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02/25/2004 12:23:25 AM · #1
Well if were going to say that comments should be in the open, why not votes. I'm tired of getting the every now and then troll that votes a 1 on my image 2 minutes after the challenge opens. I know only 1-3 troll votes doesn't matter, but they really piss me off and I wanna know who they are.


02/24/2004 05:11:29 PM · #2
Originally posted by Grundle:

I personally am against anonymous comments. Basicly because I've been on sites where there are discussions between anonymous people taking place. And I think I can say that out of maybe 100 people there were maybe 2-4 persons that managed to keep the conversation in a well mannerd way.
i agrie
02/04/2004 08:44:58 PM · #3
Originally posted by Glen King:

I like the fact that I can identify who has made a given comment. I can ask for clarification on a comment and if there I disagree have the chance to openly discuss the point. I can have my mistakes pointed out to me (and believe me, they are). I have learned more about photography on this site than I could in years at school.


After the challenge is done, you would know who left the comment. It would just be anonymous during voting. Would discussing a point, that the commenter made after the challenge voting was done, be less fruitful than if it was discussed during the voting?

I don't think this is about totally anonymous comments, just anonymous during the voting process. At least that's the vibe I'm getting about this.

Bob
02/04/2004 08:15:14 PM · #4
I like the fact that I can identify who has made a given comment. I can ask for clarification on a comment and if there I disagree have the chance to openly discuss the point. I can have my mistakes pointed out to me (and believe me, they are). I have learned more about photography on this site than I could in years at school.

My problem is that many of the comments made seem intended to be hurtful. I also object to someone that has never entered a challenge or posted in the forums commenting on photos. They dont have enough experience with the spirit of this site to give constructive criticism on pictures.

Rather than permit anonymous comments, why not require going thru the tutorial on how to comment on photographs before being allowed to vote or comment. Perhaps require that someone participate in at least one challenge in order to make commentary. Having your own work exposed to this community really would change some attitudes.
02/04/2004 07:46:38 PM · #5
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Message edited by author 2004-02-09 12:54:44.
02/04/2004 07:36:23 PM · #6
In "real" life we don't have the option of anonymity, most of the time and I think the same should apply here. We need to learn to develop thick skins in regard to our photos and our egos. If we get better in our art/photography and we have it hanging in galleries or other web sites where people will comment then people will either like it or not and we have to learn to accept these differences of opinion. Without an identity behind it, these comments become less valuable, in my opinion.

Maybe we need to have a seperate rant section just for rude comments so that the whole DPC community can inspect and dissect these comments in relation to the photo in question and see if they are truly objectionable. How about a category for number of rude comments made that would be listed in the commenters personal statistics? (not so serious about this last one :)
02/04/2004 07:35:55 PM · #7
Originally posted by EddyG:

How about just making the comments anonymous during voting, and then once the results were calculated, the identities would be revealed? This would allow the person to "chew on it", would still make the comment attributable to a user when the challenge voting is over, and would prevent people from replying to comments trying to beg for a higher vote...


This is the way it was in the Days of Yore. Personally I thought it worked fine. I know for a fact I left a lot more blunt comments. I also had very little idea what I was talking about with no worries about what I was saying or who I was saying it to. Admittedly its probably not the perfect system, but I think it was much more effective. Maybe we could try it for a couple challenges and take another vote Mr. Site Council Person.

Still Lobbying - Bob
02/04/2004 07:03:11 PM · #8
Originally posted by GeneralE:


Having identified a "problem" and declaring you'd like a different situation, the next step is to figure out the optimum solution for you. The most effective approach for treating phobias seems to be an escalating exposure to the triggering stimulus, in as controlled and non-threatening an environment as can be managed.

I'd suggest that DPC provides about as safe and supportive environment for practicing your new approach. Remember that here (as everywhere, really), your opinion is 100% as valid as anyone else's.


Well you are right...Thank you very much...You are opening my eyes...Thanks
02/04/2004 07:00:03 PM · #9
Originally posted by melking23:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

You catch a ride with someone (maybe a cab), and the driver is eating, on the phone with his bookie, and weaving all over the road while enjoying a Bud (of either variety). I don't think I'd have anything nice to say, but I don't think I'd remain wholly silent either ....

They say you learn from your mistakes. How the heck are you supposed to know it's a mistake if no one tells you?

You know what the sad thing is I don't think I would say anything...That sucks really! I have kicked myself is the A** a few time of now speaking my mind....But I can't do it!

Melissa

Having identified a "problem" and declaring you'd like a different situation, the next step is to figure out the optimum solution for you. The most effective approach for treating phobias seems to be an escalating exposure to the triggering stimulus, in as controlled and non-threatening an environment as can be managed.

I'd suggest that DPC provides about as safe and supportive environment for practicing your new approach. Remember that here (as everywhere, really), your opinion is 100% as valid as anyone else's.

Message edited by author 2004-02-04 19:00:51.
02/04/2004 06:43:29 PM · #10
Originally posted by GeneralE:

You catch a ride with someone (maybe a cab), and the driver is eating, on the phone with his bookie, and weaving all over the road while enjoying a Bud (of either variety). I don't think I'd have anything nice to say, but I don't think I'd remain wholly silent either ....

They say you learn from your mistakes. How the heck are you supposed to know it's a mistake if no one tells you?

You know what the sad thing is I don't think I would say anything...That sucks really! I have kicked myself is the A** a few time of now speaking my mind....But I can't do it!

