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04/25/2007 08:44:07 AM · #1
Is it me, or shouldn't we be focusing the landscape challenges to land? I understand that the term landscape is loose, but I think it would be a much more interesting challenge to have the photos maintain at least 50% land (limits # of photos with mostly just clouds in a blue sky) and no water.

Suggestion: Create a separate challenges for seascapes / waterscapes / skyscapes/cityscapes/etc.

04/25/2007 08:45:27 AM · #2
... because our earth is 2/3 water? Really "landscape" in photography terms tends to refer to anything outside.
04/25/2007 08:49:10 AM · #3
so what do you call an island? it's all the same.

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04/25/2007 08:54:26 AM · #4
It was more of a suggestion to create a more specific challenge in the future.
04/25/2007 09:21:51 AM · #5
'cuz water looks nice!
04/25/2007 09:37:30 AM · #6
what terje said...
04/25/2007 09:41:52 AM · #7
I was a bit fearful of using a bunch of Lake Erie shots that i took. I wasn't sure if more people would be looking for LITERAL "land". The thing is, much of our landscape is taken over by unsightly human intervention … oops, did i say that? The water is still a bit sacred since it is more "virginal" so to speak. IMO of course
04/25/2007 09:59:10 AM · #8
I agree there is a difference between seascapes and landscapes....but all the images in the top 10 at least are landscapes, just with some water in them. I don't think any of them crossed the line...
04/25/2007 10:14:51 AM · #9
Websters defines it as: 1 a : a picture representing a view of natural inland scenery b : the art of depicting such scenery. So they should be primarily land, and not water, but the clouds thing I don't think goes beyond that. Combined with the land subjects, they complement each other and make up "inland scenery" as well.
04/25/2007 10:30:39 AM · #10
I am not sure it matters.
Vote according to your beliefs in what a landscape should be.
Simple really.
If you try and be too prescriptive, it gets kinda dull.
Interpretation is a wonderful thing that adds creativity.
Rob
04/25/2007 11:56:08 AM · #11
Originally posted by grbrya:

It was more of a suggestion to create a more specific challenge in the future.


No need. Landscapes include anything on earth practically. If we limited it to seascapes, what would ollie and lena do in Iowa? ;-)
04/25/2007 12:17:49 PM · #12
Originally posted by grbrya:

Is it me, or shouldn't we be focusing the landscape challenges to land? I understand that the term landscape is loose, but I think it would be a much more interesting challenge to have the photos maintain at least 50% land (limits # of photos with mostly just clouds in a blue sky) and no water.

Suggestion: Create a separate challenges for seascapes / waterscapes / skyscapes/cityscapes/etc.

Landscape is generally described as an expanse of scenery or natural scenery. There are not limits set on what that expanse of scenery might be. Seascapes are a classic form of landscape photography.

I read somewhere where a photographer said that the more landscape pictures he takes, the broader his definition of landscape becomes. You might want to go out and take more landscape pictures. ;)
04/25/2007 12:41:41 PM · #13
So many subcategories reside under photographic term of "landscape." If it's a matter of symantics, would the challenge title "Earthscape" suit you better?

We can get lost in the art of categories and naming them. Personally, I'd rather spend my time getting lost in any kind of well executed "___scape" by many of the wonderful photogs on this site.

Of course, if I'm going to get lost I would love Mr. Davidson to be my personal guide.

04/25/2007 01:01:38 PM · #14
And why do you think so many are shying away from entering challenges anymore. If a subject is even slightly subjective, there are those that take great pride in finding fault in the words, enough to generate lengthy threads to nit pick the words, the order of the words and foul the mood and zest in a challenge. Entering challenges shouldn't be about consulting with legal representation to determine if someone can find fault in it meeting a challenge.

I want my DPC back. The DPC that once was, 1-2 years ago, when folks used to have fun and have a laid back attitude, not pull out a laser level and measure a horizon or get set of vernier calipers and measure if something is actually aligned right, or sample a section of black in an image to see if it really is black or just a really dark gray.

I'm glad I live in an imperfect world.
04/25/2007 01:12:20 PM · #15
Alternatively, rename it "land and seascapes."

Seems a shame to disallow perfectly nice water shots based on semantics.
04/25/2007 01:36:10 PM · #16
I got into a few arguments over this very thing during/after the challenge. IT DOES MATTER, if the challenge is Ducks and I shoot a Hummingbird, give me a DNMC. If there were no differnce in a landscape and a seascape then there would not be different galleries here on DPC for these scenes.

However beautiful the seascapes in the Landscape challenge were, (I even added a few as favorites), they DMNC. Also, if they were DQ'ed from the challenge or voted low, then other landscapes which deserved higher scores would have placed higher.

A landscape is a scape (def. a scene; a view) that has Land (def. the solid ground of the earth).

A seascape is a scape (def. a scene; a view) that has Sea (def. a tract of water).


