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03/26/2007 06:47:38 PM · #51 |
A someone who is married to a very small woman, I get to hear comments as well. My wife, size 0 or 00, 5'5", weighing in at about 90lbs (41kg) has a twin sister, also weighing in about the same, and another sister that maybe has 5lbs on them. None are anorexic, none have eating disorders, in fact they can eat pizza like a teenager.
Skinny can be nothing more than genetics.
Rude comments are nothing more than immaturity and should be kept to one's self.
Message edited by author 2007-03-26 18:58:42. |
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03/26/2007 06:54:31 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by irisheyes:
I joined this site hoping that I would learn something. Paid my $25. Know what I got? Photos of a girl attempting suicide, a christian cancelling his/her membership due to harsh words and opionions, a post of how US Marines were killing people in Iraq, and now this? Oh did I forget to mention the "you might be a redneck if.." thread.. i really really thought i was joining a site that would concentrate on photography and help me and i might have something to offer as well. Now we are debating on the size and shape of a neck? I am cancelling my membership. This is just stupid fodder that I am wasting my time with. |
DPC is more than just a photo site. It's a community site. If it weren't, there wouldn't be a "General Discussion" or "Rant" forum. You are going to encounter people whose opinions you don't like everywhere you go on the internet.
Let's break out your complaints here, for a second:
1. Photo of a girl attempting suicide
I don't know which photo in particular you're referring to, but how is this a problem if it fit with the challenge? Because you don't like the subject matter? It seems that a number of people had problems with the subject of the photo being discussed here, too. IMO, it's a photo - if you don't like it, click next and forget you saw it.
2. a christian cancelling his/her membership due to harsh words and opionions
I saw this thread, but didn't follow it very far. Again, this comes back to the fact that you're going to see opinions you don't like no matter where you go.
3. a post of how US Marines were killing people in Iraq
They are. Bad people, good people, themselves, mistakes, intentional, whatever. It's the truth. I don't know how far the thread went, but I see a trend - if you see an opinion that you don't like, and it isn't harassment or abuse, just move on. If it is, report it to the SC, bring it to the general attention of the site, and do what you feel is necessary.
4. The redneck thread
It was a contest idea based in popular comedic culture. I can't even go to the *grocery store* without seeing "You might be a redneck..." products. Quite literally, my grocery store just got a big batch of window stickers. If you don't like it, make your statement and move on. If it comes up as a challenge, don't participate.
5. This thread
What on earth is wrong with this thread? People saw what they deemed to be abuse and have raised concerns about it. The comments were uncalled for, unhelpful, and just plain rude. Why should people sit on their hands?
People these days are exposing themselves to a much wider variety of cultures and opinions than ever before. Many people simply can't handle that. If human peaceable human interaction is that difficult, maybe it's time for people to cancel their internet subscriptions or move to sites where speech is strictly controlled.
I'm not trying to cause any offense directly to you, but just to explain the situation as it is. I simply don't understand how anyone can get so upset over anonymous opinions that they will quit the site in a huff. |
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03/26/2007 07:01:09 PM · #53 |
Thank you! I was going to comment on that but you beat me to it.
Come one. If you don't want to deal with the forums, don't look. It doesn't change the fact that there is a whole community of photographers LEARNING from this site and eachother.
What's with the... I don't like discussion I'm canceling my membership act? It's so silly. |
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03/26/2007 07:06:47 PM · #54 |
Not meaning to fan the flames but coming from a partially italian lineage, I do find the model too skinny. However, I was anorexic once so I know how it goes when the people around you started questioning me if I was anorexic.
Silence, most of the time, is the most powerful way to deal with such thing. You cannot please everybody. And this is true for ones work, your model, your words and your deeds, etc no matter how noble and kind they are. |
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03/26/2007 07:09:53 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by MonicaJames:
Not meaning to fan the flames but coming from a partially italian lineage, I do find the model too skinny. However, I was anorexic once so I know how it goes when the people around you started questioning me if I was anorexic.
Silence, most of the time, is the most powerful way to deal with such thing. You cannot please everybody. And this is true for ones work, your model, your words and your deeds, etc no matter how noble and kind they are. |
Eloquently spoken, IMO.
