some really crappy SLRs. Is this really a question of copyright? That's like saying people can download my images if they use Internet Explorer but NOT if they use Firefox.


It's their party. They make the rules.
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