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04/23/2007 04:09:13 PM · #126
Originally posted by mk:

<my sarcasm does not have an off button>

:D
04/23/2007 04:13:06 PM · #127
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:

... I need the thumbnails to vote for uni-safe pics.. I mean there is a limit to how many times I can explain off the half naked guy on my screen to passing by teachers [We have a no tolerance for pornography policy.. for most people naked people are porn] and this has happened to me twice!! and only guys show up on screen.. what are the chances!!] Since I normally vote mostly in uni I try to remember to keep checking the thumbnails...try being the keyword here. If I'm not sure what surprise is waiting for me on the other side I ain't voting..

I ran into this recently myself voting a current challenge (made a note of it in the related scores thread). Usually what works for me when I'm going to vote on a challenge is to scan the thumbnails at home (forgot to do that with the above mentioned scenario) and vote those images I can't pull up at work.

This is exactly what I did for the "Chains" challenge.

And it isn't so much "screwing off at work" as it is taking a smoke break without having to go out in the rain and inhale carcinogens. DPC is just as addictive, though.
04/23/2007 04:16:22 PM · #128
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by klstover:

Well right! In my opinion it is possible to at the same time recognize a whiterook shot and also feel, fairly, that it deserves a high score. What I really am talking about is the people who want to give 10s to "mess up the brown ribbon attempt".

edit for clarity.


"messing up a brown ribbon attempt" is a reaction to a photo, not a person... besides, just how Big Brotherish do you want this place to be?


Oh believe me, I'm not for this site becoming Big Brotherish. What I was looking for wasn't any addition to the monitoring policies, just some sort of statement from an SC member that addressed it; as far as I know, there hasn't been one yet.

I don't know if it is totally or always a reaction to the photo, though. I'm not sure that people would vote 10s if they felt that the person was just not knowing how to use their camera; it seems more likely that they would vote 1s. I don't think it's a problem for people to try for the brown once in a while but to make that your goal on the site across most if not all challenges, it does get into the area (or at least, I think that it does) of people taking that into consideration when voting.

edit: Really I personally don't view this any different from "oh, this photographer was obviously trying to win a ribbon. The shot is really good. I'm going to mess up their ribbon attempt by giving a 1". I think most if not all people would agree that this is bad.

It's the same sort of intention, just opposite implementation. (And the reason I wouldn't want SC to monitor the "messing up a brown ribbon attempt" is the same reason that I think "troll votes" shouldn't be freaked out about - we can say and recognize that it's bad but not go on a witch-hunt for people who do it.)

(Again, I am NOT talking about people who truly do think that the picture deserves a high score for uniqueness, creativity, making people think, etc.)

Message edited by author 2007-04-23 16:22:26.
04/23/2007 04:20:03 PM · #129
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:



2. Do not allow voters to view thumbnails before voting on a photo. This would eliminate selective voting and also place more votes in the system when a voter chooses to vote selectively.


I kinda like this one. Maybe we should mull this one over a bit.
That would eliminate the thumbnail cherry picking that I know goes on.
I've found many, many, images that are 8 in my eyes that looked like crap as a thumbnail. Not coincidently my best two scoring images look fairly good as thumbs. Wonder what affect this would have on voting? There seem to be a fair number of entrants who don't vote at all. Maybe we need to have a trial of this idea. Maybe we need a sitewide poll!!! heheheh


You know I hear about this cherry picking as if it's a bad thing. Can someone exactly explain why it's a bad thing? What is the difference between voting on 20% that is random vs 20% that you "cherry picked"?


I don't have your answer. My first eliminations starts with scanning all of the entrants' photos as thumbnails. Long ago I also kept in mind that my photos look good as thumbnails, seems to be a criteria. IMHO I vote to select the best out of all submissions. Isn't that what judges do?!!

I make sure ALL of the ones that qualify to be in the top 15 get my apropriate vote. The rest get a 4 or lower. Yes I do agree that if I voted on all, some would get a range of 2-5 instead on no-vote.

I thought we voters are to find the top 3, not by chance, but by comparing each one to ALL the rest.
04/23/2007 04:20:55 PM · #130
I donít see a problem having the thumbnail page. However I feel the following should apply.
1. You can view all thumbs but if you click on one it will allow you the option of only commenting. You cannot vote on that picture until you get to it by voting your beginning assigned vote-starting point.
2. To keep people from using the >> option to get to the photographs they want to vote on have it where the >> will log a no vote and you will not be able to go back and vote on a skipped image unless you have voted on the complete challenge.