A little history on the word "Landscape", it was first recorded in 1598, was borrowed as a painters' term from the Dutch during the 16th century, when Dutch artists were pioneering the landscape genre. The Dutch word landschap had earlier meant simply “region, tract of land” but had acquired the artistic sense, which it brought over into English, of “a picture depicting scenery on land."

04/25/2007 01:39:58 PM · #17
Originally posted by Brad:

And why do you think so many are shying away from entering challenges anymore. If a subject is even slightly subjective, there are those that take great pride in finding fault in the words, enough to generate lengthy threads to nit pick the words, the order of the words and foul the mood and zest in a challenge. Entering challenges shouldn't be about consulting with legal representation to determine if someone can find fault in it meeting a challenge.

I want my DPC back. The DPC that once was, 1-2 years ago, when folks used to have fun and have a laid back attitude, not pull out a laser level and measure a horizon or get set of vernier calipers and measure if something is actually aligned right, or sample a section of black in an image to see if it really is black or just a really dark gray.

I'm glad I live in an imperfect world.

Amen, brother Brad.

I've been so uninsipred lately that I'd rather NOT submit anything to keep from risking DNMC and other such 'helpful' comments.
04/25/2007 01:40:41 PM · #18
Originally posted by aerogurl:

I got into a few arguments over this very thing during/after the challenge. IT DOES MATTER, if the challenge is Ducks and I shoot a Hummingbird, give me a DNMC. If there were no differnce in a landscape and a seascape then there would not be different galleries here on DPC for these scenes.

However beautiful the seascapes in the Landscape challenge were, (I even added a few as favorites), they DMNC. Also, if they were DQ'ed from the challenge or voted low, then other landscapes which deserved higher scores would have placed higher.

A landscape is a scape (def. a scene; a view) that has Land (def. the solid ground of the earth).

A seascape is a scape (def. a scene; a view) that has Sea (def. a tract of water).


A little history on the word "Landscape", it was first recorded in 1598, was borrowed as a painters' term from the Dutch during the 16th century, when Dutch artists were pioneering the landscape genre. The Dutch word landschap had earlier meant simply “region, tract of land” but had acquired the artistic sense, which it brought over into English, of “a picture depicting scenery on land."


You read wikipedia too?

Arguing semantics instead of appreciating the image is LAME and IMNSHO is a huge waste of time. When you look to semantics you miss the image. Sad really.

ETA: Preach on Brother Brad!

Message edited by author 2007-04-25 13:41:15.
04/25/2007 01:43:55 PM · #19
What about Landscape ORIENTATION?

Would you vote a Seascape in Landscape orientation different than a Landscape in Portrait orientation?
04/25/2007 01:49:12 PM · #20
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Arguing semantics instead of appreciating the image is LAME and IMNSHO is a huge waste of time. When you look to semantics you miss the image. Sad really.

Well, at times it can be "Sad" when images are shoehorned into a challenge (not that that is the case specifically here).

Everyone has their own opinion on what does and does not meet the challenge, and should be encouraged to vote accordingly.

From the Voting Guidelines:
- keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.
- consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.

So, to Dana (' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' aerogurl), I say stick by your own convictions - you're entitled to them (as are others that have posted here as well).

Smile and keep having fun (or try to start anyway)! :D
04/25/2007 01:50:14 PM · #21
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:



You read wikipedia too?

Arguing semantics instead of appreciating the image is LAME and IMNSHO is a huge waste of time. When you look to semantics you miss the image. Sad really.

ETA: Preach on Brother Brad!


With all due respect, I am not arguing semantics, the word means what the word means.
04/25/2007 01:53:44 PM · #22
Originally posted by aerogurl:

I got into a few arguments over this very thing during/after the challenge. IT DOES MATTER, if the challenge is Ducks and I shoot a Hummingbird, give me a DNMC. If there were no differnce in a landscape and a seascape then there would not be different galleries here on DPC for these scenes.


You clearly have a right to your opinion, but it's just plain wrong!
04/25/2007 01:53:58 PM · #23
I think of seascapes as being a more specific subcatagory within the greater catagory of landscapes.
04/25/2007 01:54:04 PM · #24
I'm ignoring this thread before I get myself all worked up.
04/25/2007 01:56:17 PM · #25
Originally posted by aerogurl:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:



You read wikipedia too?

Arguing semantics instead of appreciating the image is LAME and IMNSHO is a huge waste of time. When you look to semantics you miss the image. Sad really.

ETA: Preach on Brother Brad!


With all due respect, I am not arguing semantics, the word means what the word means.


What does the word "word" mean? And while we are at it what is the definition of "is"? And who decides it? Wiki, you, Websters? Plus not to mention that you are looking at this as an American. What about those "Other Folks" on this site.

My point is that people are so quick to look to the negative and by arguing what "I believe to be semantics" is you miss the art and the opportunity to enjoy, shoehorn or not. But as Dad said you are entitled to your opinion just as I am mine.

And that's the word!


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