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05/20/2002 05:25:55 PM · #26
OK. I am over the low rating. Didn't mean to put other photos down. Someday I will reach no. 1. Then it will time to graduate to a tougher challenge site. Photo Grad School.
05/20/2002 06:06:40 PM · #27
More like Photo Third Grade... (been there, done that)
05/20/2002 08:55:44 PM · #28
This is pretty good work for a 3rd grader. 3rd grader
05/20/2002 09:13:34 PM · #29
Careful... many of the folks who are winning over at DPC are wielding $10,000 cameras. Futhermore, I find it sometimes exhausting there because of a select few who are so full of themselves that they will whine in public forums about the judges. "Waaaaaaaah...my photo was chosen at (x) site and (y) site, but it didn't win here. What's wrong with the judges? Waaaaaahhhh..." I have a freshly-baked humble pie that I am ready to heave at their enormous heads....

;)
05/20/2002 09:43:55 PM · #30
The photographers are very good there..technically.

They have their livelyhood tied up in their camera equipment.

Nobody with a 2 megapixel camera and no changeable lenses(read true optical macro and telephoto lenses) etc etc is gonna go there and shake their trees.

We have a few folks here VERY capable of competing as far as style, creativity and even some post processing but to get a shot like that Bee....You better break out the $6,000 Nikon DH1. Thats all tech on that one.

Plus you better know your post processing as well.

I only dream of having a nice 200mm optical zoom at 6 megapixels...droooool..........and a FULL copy of Adobe paintshop/illustrator. I can dream :-)



05/20/2002 09:47:07 PM · #31
Well, here are my opinons on some of the photos mentioned here:

"Hmmm" - I liked this photo a lot. For some reason it doesn't seem unimaginative to me that the girl would be reading the magazine upside down. I relate to that too much :). I always did weird things like that as a girl...

"Water Stand" - I have no idea why this one ranked so low, because as I commented, I loved the framing. Maybe it's because my main occupation is 3d animation, but I love action shots. If there's a line of action or some motion blur or something like that in a photo, I respond to it. This one seemed to be a girl caught in motion, with water drops in the air, and the legs curving gracefully off to the side. So... I liked it :)

"I wanna look just like the magazine" - As I commented, I like your cat and I want to tickle its tummy :). The photo itself wasn't very nicely composed for me. I think I rated it average, but for me that was 7 or something a bit stupidly high last week. I just kept seeing things that were worth 9 to me!
05/20/2002 10:55:08 PM · #32
I haven't submitted to DPContest for a couple of years, but I remember the judging being pretty shaky in a number of circumstances - pics with big, obviously cloned areas (against the rules at that time) making POTD, pics (several) lifted from MSNBC and reportedly being taken with a little Canon with no zoom (just impossible due to the angle, DOF, etc.) winning as well. It was usually up to the more savvy of us contributors to catch the errors or inform the judges (via the admin) of the rules. As for the bee shot, you could do the same with a coolpix, and probably easier given the form factor and excellent close focusing. Again, I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I would not call it grad school. There are other sites, usually not digital-only, where the average level is much higher.
05/21/2002 12:51:02 AM · #33
Originally posted by Patella:
I don't get a LOT of the placement. I'm not talking about my own picture here -- I actually expected it to do much worse than it did (I have the feeling I have an admin note and some forum posts to thank for that). But there are pics that, in my opinion, ended up ranking WAY lower than they deserved and others that ranked WAY too high. (And in some cases the distinction may not be as extreme but every bit as valid.)

It all makes me wonder about my own "qualifications" to vote after seeing the way things ranked in relation to my own votes.


I feel the same way. The top three winners were my top three (in a different order), so there are no surprises there, but many of the other placements baffled me. I ended up thinking both "What is this photo doing way up here?" and "What is that photo doing way down there?" more than once.

05/21/2002 12:54:14 AM · #34
Originally posted by Moondoggie:
As one of the offenders who submitted a boring, rotated, uninteresting photo, allow me to state my case.

I have been painfully busy lately, and have not had time to really develop good photos for the challenges. I was not even going to submit one for the upside down challnge, but I happened to be setting up some shots for my kid in the park - I knew he would be swinging on that swing, so I shot a few to test the lighting & comp. When I got home and looked at those test shots, I found something vaguely interesting about the form and shape of the tire swing, particularly when rotated.


