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12/04/2003 02:08:55 PM · #51
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Message edited by author 2003-12-04 15:41:49.
12/04/2003 02:14:58 PM · #52
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

The aroma of marijuana in this state is not very strong


you must have smoked some shwag then, good marijuana is extremely pungent.

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marijuana is bad, go DEA, down with Castro, up with Bush
12/04/2003 02:39:12 PM · #53
I also have not known marijuana in the plant form to be very aromatic.

Message edited by author 2003-12-04 14:41:06.
12/04/2003 02:56:15 PM · #54
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Originally posted by tfaust:

Afterall, doesn't the blue ribbon winner of the Propaganda challenge depict the use of cigarettes?


See that's the thing, I would normally say no it doesn't. However, an argument could be made that the cigarette is there and burning and there is a connection to somebody smoking by the skull so I do see your point. However, for me at least, I would have to see somebody actually doing it for it to be depicting use of.


This photo seems designed to reject the use of tobacco as dangerous and unhealthy (I assume that's what the skull symbolizes). It discourages, not encourages, the use of tobacco.
12/04/2003 02:59:46 PM · #55
I basically agree with you. Let's either enforce the rule, or get it out of there. I'm more for the latter - modifying it to something a little more realistic.

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I would never suppress anyone's artistic freedom. I, for one, don't like the way the terms of use are worded in this specific example. The problem with it at this point is that we should just basically remove those pieces because they have never been enforced. I recently tested the site council by requesting DQ on one of the photos. I did the same thing again the following week on another photo. Funny thing is that the SC voted high enough to disqualify one of them and not the other one. Imagine that :)


Message edited by author 2003-12-04 15:18:31.
12/04/2003 03:17:23 PM · #56
Originally posted by Dave Gordon:


This photo seems designed to reject the use of tobacco as dangerous and unhealthy (I assume that's what the skull symbolizes). It discourages, not encourages, the use of tobacco.


The rules do not say encourage the use of - they say depict the use of. A burning cigarette in an ashtray with numerous butts in the ashtray as well depict the use of cigarettes/smoking.

The overall image and title does discourage however... I do agree with that.
12/04/2003 04:50:03 PM · #57
I think a forum poster or challenge photo commenter should be able to say an image is in bad taste, and have the question reviewed by the admins/SC, without being the subject of abuse, or having his values attacked.

I think 4.2 of the ToS is fine the way it is. I think the admins/SC have been put on notice that there is concern about lax enforcement in the past. Let's allow them to come up with a solution before we drag this debate into another polarizing debacle like the edit rules became. How about it admins/SC? Show some leadership. Please.
12/04/2003 05:20:37 PM · #58
Originally posted by coolhar:

I think a forum poster or challenge photo commenter should be able to say an image is in bad taste, and have the question reviewed by the admins/SC, without being the subject of abuse, or having his values attacked.

I think 4.2 of the ToS is fine the way it is. I think the admins/SC have been put on notice that there is concern about lax enforcement in the past. Let's allow them to come up with a solution before we drag this debate into another polarizing debacle like the edit rules became. How about it admins/SC? Show some leadership. Please.

Like all things subjective, there's a range of opinions on this one -- it will probably take some time so work out a practical solution. The rule is clearly problematic because of its ambiguity. In addition to the examples cited earlier, I remember quite a few shots of pills in the Matrix challenge, lots of shots of wine bottles and glasses, what could have been an ad for Absolut Vodka, etc.

Personally, I think we should allow it all -- I don't think we have an obligation to protect people from "bad taste." And if my son sees a photo of something unusual, like someone dying of an OD, I'll just discuss it with him -- any kid who watches TV or goes to school has heard about drugs before. The important thing is not to hide them from it, but talk about it rationally, know how they work, and understand the consequences.

Message edited by author 2003-12-04 17:21:14.
12/04/2003 05:54:01 PM · #59
my point is if you are going to take a photo of something that is most obviously going be controversial
at least do a good job of taking the photo.

how could techical skill/composition not be an important aspect of the way you vote? thats why we are all here is it not?
to learn how to take better photos?

i really dont think the rules have much to do with how photos that depict controversial things are voted on. its quite obvious many dont even read the challenge descriptions, never mind the 6 page rule book...