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03/26/2007 07:13:38 PM · #56 |
Skinny people of the world unite!
Actually, I asked for validation on this shot immediately. From a purely anatomical point of view, I just couldn't accept the length of her neck. I still can't quite grasp it, especially looking at other pictures of her. It just looks like there are extra vertebrae, which is quite unlikely.
Anyway, I was very impressed it was validated and had given it an 8 anyway. It's an incredible shot. Perhaps her extreme hair is accentuating her neck. Cobra Charmer indeed. |
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03/26/2007 07:22:38 PM · #57 |
| I guess negative comments about the model in a picture aren't very productive, but art is supposed to generate a reaction and that picture sure succeeded. I think the model is really hot, actually, she looks different but in a very good way. |
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03/26/2007 07:24:13 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
HOLY MOLY !! Ok, I'll fess up.. I used the "A" word when it came to this photo.. Here's what I said..
03/19/2007 10:16:10 PM
I'm struggling with this one. The lighting is right for this subject and the pose is strange to me, but it seems to be right for your model.Everything seems creepy & disturbing though.I want to give you my vote based on the quality of your photo, and I don't want to be swayed because I find your subject odd & not natural looking at all.Kinda freaky.This is the most emotion I've felt about a photo on this site so far..I think that's worth a lot and this to me is a 10.Can I say this with out hurting your feelings or the models, but I could go forever with out seeing her posed like this again, under this lighting.It looks more like a movie poster for some futuristic anorexic prisoner.Still a 10 for me though.I can't wait to find out who took this..REALLY POWERFULL IMAGE
I think that he knew her pose & body would cause some reaction otherwise there would have been no mention of the fact that he did nothing to elongate her neck.. I personally don't feel that what I said was offensive because I wasn't referring to her specifically, but the pose she was in and the lighting used to accentuate her body. I see that I'm in the minority though and I apologize for any hurt feelings.
To me, and no one has touched on this, but it was the combination of things that were so interesting & shocking.. Her hair !!! Her pose !!! Her neck !!! The lighting !!! Again, to me, it looked like she was intentially being portrayed as very thin & odd appearing.I truly thought that the photographer was using those assests to shock the viewer. So, I said what I said and I'm sorry if it was hurtfull.. I feel like I'm doing confession here and just wanted to get that off my chest if the photographer takes the time to read this.. I see that in her other pictures she appears nothing like this, so again, that says to me it was a choice to use the one photo that made her look either thinner then she is in real life (based on his description of her) or had this odd shape.
Lesson learned and I will be very carefull from now on when commenting on photo's if and when I dare do it again... |
You have nothing to worry about love. You comment was very honorific! Thanks :)
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03/26/2007 07:35:46 PM · #59 |
as a recovering eating-disordered individual myself, it really bothers me when the word "anorexic" is just flung around, like it so often is nowadays.
anorexia is a very serious disease, not just a label to hang on someone thinner than you're comfortable seeing. it is not some fad diet, some get-skinny-quick scheme. you don't "get anorexic" or "go anorexic" and handing a person a cheeseburger will not fix the mental aspect of it. anorexia (and the other eating disorders as well) kills many, it ruins relationships and lives, and simply isn't something to be joked around about.
i realize that most people are uninformed, i just wish it could be different.
oh, and the photograph is truly stunning, it went immediately into my favourites when i saw it during voting. =)
(edited for punctuation)
Message edited by author 2007-03-26 19:36:45.
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03/26/2007 07:37:30 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
From a purely anatomical point of view, I just couldn't accept the length of her neck. I still can't quite grasp it, especially looking at other pictures of her. It just looks like there are extra vertebrae, which is quite unlikely. |
For once, the Doc and I agree on something. I gave this photo a 10, but I still don't believe that's her neck. Looking at other photos of her just confirms my opinion. |
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03/26/2007 07:38:22 PM · #61 |
Thank you all for your comments!!!
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03/26/2007 07:43:32 PM · #62 |
Funny, many over-weight people are commonly criticized. Perhaps not vocally, but one is hard pressed to get a non-thin model in a ribbon winning photo of a nude or sensual type.