Message edited by author 2007-04-23 16:21:30.
04/23/2007 05:19:39 PM · #131
I hope the monitoring software does not track of analyze or record surfing behavior of the members on the DPC site. This will be too much and an intrusion to personal preferences and privacy.
04/23/2007 05:24:47 PM · #132
Originally posted by TIHadi:

I hope the monitoring software does not track of analyze or record surfing behavior of the members on the DPC site. This will be too much and an intrusion to personal preferences and privacy.

DPChallenge Privacy Statement, agreed to when you signed up. :)

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04/23/2007 05:32:47 PM · #133
Originally posted by mk:

<my sarcasm does not have an off button>

LMAO! Oh if only I could claim to have spewed coffee/soda/yogurt on my screen! mk, I love you. And your sarcasm. <sigh>
04/23/2007 05:34:33 PM · #134
Originally posted by justamistere:

I make sure ALL of the ones that qualify to be in the top 15 get my apropriate vote. The rest get a 4 or lower. Yes I do agree that if I voted on all, some would get a range of 2-5 instead on no-vote.


Of the hundreds and hundreds of posts I've read on DPC, this one wins for most making my jaw drop. Maybe I misunderstood.

You find the 15 best images and then give everything else a 4 or lower? You don't give each image the vote it deserves? So if something is, in your opinion, the 20th best shot in a field of 500, it still gets a 4?
04/23/2007 05:36:26 PM · #135
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by TIHadi:

I hope the monitoring software does not track of analyze or record surfing behavior of the members on the DPC site. This will be too much and an intrusion to personal preferences and privacy.

DPChallenge Privacy Statement, agreed to when you signed up. :)

DPChallenge.com Internet Privacy Statement


Surfing behavior is not my email, it's how long and how many time one looks at nude photos for example, and their sex preference, or any other subject; whom of the photographers they keep on visiting back and examining their profile. The speed and time they do their voting in. monitoring someone preferred subjects which allows for personality analysis Ö that sort of things. I do not think I agreed to that, have you!?

04/23/2007 05:48:54 PM · #136
Its nothing like that. The only thing it records is votes cast and votes received.
04/23/2007 05:49:25 PM · #137
Originally posted by TIHadi:

I hope the monitoring software does not track of analyze or record surfing behavior of the members on the DPC site. This will be too much and an intrusion to personal preferences and privacy.


It does not, not at all. That's a totally different thing.
04/23/2007 05:52:22 PM · #138
Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by TIHadi:

I hope the monitoring software does not track of analyze or record surfing behavior of the members on the DPC site. This will be too much and an intrusion to personal preferences and privacy.


It does not, not at all. That's a totally different thing.

Not a thing we actually do, just to clarify :P
04/23/2007 05:53:17 PM · #139
Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by TIHadi:

I hope the monitoring software does not track of analyze or record surfing behavior of the members on the DPC site. This will be too much and an intrusion to personal preferences and privacy.


It does not, not at all. That's a totally different thing.

Not a thing we actually do, just to clarify :P


Right :)
04/23/2007 05:58:08 PM · #140
LOL.

TLHadi, you've got two SC members so eager to tell you not to worry that they're tripping over themselves. :)

It's okay, Ursula and Ben. We get it. You're saying you only watch us surf when you feel like it and you share that info ONLY when bribed sufficiently.

So - has my check cleared yet? 'Cuz there's some stuff I REALLY want to know.
04/23/2007 05:59:03 PM · #141
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04/23/2007 05:59:34 PM · #142
Originally posted by TIHadi:

... I do not think I agreed to that, have you!?

Nope, neither one of us have. My bad. Time for me to take that speed reading class, or slow down! :P
04/23/2007 06:00:04 PM · #143
Originally posted by levyj413:

LOL.

TLHadi, you've got two SC members so eager to tell you not to worry that they're tripping over themselves. :)

It's okay, Ursula and Ben. We get it. You're saying you only watch us surf when you feel like it and you share that info ONLY when bribed sufficiently.

So - has my check cleared yet? 'Cuz there's some stuff I REALLY want to know.


Man, Jeffrey, you're going to worry Tareq way too much :)

04/23/2007 06:00:24 PM · #144
Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by justamistere:

I make sure ALL of the ones that qualify to be in the top 15 get my apropriate vote. The rest get a 4 or lower. Yes I do agree that if I voted on all, some would get a range of 2-5 instead on no-vote.