12/04/2003 06:05:11 PM · #60


4.2 You will not use the DPChallenge.com Service to post content ... that ... (v) does or may denigrate or offend any ethnic, racial, gender, religious or other protected group, through use of language, images, stereotypical depiction or otherwise, (vi) is designed to or does harass, threaten, defame or abuse others, (vii) exploits images or the likeness of minors, (viii) encourages or depicts the use of drugs, alcohol or cigarettes or (ix) is generally offensive or in bad taste.

OK, the site rules do state this, but does that also mean that any of the shots of alcohol on the site should be disqualified as well? Like Konador's 'Merlot' shot? Or 'Chapagne for Two' by EddyG? Essentially they also break the site rules.

Lee
12/04/2003 06:53:28 PM · #61
You're right Grease, there are a lot of very good photos in the past challenges that are in violation on 4.2. Seems to me that we have all kind of lost sight of the rule and let it fall into a state of lax enforcement. I'm sure that almost all of those who have entered pictures like the ones you noted were unaware that they were against the rule. We all share in the oversight of the rules; and we all overlooked these violations because nobody asked for DQs on them. More important to dwell on, IMHO, is what would have happened if the photographers were aware of the rules, and we, as a group were more observant in our duty to request DQs for images we considered in violation. I believe the members would probably have found other subjects and enteted equally good photos. There would be little harm done by moving now to a slightly stricter enforcement of the rule as written. That would be a good first step toward deciding whether it needs to be modified.
12/04/2003 06:58:20 PM · #62
IMHO, I think the rule should be gotten rid of and replaced with some good common sense type of statement that would say that the depiction of drugs, alcohol or cigarettes it it pertains to the effectiveness of the photo, and in general if people would just grow up.
I'm really not all that impressed that someone could take a picture of some weed, wowey congrats, way to go. The content isn't the problem, it's the way it's done that is. The picture was simply taken to spite people, and as Setzler mentioned early, just to show off and make a ruckus. If the photo had a creative or effective composition then it's a completing different story.

Lee
12/04/2003 07:28:14 PM · #63
agreed - tried to say - well put...

12/04/2003 09:00:50 PM · #64
Personally I find pictures taken of a church as a sacred place to be along the same lines as the picture of the marijuana. Is rastafarianism not a religion? Is Marijuana not as sacred to a rastafarian as a church is to some other religions? My point is that calling the picture one of 'bad taste' is a very ethnocentric thing to do, and maybe whoever made that comment should take a broader view on life, and look a bit further into the cultures of others. The photo did not try to push the use of Marijuana onto any of us, it merely depicted a subject that many people would recognize the scent of.
12/04/2003 09:17:50 PM · #65
There have been plenty of pictures glamourising alcohol on this site with not one objection. Objectively, the fact is that alcohol is a much more dangerous drug than marijuana. I find the reactionary response to this photo astonishing. In my opinion, parents should be far more concerned about society's messages on the use of alcohol.
I'll step off my soapbox now.
12/04/2003 09:19:58 PM · #66
I should add that I personally find photos on this site glamourising guns to be particularly in bad taste. I'd far rather ban photos of guns than photos of marijuana. One promotes violence, use of the other negates it.
12/04/2003 09:26:21 PM · #67
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

I should add that I personally find photos on this site glamourising guns to be particularly in bad taste. I'd far rather ban photos of guns than photos of marijuana. One promotes violence, use of the other negates it.


you have to be kidding
12/04/2003 10:17:36 PM · #68
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

I should add that I personally find photos on this site glamourising guns to be particularly in bad taste. I'd far rather ban photos of guns than photos of marijuana. One promotes violence, use of the other negates it.


