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12/05/2003 12:50:38 PM · #26
I don't mind the comments that say my picture sucks, as long as there is some justification as to WHY they think it sucks. The ones that really piss me off are the lame ones, like the one I just got from some ^$%#@$#& whose comment consisted entirely of three words.

Edited to protect the stupid ^$%#@$#&

Message edited by author 2003-12-05 13:09:50.
12/05/2003 01:32:51 PM · #27
Originally posted by joebar:

Yeah, I'd say your 4 ribbons out of only 11 challenges is pretty godly.. heh


And your three in thirteen ain't to shabby either joebar. Were you here when they changed the way voting is done, from comments being anonymous during voting to the present system? Can you tell us any more about the arguments for and against the change?
12/05/2003 04:55:24 PM · #28
I think the main reason is it seemed ineffective in protecting anonymity since identities were revealed as soon as the voting was done, and people were frustrated not being able to respond to a commenter's question. If anyone uses the PM system to "sway votes" or in an abusive way, then report them for TOS violation, but I think the more communication we have about the photos the better.

The only advantage I see to the old way is the pleasurable(?) surprises you get when you read the comments associated with the name: username said THAT?!
12/06/2003 12:04:20 AM · #29
Well I comply with most comments made here but I still see no reason for comments not being anonymous while voting is going on. Where else do you see comments while voting????

Just my 2 cents.


12/06/2003 09:41:47 AM · #30
Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by KarenB:

The site started out as anonymous comments... until after the challenge was over.


What was the reason that changed to the present system?



I think it was because the voter was revealed after the challenge anyway.

Lots of discussion surrounded this, some of which was that non-anonymous voting would lead to people emailing/PM'ing the voter while voting was still going on, hence possibly revealing their entry - which is of course against the spirit of the "game"... That this could lead to 'vote swaying'...if they explained themselves, the voter might change their mind.

I personally haven't seen or heard of any 'vote swaying' going on.

The rant forums were filled with "Why are there comments about my photo.. blah blah blah"...not that there aren't any like that now, but it is markedly less since non-anonymous voting began, believe it or not.


12/06/2003 10:25:40 AM · #31
i was here in the before-time, and i preferred anonymous comments.

back then, the people who WANTED to be identified just put their name in their comment and that was that. everyone else was anonymous until the end of the challenge.

i understand what is being said about "vote swaying," and i don't think that it intentionally very rampant. but as soon as a photog emails a commenter and starts discussing their picture DURING THE CHALLENGE, the anonimity (is that a word?) is gone and the commenter could theoretically adjust their vote on a shot while knowing who shot it -- whether or not the PM implored them to do so.

that all being said, i don't care which way it works. i do prefer anonymous comments, but it could go either way. i've found that the PMs i DO get are mostly from people who are way too emotionally attached to their images to be putting them up for global critique anyway.

besides, i wouldn't say i leave "nasty" comments. some of them might be "curt" (and i do get PMs about those), but if they don't want to hear negative comments along with positive ones, they shouldn't be on this site.
12/06/2003 10:38:02 AM · #32
another idea - would be to -after the challenge - review the comments received and remove those you find rude, nasty, unhelpful, or just dont want under your photo.

i think the majority of folks here are here to help - so being able to remove those poor comments would discourage those who make them possibly because they wont be forever listed on a given photo


also most forums/communities i am a member of do offer an option to flag a given user and block any communication from them.

soup

02/04/2004 01:51:03 PM · #33
Originally posted by TooCool:

Hmmmm....I must be missing something because I've made 452 comments to date and have not started one argument... Maybe no one reads them?


we read 'em but just blow you off ;-) just kidding. I haven't read a post from you that I'd consider rude. I have read some from others [including myself] that on second thought would probably be rude, but online anything can seem offensive, esp when you consider you can't HEAR tone or sarcasm.
02/04/2004 01:54:09 PM · #34
Originally posted by jonpink:

Come on! Freedom of speech!

Pussyfooting around with less harsh comments on a bad photo is probably more damaging to the photographer as opposed to being honest and saying 'this sucks'


strongly disagree....everyone might want to re-read what freedom of speech is. .. and realize that there's really no such thing anymore since the charter or rights and freedoms is the new Bible.
02/04/2004 01:58:43 PM · #35
When we look at percentages, what kind of percentages are we talking for number of angry PMs in response to comments, and cruel comments compared to helpful comments? Are they extremely high percentages? If you leave 200 comments and get one nasty message back, does that merit changing the system? I think it's easy to overlook that the majority is good when we get a flaming PM, but let's not.
02/04/2004 01:58:57 PM · #36
I never give bad comments....I would hate to make anyone feel bad! So I just give out good comments and leave the rest alone. If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything....right

Melissa
02/04/2004 02:04:17 PM · #37
I think anonymity would be a bad thing - for one, with comments that annoy me , that seem a bit stupid or blunt, I can check out the poster and decide how much weight to give her/his opinions. Secondly, there's nothing quite like the pleasure of getting a good (or the helpfulness of getting a bad) comment from one of your favourites or one of the site geniuses (not necessarily the same thing).

Anonymity until the contest closes seems pointless to me.

Another thing to consider: I've never had a comment that in the remotest annoyed me (even a 'too dark'), from one of this sites most respected photographers - I mean folks of the order of JJ, David Sidwell, Setz, Kiwi etc.

Ed
02/04/2004 02:06:10 PM · #38
[Soap box]
I don't have a problem being identified from my comments, but I think having a flag on submissions saying 'Accept Terse Comments' would reduce the number of upset people. It would save a lot of time I think if we gave terser comments to those that just need a word or two, and longer comments at those that consider terse comments rude.