Of the hundreds and hundreds of posts I've read on DPC, this one wins for most making my jaw drop. Maybe I misunderstood.

You find the 15 best images and then give everything else a 4 or lower? You don't give each image the vote it deserves? So if something is, in your opinion, the 20th best shot in a field of 500, it still gets a 4?


Seems strange to me too. It does partly explain how otherwise high scoring entries get some low scores.
04/23/2007 06:05:22 PM · #145
Is this the new DPC?

1-Arbitrarily implement "new tools" that define and punish voters without previous warning, discussion or input from the group.

2-Apply those punishments retroactively.

3-Send out-of-the-blue emails to voters informing them that they are now defined as cheaters and passing out suspensions and other punishments; again without discussion, input or warning.

4-Threaten DPC users that if they don't shape up then tougher penalties await them.

5-Create other "new tools" later on without warning or discussion to further identify and punish DPCers for various yet undefined infractions and apply them retroactively as well.

Message edited by author 2007-04-23 18:06:47.
04/23/2007 06:09:05 PM · #146
I think you're being unduly harsh here, Steve. It's been in the site rules all along:

You may not:
* offer or cast biased votes for any other user.
* attempt to alter the point totals for any entry in any way.

We will:
* use automatic and manual methods to actively monitor voting patterns for abuse.
* disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way.


Edited down to relevant passages, of course.
04/23/2007 06:12:57 PM · #147
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Is this the new DPC?

<treading careful to not step on toes>Last I heard, DPC is not a democracy. It's Langdon's site and he can do what he likes. Many times we get a say. Sometimes we don't.</treading>
04/23/2007 06:21:12 PM · #148
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Is this the new DPC?...


I for one welcome our new rule upholding masters.
04/23/2007 06:26:09 PM · #149
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Is this the new DPC?

1-Arbitrarily implement "new tools" that define and punish voters without previous warning, discussion or input from the group.

2-Apply those punishments retroactively.

3-Send out-of-the-blue emails to voters informing them that they are now defined as cheaters and passing out suspensions and other punishments; again without discussion, input or warning.

4-Threaten DPC users that if they don't shape up then tougher penalties await them.

5-Create other "new tools" later on without warning or discussion to further identify and punish DPCers for various yet undefined infractions and apply them retroactively as well.


Just to answer a bit,

1 - Arbitrarily is a bit strong IMO. And as for warnings, we've tried to get it out in public before that voting is supposed to be fair as much as possible, and that if someone can't vote fair on some images, maybe it's best they don't vote on those images. We've also said at least a few times that sharing images and working together is fine - it is consistently giving those images scores that are substantially higher than the rest of your scoring that is not fine.

2 - A big part of what we did yesterday was to warn individuals. Others had been warned before. So it's not all just retroactive.

3 - Nobody was informed that they are now defined as cheaters, and we make every effort to keep the identities of the affected people private, secret. We did that even in the Rikki case. As for discussion, at least at the SC level there has been a tremendous amount of discussion. Public discussion on specifics is not really practical I think.

4 - Yeah, well, threatening is ugly. I hope people vote fairly in the future. Threaten, boy, I don't know. On the one hand, yes, it's not nice, but on the other hand, what are you going to do as SC? Say, OK, here, we're warning you that we know you are doing this, but if you continue to do it, it's allright.

5 - I hope not :)

Plus, if I wanted to be a smart-ass here, I'd say that the punishments aren't applied retroactively, they are applied going forward :) (And I hope I'm right about the definition of retroactive, otherwise my attempt at being a smart-ass will be foiled.)

Message edited by author 2007-04-23 18:34:25.
04/23/2007 06:32:50 PM · #150
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Is this the new DPC?

1-Arbitrarily implement "new tools" that define and punish voters without previous warning, discussion or input from the group.

2-Apply those punishments retroactively.

3-Send out-of-the-blue emails to voters informing them that they are now defined as cheaters and passing out suspensions and other punishments; again without discussion, input or warning.

4-Threaten DPC users that if they don't shape up then tougher penalties await them.

5-Create other "new tools" later on without warning or discussion to further identify and punish DPCers for various yet undefined infractions and apply them retroactively as well.


Hi Steve,

The only difference between before and now is automation. In addition, there have been several threads dealing with previous instances of friend voting (Rikki, WPL) and each of those threads contained warnings that monitoring was occurring and that there would be consequences for continued friend voting.

Not only that, but in this instance the penalties ranged from simply warnings to more than that, depending on the level of severity of the infraction.

Hope this helps,

L2


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