Melissa

Message edited by author 2004-02-04 18:46:34.
02/04/2004 06:39:35 PM · #11
I personally am against anonymous comments. Basicly because I've been on sites where there are discussions between anonymous people taking place. And I think I can say that out of maybe 100 people there were maybe 2-4 persons that managed to keep the conversation in a well mannerd way.
02/04/2004 06:01:31 PM · #12
How about just making the comments anonymous during voting, and then once the results were calculated, the identities would be revealed? This would allow the person to "chew on it", would still make the comment attributable to a user when the challenge voting is over, and would prevent people from replying to comments trying to beg for a higher vote...
02/04/2004 04:47:48 PM · #13
I think that anonymous comments would lead to comments that were more rude--or at least more blunt. I like having my name behind my comments. I've left over 3600 comments, and I like the face that recipients can click on my name, see my work, and see, as someone noted above, 'where I'm coming from.' Then they can know whether or not to take the critique and change practice, or ignore the critique because I don't shoot their 'style' of photography.
02/04/2004 04:30:25 PM · #14
I'm 100% for the anonymous comments. If you want to be known, leave your name. The other thing is, right after you get a comment, you might be pretty ticked at the person who left it. If you get to chew on it for 3 or 4 or 5 days, unless it was a personal attack, you tend to get over it a little more and can deal with it a little more civilized. There was a lot more commenting going on too.

Bob
02/04/2004 04:29:05 PM · #15
Why not have a button to reveal or hide your identity until the voting stage is over on the commentators side?

Up to the commentator to reveal or not.
02/04/2004 04:18:38 PM · #16
Originally posted by melking23:

I never give bad comments....I would hate to make anyone feel bad! So I just give out good comments and leave the rest alone. If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything....right

Melissa

You catch a ride with someone (maybe a cab), and the driver is eating, on the phone with his bookie, and weaving all over the road while enjoying a Bud (of either variety). I don't think I'd have anything nice to say, but I don't think I'd remain wholly silent either ....

They say you learn from your mistakes. How the heck are you supposed to know it's a mistake if no one tells you?

Que Tacit Consentis (Who is silent, consents -- from the California voter registration form).
02/04/2004 02:57:05 PM · #17
I personnally prefer to think that people who comment on my pictures assume themself and dont hide behind anonymus!
02/04/2004 02:12:40 PM · #18
I donno... sometimes I preceive a shot to be one way & leave a comment & then I get PM explaining my misconception & that helps me understand the shot better. Now, I know what people are going to say.. the picture should tell the story & be obvious & if it isn;t then the fotog didnt do such a good job. But let's remember that this is an international site & we all can have tunnel vision when it comes to most things. Somethings are just beyond the realm of understanding, at least without some explanation. I prefer to know who is leaving comments on my shots & for others to know when I am leaving comments. This way if I am wrong about my perception I can hear about it before it's too late to do anything to correct it.
Another example is, with the rule changes & all, that folks believe that there are some things done in the digital darkroom when they are not. Unless I know who has left a comment that is incorrect, I cnanot address it if I don't know who left the message. Not everyone PM's after a comment is made to get the person to change the vote. Afterall, how many of us actually do this? Some people respond while others don't. I say leave things the way they are & if you get a comment or a reply that you don't like, then change your practices accordingly. Why impose change on everyone bc of something you experienced? Everyone has the right to change the way they do things but should we all have to make that change s well?
02/04/2004 02:09:00 PM · #19
Oh, and of course we should not forget that there are a number of people here who are not native English speakers, and others who are very young: it's entirely possible that their words are not read as intended; or alternatively, their critical facility is not developed.

Ed
02/04/2004 02:06:10 PM · #20
[Soap box]
I don't have a problem being identified from my comments, but I think having a flag on submissions saying 'Accept Terse Comments' would reduce the number of upset people. It would save a lot of time I think if we gave terser comments to those that just need a word or two, and longer comments at those that consider terse comments rude.

Thank you. :-)
[/Soap box]
02/04/2004 02:04:17 PM · #21
I think anonymity would be a bad thing - for one, with comments that annoy me , that seem a bit stupid or blunt, I can check out the poster and decide how much weight to give her/his opinions. Secondly, there's nothing quite like the pleasure of getting a good (or the helpfulness of getting a bad) comment from one of your favourites or one of the site geniuses (not necessarily the same thing).

Anonymity until the contest closes seems pointless to me.

Another thing to consider: I've never had a comment that in the remotest annoyed me (even a 'too dark'), from one of this sites most respected photographers - I mean folks of the order of JJ, David Sidwell, Setz, Kiwi etc.

Ed
02/04/2004 01:58:57 PM · #22
I never give bad comments....I would hate to make anyone feel bad! So I just give out good comments and leave the rest alone. If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything....right

Melissa
02/04/2004 01:58:43 PM · #23
When we look at percentages, what kind of percentages are we talking for number of angry PMs in response to comments, and cruel comments compared to helpful comments? Are they extremely high percentages? If you leave 200 comments and get one nasty message back, does that merit changing the system? I think it's easy to overlook that the majority is good when we get a flaming PM, but let's not.
02/04/2004 01:54:09 PM · #24
Originally posted by jonpink:

Come on! Freedom of speech!

Pussyfooting around with less harsh comments on a bad photo is probably more damaging to the photographer as opposed to being honest and saying 'this sucks'


strongly disagree....everyone might want to re-read what freedom of speech is. .. and realize that there's really no such thing anymore since the charter or rights and freedoms is the new Bible.
02/04/2004 01:51:03 PM · #25
Originally posted by TooCool:

Hmmmm....I must be missing something because I've made 452 comments to date and have not started one argument... Maybe no one reads them?


we read 'em but just blow you off ;-) just kidding. I haven't read a post from you that I'd consider rude. I have read some from others [including myself] that on second thought would probably be rude, but online anything can seem offensive, esp when you consider you can't HEAR tone or sarcasm.
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