Maybe I'm weird, but there was something I really liked about the way the tire seemed to defy gravity.

05/21/2002 01:09:05 AM · #35
Originally posted by hokie:
I don't understand all this incredible self doubt on a learning site.

If you are capable of acheiving perfection or close to it why would this site even attract you? If perfection in your mind was acheivable at your command you would probably be competing at some of the professional photographer sites with the big hitters who have no learning to do other than the limits of their already enviable skill..


I'm under no delusion that my stuff is close to perfect. I can be happy with imperfection if I feel I have done something worth doing. I am pretty critical of my own stuff, and I'm usually not willing to let people see stuff when I'm not happy with the results. There was also another glitch to my photo, but I think I'll put that in a separate post.

I see some great talent here and even when some of these folks don't score as well as their best I still see interesting stuff.

You do yourself and the other folks here a disservice by ctiqueing yourself so harshly you don't submit some ideas you had that week.


Or maybe I'm doing them a favor by not making them look at it. :-)

Remember, your ego is the only thing at stake here. No money or nothing. Just shoot it and submit it :-)

Just my poor little ego?
05/21/2002 01:44:19 AM · #36
OK, here's the best of my shots, which I was going to call "Your Cheatin' Heart"

Here's why I didn't submit it:

1. Someone else mentioned in another thread using five Aces in a poker hand as a cliche shot. I wasn't sure if they would do it, and I didn't want to seem to be stealing their idea. The only reason I through with it is that I didn't get a better idea, and I had already borrowed the materials for the shot.

2. Half the people I tested didn't get it until I pointed out that there is only one deck used in Poker.

3. There is too much I didn't like about it. It's too busy. It's too noisy. The white on the card box is too hot. (It probably looks way too dark on Windows, even though I lightened it.)

I wasn't sure I wanted to look at this photo every time I logged in for a week. I changed my mind right up to the wire, and I'm still not sure I made the right decision. I like it better today than I did Sunday. So, was I an idiot, or did I spare everyone from having to vote on a cliched shot?



* This message has been edited by the author on 5/21/2002 1:45:20 AM.
05/21/2002 05:15:46 AM · #37
Originally posted by lisae:
Well, here are my opinons on some of the photos mentioned here:


"Water Stand" - I have no idea why this one ranked so low, because as I commented, I loved the framing. Maybe it's because my main occupation is 3d animation, but I love action shots. If there's a line of action or some motion blur or something like that in a photo, I respond to it. This one seemed to be a girl caught in motion, with water drops in the air, and the legs curving gracefully off to the side. So... I liked it :)




Thanks for the compliment on my photo. I really wasn't too concerned that it didn't place higher due to the fact that I was only able to get off three handstand shots before my son said "enough!" I had already made him dive off the diving board about 5 times without catching the shot I really wanted and the water was still a little too cool for swimming. You can make a 16 year old do a lot for you out of guilt on Mother's Day. Oh and I love it that you thought he was a girl. Now I can have fun teasing him.
05/21/2002 07:18:28 AM · #38
Amphibian, I really liked your outtake, too. Didn't think it was too busy, and liked the DOF and composition.

Originally posted by Amphian:
[i]OK, here's the best of my shots, which I was going to call "Your Cheatin' Heart"

Here's why I didn't submit it: ...
05/21/2002 08:29:49 AM · #39
the rankings and placement are definitely weird. but to me it's the process and the comments. if i win i win, but i'm not obsessed with it.

amphian: someone mentioned 5 aces as cliche and i responded to them that I did NOT think it was cliche.

lisae: i know, it's such a cute fuzzy belly!!

hokie, irae, dpcontest discussers, et al: that bee kicks butt and i've not seen many images in our contest so poppingly perfect - no offense anyone.

fsiederaski: your 'Hmmm' picture was quirky and interesting because it illustrated a thought process. It made me, as I wrote, wonder what the girl was looking at. it wasnt a special effect picture as much as a psychological study, IMO.


05/22/2002 01:20:30 AM · #40
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
amphian: someone mentioned 5 aces as cliche and i responded to them that I did NOT think it was cliche.