Thank you. :-)
[/Soap box]
02/04/2004 02:09:00 PM · #39
Oh, and of course we should not forget that there are a number of people here who are not native English speakers, and others who are very young: it's entirely possible that their words are not read as intended; or alternatively, their critical facility is not developed.

Ed
02/04/2004 02:12:40 PM · #40
I donno... sometimes I preceive a shot to be one way & leave a comment & then I get PM explaining my misconception & that helps me understand the shot better. Now, I know what people are going to say.. the picture should tell the story & be obvious & if it isn;t then the fotog didnt do such a good job. But let's remember that this is an international site & we all can have tunnel vision when it comes to most things. Somethings are just beyond the realm of understanding, at least without some explanation. I prefer to know who is leaving comments on my shots & for others to know when I am leaving comments. This way if I am wrong about my perception I can hear about it before it's too late to do anything to correct it.
Another example is, with the rule changes & all, that folks believe that there are some things done in the digital darkroom when they are not. Unless I know who has left a comment that is incorrect, I cnanot address it if I don't know who left the message. Not everyone PM's after a comment is made to get the person to change the vote. Afterall, how many of us actually do this? Some people respond while others don't. I say leave things the way they are & if you get a comment or a reply that you don't like, then change your practices accordingly. Why impose change on everyone bc of something you experienced? Everyone has the right to change the way they do things but should we all have to make that change s well?
02/04/2004 02:57:05 PM · #41
I personnally prefer to think that people who comment on my pictures assume themself and dont hide behind anonymus!
02/04/2004 04:18:38 PM · #42
Originally posted by melking23:

I never give bad comments....I would hate to make anyone feel bad! So I just give out good comments and leave the rest alone. If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything....right

Melissa

You catch a ride with someone (maybe a cab), and the driver is eating, on the phone with his bookie, and weaving all over the road while enjoying a Bud (of either variety). I don't think I'd have anything nice to say, but I don't think I'd remain wholly silent either ....

They say you learn from your mistakes. How the heck are you supposed to know it's a mistake if no one tells you?

Que Tacit Consentis (Who is silent, consents -- from the California voter registration form).
02/04/2004 04:29:05 PM · #43
Why not have a button to reveal or hide your identity until the voting stage is over on the commentators side?

Up to the commentator to reveal or not.
02/04/2004 04:30:25 PM · #44
I'm 100% for the anonymous comments. If you want to be known, leave your name. The other thing is, right after you get a comment, you might be pretty ticked at the person who left it. If you get to chew on it for 3 or 4 or 5 days, unless it was a personal attack, you tend to get over it a little more and can deal with it a little more civilized. There was a lot more commenting going on too.

Bob
02/04/2004 04:47:48 PM · #45
I think that anonymous comments would lead to comments that were more rude--or at least more blunt. I like having my name behind my comments. I've left over 3600 comments, and I like the face that recipients can click on my name, see my work, and see, as someone noted above, 'where I'm coming from.' Then they can know whether or not to take the critique and change practice, or ignore the critique because I don't shoot their 'style' of photography.
02/04/2004 06:01:31 PM · #46
How about just making the comments anonymous during voting, and then once the results were calculated, the identities would be revealed? This would allow the person to "chew on it", would still make the comment attributable to a user when the challenge voting is over, and would prevent people from replying to comments trying to beg for a higher vote...
02/04/2004 06:39:35 PM · #47
I personally am against anonymous comments. Basicly because I've been on sites where there are discussions between anonymous people taking place. And I think I can say that out of maybe 100 people there were maybe 2-4 persons that managed to keep the conversation in a well mannerd way.
02/04/2004 06:43:29 PM · #48
Originally posted by GeneralE:

You catch a ride with someone (maybe a cab), and the driver is eating, on the phone with his bookie, and weaving all over the road while enjoying a Bud (of either variety). I don't think I'd have anything nice to say, but I don't think I'd remain wholly silent either ....

They say you learn from your mistakes. How the heck are you supposed to know it's a mistake if no one tells you?

You know what the sad thing is I don't think I would say anything...That sucks really! I have kicked myself is the A** a few time of now speaking my mind....But I can't do it!

Melissa

Message edited by author 2004-02-04 18:46:34.
02/04/2004 07:00:03 PM · #49
Originally posted by melking23:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

You catch a ride with someone (maybe a cab), and the driver is eating, on the phone with his bookie, and weaving all over the road while enjoying a Bud (of either variety). I don't think I'd have anything nice to say, but I don't think I'd remain wholly silent either ....

They say you learn from your mistakes. How the heck are you supposed to know it's a mistake if no one tells you?

You know what the sad thing is I don't think I would say anything...That sucks really! I have kicked myself is the A** a few time of now speaking my mind....But I can't do it!

Melissa

Having identified a "problem" and declaring you'd like a different situation, the next step is to figure out the optimum solution for you. The most effective approach for treating phobias seems to be an escalating exposure to the triggering stimulus, in as controlled and non-threatening an environment as can be managed.

I'd suggest that DPC provides about as safe and supportive environment for practicing your new approach. Remember that here (as everywhere, really), your opinion is 100% as valid as anyone else's.

Message edited by author 2004-02-04 19:00:51.
02/04/2004 07:03:11 PM · #50
Originally posted by GeneralE:


Having identified a "problem" and declaring you'd like a different situation, the next step is to figure out the optimum solution for you. The most effective approach for treating phobias seems to be an escalating exposure to the triggering stimulus, in as controlled and non-threatening an environment as can be managed.

I'd suggest that DPC provides about as safe and supportive environment for practicing your new approach. Remember that here (as everywhere, really), your opinion is 100% as valid as anyone else's.


Well you are right...Thank you very much...You are opening my eyes...Thanks
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