I agree about the guns. I'm surprised every time I see one or two of them in a challenge. Not trying to raise a political ruckus here, just thought I'd chime in and let you know you are not alone in that opinion.
12/04/2003 10:21:34 PM · #69
Seems like the majority of the commentators didn't even know what it was before this thread was started.
12/04/2003 10:29:37 PM · #70
I cant even finish reading the whole thread "get over it" its a picture first and met the challenge well . Stop over analizing things! Pun intended!
12/05/2003 12:06:20 AM · #71
Originally posted by Manikz:

Personally I find pictures taken of a church as a sacred place to be along the same lines as the picture of the marijuana. Is rastafarianism not a religion? Is Marijuana not as sacred to a rastafarian as a church is to some other religions? My point is that calling the picture one of 'bad taste' is a very ethnocentric thing to do, and maybe whoever made that comment should take a broader view on life, and look a bit further into the cultures of others. The photo did not try to push the use of Marijuana onto any of us, it merely depicted a subject that many people would recognize the scent of.


Happy to hear a worldly & ethnic view on things...finally! Well put.
12/05/2003 10:36:12 AM · #72
It seems the picture of the marijuana is causing some discussion. I have to make it clear that shortly after I submitted the photo, I realized it my offend some of the viewers and contacted DP Challenge asking them to remove it, which they refused. It is also undeletable although there is a delete option. So here it stays.
I find it interesting the adverse response to marijuana. It is purely a legal issue. Various pharmaceutical drugs, which are physically addicting, are prescribed in the billions of dollars every year, destroying lives while not really curing anything. As someone said before, alchohol kills thousands per year and I have a bottle of 20 year old Scotch on my shelf and I've seen the pics on DPC. Most laws made, excluding those against violence, are inacted in order to protect the very wealthy from losing revenues.
I was on a friends roof( a 62 year old woman who doesn't have cancer, but does use it on occasion to relieve cronic migranes) I thought it was very pretty in the cold afternoon sun. If you've seen my portfolio, you can tell, I don't take a lot of time constructing a photo. I have the challenge in mind and go out and see what action that day inspires. I find this very stimulating and challenge worthy. It's how I view life and art. While I'm one who has an overly amount of self control, but I don't believe in controlling those around me or their actions.
The machine that drives this country is one of excess. A bag of chips is four servings, not one, but most of us eat an entire bag of chips while watching a movie. We are fed images everyday, enticing us to over-endulge in everything from food to merchandise. This underlying idea is a factor in drug abuse. I admit, there are those out there that abuse drugs of all kinds(legal and not-ie. Rush Limbaugh) and they need help. If this photo causes someone to go out and buy drugs then that person has a problem with drugs or with fear. That is the case of most drug abusers, regardless of prescribed nature or not. I am not a drug abuser and don't condone abuse of anything, well maybe sugar...but that's my flirting with type 2 diabetes.
Even though this picture didn't do well technically, most of mine don't, I've read all the feedback and I'm happy it gave people out there a forum which to speak out on.
I have lived in this country all of my life and in the recent passing couple of years, I've seen unneeded propoganda instill fear unto many of us in this country. This fear filters into all parts of our pshyche. Let's hope that we can have the minds to see what is really evil out there and apply it to more challenges and art.
dcb

Message edited by author 2003-12-05 12:27:29.
12/05/2003 04:18:02 PM · #73
Originally posted by dc broughton:

A bag of chips is four servings, not one, but most of us eat an entire bag of chips while watching a movie.

Hmmm...could this have something to do with the Marijuana?
12/05/2003 04:43:43 PM · #74
Originally posted by Manikz:


Hmmm...could this have something to do with the Marijuana?



LOL
12/05/2003 05:11:04 PM · #75
Originally posted by Manikz:

Personally I find pictures taken of a church as a sacred place to be along the same lines as the picture of the marijuana. Is rastafarianism not a religion? Is Marijuana not as sacred to a rastafarian as a church is to some other religions? My point is that calling the picture one of 'bad taste' is a very ethnocentric thing to do, and maybe whoever made that comment should take a broader view on life, and look a bit further into the cultures of others. The photo did not try to push the use of Marijuana onto any of us, it merely depicted a subject that many people would recognize the scent of.


excellent point Manikz.

also BobsterLobster had good points.
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