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04/17/2007 02:20:30 PM · #1 |
I just received Visual Studio 2005 Pro from work and would like to know if anyone has any good resources for learning it and/or any good forums that can answer newbie questions if they come up.
I've learned by doing Dreamweaver, asp w/vbscript and SQL Server 2000 so I know some stuff but I'd like to do it the right way this time and learn it from the fundamentals up. This will be almost exclusively for web design work. |
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04/17/2007 02:22:37 PM · #2 |
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04/17/2007 02:29:26 PM · #3 |
| //msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/beginner/ |
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04/17/2007 02:32:36 PM · #4 |
| The included help files are often very handy as well. I recommend installing the whole darn thing to the hard drive for easy access. It's only a few Gigs. :) |
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04/17/2007 02:45:04 PM · #5 |
when you run into a roadblock and need and answer, feel free to pm me w/ any questions.
c#, .net 2.0 and vs 2005 pay all my bills...
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04/17/2007 02:49:10 PM · #6 |
If you are using it with SQL this maybe a good resource:
//msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/sql/learning/default.aspx
Nick
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04/17/2007 02:59:04 PM · #7 |
Thanks guys.
I will be using it with SQL a lot, pretty much everything I do is database driven.
I prefer online resources. I have shelves full of books but have found I get bored with them about half way through whereas online tutorials and such tend to keep me a bit more interested. |
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04/17/2007 03:07:32 PM · #8 |
I've been using it since pre release. I use SSIS packages for the ETO of our datawarehouses and my company was part of the tap program for testing out the database features.
What type of database work are you going to be doing with it? |
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04/17/2007 03:19:24 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by chesire:
I've been using it since pre release. I use SSIS packages for the ETO of our datawarehouses and my company was part of the tap program for testing out the database features.
What type of database work are you going to be doing with it? |
Simple web queries to collect data and later build reports around. I work for a large company with a lot of users (150,000+) so there will be a lot of data being collected and processed 24/7.
I'd be embarrassed to have a DBA look at my SQL tables right now because I know they are a complete hack job. It's all intranet work I do though so I'm not terribly worried about hackers. |
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04/17/2007 03:22:46 PM · #10 |
Visual Studio is infinitely more sophisticated and complex than Photoshop ever will be, and learning Photoshop thoroughly is hard.
Visual Studio is even more difficult if you are not a software developer familiar with the worflows and data constructs of computer programing to begin with. Then it is next to impossible to learn if you want to do "real" programming.
Recommendation:
If you are not a software developer already then find a class at a local trade school, community college or university to learn it.
Studying Visual Studio is a "learning for a lifetime" project.
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04/17/2007 03:29:32 PM · #11 |
Even having used Visual Studio as a data developer and an app developer for the last 7 years or so.... I wouldn't use VS to develop my database. I'd use the SQL Tools. Of course you have to use it for Reporting services, and SSIS, but the SQL Management Studio is more appropriate for Developing queries and such. It also integrates (as does VS) into the Team foundation services if you are using them.
For references google everything! Google groups is good, MSDN Groups is good, and my favorite is SQL Server Central.
For specific questions you're welcome to fire things to me, if I can't answer I can help you look for answers.
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Simple web queries to collect data and later build reports around. I work for a large company with a lot of users (150,000+) so there will be a lot of data being collected and processed 24/7.
I'd be embarrassed to have a DBA look at my SQL tables right now because I know they are a complete hack job. It's all intranet work I do though so I'm not terribly worried about hackers. |
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04/17/2007 03:44:43 PM · #12 |
right. I use SQL enterprise manager to build / maintain my databases. We just switched over to .NET and AJAX as a company standard for web development, that's what I'll be using it for.
As far as programming goes, while I don't have any formal training in it I've gotten fairly good over the years with VBscript, ColdFusion and Actionscript (basically javascript) so I have a good grasp of the concepts of programming. |
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04/17/2007 03:48:42 PM · #13 |
Ok that's clearer.
Luckily for me, we have enough developers that I can do only database stuffs and not worry about .Net :) Are you going to be using VB or C#?
I know C# is what most of our guys are using now. |
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04/17/2007 03:58:55 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by chesire:
Ok that's clearer.
Luckily for me, we have enough developers that I can do only database stuffs and not worry about .Net :) Are you going to be using VB or C#?
I know C# is what most of our guys are using now. |
Honestly I haven't decided. I have a fair amount of experience with vbscipt so the transition to VB would be easier but as you said C# is hotter right now and from what I understand more robust. |
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04/17/2007 04:00:50 PM · #15 |
I think for .NET guys MSDN has good information though I am not 100% sure as I am a Java guy :)
If you have membership of the online reference community then you can read latest .NET books online. e.g. Book24x7
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04/17/2007 04:40:33 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Honestly I haven't decided. I have a fair amount of experience with vbscipt so the transition to VB would be easier but as you said C# is hotter right now and from what I understand more robust. |
Do not be fooled by VB being in both names... VBScript is one beast, and VB.NET is a whole another world.
Just bite the bullet and go with C# - or use both! That's what .NET is all about anyway, you can pick and choose your languages for particular modules as you please, and combine them all into a single application in the end.
-Serge |
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04/17/2007 08:18:34 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Honestly I haven't decided. I have a fair amount of experience with vbscipt so the transition to VB would be easier but as you said C# is hotter right now and from what I understand more robust. |
Do not be fooled by VB being in both names... VBScript is one beast, and VB.NET is a whole another world.
Just bite the bullet and go with C# - or use both! That's what .NET is all about anyway, you can pick and choose your languages for particular modules as you please, and combine them all into a single application in the end. |
gack!! noooooo... please don't do both... just stick with c# and let vb die the slow painful death it deserves... using more than one language (although possible) will just lead to maintenance headaches later... trust me... probably for the person who comes after you
as for moving from vbscript to vb.net? you're going to find the transition from javascript to c# much more intuitive, actually...
useless trivia: when vb.net first appeared, vb coders started calling it visual fred, because it was just nothing like vb 6.
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04/17/2007 09:28:59 PM · #18 |
Programing language is like the camera you use. It does not matter what it is. What matters is what you create with it.
With that said I proudly say that I use VB.NET and not ashamed to say it.
Nick
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04/18/2007 12:50:27 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
Programing language is like the camera you use. It does not matter what it is. What matters is what you create with it.
With that said I proudly say that I use VB.NET and not ashamed to say it.
Nick |
but if you were a c# programmer, you wouldn't have needed the disclaimer.
well...
at least you picked the right camera...
*sigh*
;)
Message edited by author 2007-04-18 00:51:41.
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