Yeah, I should have just gone ahead with it anyway.

Thanks for the compliments, gr8photos. I like the photo a bit more today, and now I'm kicking myself for not submitting it.
05/22/2002 10:20:52 AM · #41
Amphian,

I liked the Your Cheating Heart shot. So many of the photos for games are just game peices and not the actual game play. You should of submitted that shot, it really conveys the concept of gameplay. What I have learned here from lurking for 5-6 weeks before posting my first shot is there will be common themes or cliches for all the challenges you just have to make sure yours is a good shot (which it was).


Ed
05/23/2002 02:10:54 PM · #42
I gave you a very good score, 9.
I admit, I am pretty generous at
grading, but it was a FUNNY,
opportunistic shot, in GREAT
focus. I have a much harder
time GRADING UP "set shots", as
the photog "has all day" to get
it right. For me, opportunity
shots, done well, get far better
grades than set shots.
05/23/2002 02:26:34 PM · #43
I'd say you should even be careful judging those things that look like set shots. I know my picture this week looks like it was a studio shot with carefully controlled lighting -- in reality, I shot on the top of a cardboard box using the quickly shifting direct sunlight from a window. Every couple of seconds I had to move the elements of my image in order to keep them where I wanted in relation to the light. Yes, I did set it up, but I feel like it was also very much a grab shot -- just one of a different nature.
05/23/2002 11:38:51 PM · #44
Originally posted by eddy:
I liked the Your Cheating Heart shot. So many of the photos for games are just game peices and not the actual game play. You should of submitted that shot, it really conveys the concept of gameplay. What I have learned here from lurking for 5-6 weeks before posting my first shot is there will be common themes or cliches for all the challenges you just have to make sure yours is a good shot (which it was).

Thanks. I think what made me reluctant was to see someone else post the same idea in the forums. Next time, I'll just ignore it.

05/24/2002 01:59:24 AM · #45

- "why the sideways bird"
If you ask me, I'd tell you to take a second look that the "sideways bird" again and take careful attention to the background. It doesn't appear that the photographer just turned it 180 degrees but the bird is actually flying sideways. The bird flew at 180 degrees. The background is horizontal to the horizon, the way it's should be. What makes the photo so awesome is that it shows you what this bird is compatible of doing: flying sideways, instead of the usual way most other birds do. I applaud to the photographer for actually capturing this bird's natural behavior! -NBT
05/24/2002 03:02:04 AM · #46
I do know that the image is in its original orientation, and I did see the horizon. You seem to be confusing 90º (sideways) with 180º, though. It''''s a great catch, but the bird is not, by any stretch of the imagination, upside down. When I said "sideways bird and sideways landscape", I was refering to two different images. Oh, and BTW, I imagine most birds can bank a curve.





* This message has been edited by the author on 5/24/2002 3:04:24 AM.
05/24/2002 03:54:45 AM · #47
OK, as the person responsible for the "Sideways Bird" picture I feel I should pitch in here.

Did I really believe it was upside down when I submitted it? Well, kind of. It was Sunday, it was late, I'd decided that this was the week to make my first post. After half an hour looking at it I'd convinced myself that it was just about upside down ("Well, it's certainly not the right way up...")
Do I believe now that it's upside down? No - I have to agree with most of the comments I got.
Would I post it again if I had my time again? Probably - like I said a week ago I'd rather post and find out what I'm doing wrong.

BTW, this week I'm definitely on topic and my score is lower ;-)
05/24/2002 04:01:15 AM · #48
Awww... I loved that photo, it was one of my tens. I didn''t question that it involved the idea of upside down in an oblique way. The wings were vertical while the head was the right way up... I thought that was good enough in a "topsy turvy" kind of way.

* This message has been edited by the author on 5/24/2002 4:02:15 AM.
05/24/2002 04:21:29 AM · #49
I liked it, too, and scored it pretty high (for me), but somebody's got to keep you anarchists in line. {g}
05/24/2002 07:44:19 AM · #50
That sideways bird shot is awesome and I am envious.

I didn't think that was the best display of upside down so I held back on a 10 but I gave it a 9.

I am also wondering if that shot is possible with a regular digicam or if you need at least an slr with a decent telephoto to get that shot?

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