But it seems unacceptable to feel such way to a thin model. Now that said, said model may or may not be anorexic. From looking at her face...probably not. But very little room to spare.
The fact is, most of the women walking around Hollywood ARE. Most of the people being presented to men (to hunger after) and women (to compete with) are anorexic.
Society has brewed a small backlash toward such. Is it any wonder after watching Dove's "Real Beauty" campaign.
I can understand both sides. Being frustrated at the comments. And many people being off to the image because the level of thinness presented is extremely rare and for 99.8% of the population equates to anorexia.
Thinness does not always equate to anorexia. I had a classmate in the Academy. He was approx. 5'9" and weighed 105lbs. And this was a guy. But he wasn't anorexic. Just extremely light build.
- Saj
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03/26/2007 07:49:55 PM · #63 |
Here is my answer to DrAchoo and Posthumous
If I say that I didn't cheat on the lenght of her neck... why would I lie?
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03/26/2007 07:52:51 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
You can bet your butt that if someone said this model is morbidly obese... get her a salad (like the comment about getting this one a burger) there would no doubt be HUGE controversy. |
I would go as far as to say an even bigger one. |
This all ties to political correctness. Making a comment about someone who is over-weight is politically incorrect in our society. Such not as much the case with anorexia or extreme thinness.
All this means is that the judgment is made in other ways. I am sure that if two exceptional photographs were taken of both an extremely thin model and an over-weight model. The latter would receive a lower score.
Just take a dating sight. List the following options: average, overweight, underweight. I am sure a lot more people would search the average & underweight listings than the overweight. This is typical...
So where as this brewed controversy over comments which wouldn't be made in a reversed situation. It is in part because the latter is truly much less acceptable in society.
I even remember reading a study that said that in the business world that race, age, gender often had far less determination in hiring, promotions, and raises than obesity. Those who are heavy set tend to across the board make less money, advancement and were less likely to be hired.
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03/26/2007 07:54:21 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Toyan:
Here is my answer to DrAchoo and Posthumous
If I say that I didn't cheat on the lenght of her neck... why would I lie? |
It is quite an interesting photograph. BTW...is the model a contortionist? As I've seen a few others with such body types naturally that tended toward being pretty good contortionists.
That said, her neck is probably the longest I've seen. It may be because of how the head is shaved and posed. But I'd be curious to know how her neck actually measures against the average person's neck. I guess if I had an unusually long neck I'd use such physical trait to try to get a guest appearance on Stargate.
:)
Message edited by author 2007-03-26 20:00:59. |
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03/26/2007 08:02:56 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
I guess negative comments about the model in a picture aren't very productive, but art is supposed to generate a reaction and that picture sure succeeded. ... |
I'm glad you've raised this point. Emotion is a big player in photography as it is presented at DPC. A very wide spectrum; love, hate, life, death, etc... Many are subjects for challenges themselves. Aside from the themes' of many challenges, the subject material used in images is fair game for discussion and critique and I believe in many cases the photographer is anticipating such a reaction, even soliciting it. Some people like it, some don't - that's the nature of art. However, like it or not, there is a polite way to express your thoughts and opinions if you are moved to do so. Not everyone has reached the level of art critic - this thread helps to enlighten many I believe.
I feel like I may be a little off topic with the above, if so I apologize to the OP. This has been an interesting thread/conversation.
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03/26/2007 08:04:50 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by Chiqui:
The thing is, a picture of an obese person would never win a blue ribbon. |
Except this one :)
I personally find extremely thin people just as unattractive as I find extremely obese people. Call me weird |
You're weird. Thanks for finding the refuting image. Saved me a lot of looking. BTW those fellows are morbidly obese. I've seen many a fine obese human female that would win a challenge here, no problem, with the right photographer.
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03/26/2007 08:10:59 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Lesson learned and I will be very carefull from now on when commenting on photo's if and when I dare do it again... |
The lesson I've learned is that if you don't want to offend someone on DPC with a comment, never comment. I comment. I want others to comment on my images. Bring it on!
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03/26/2007 08:20:02 PM · #69 |
Just to my two cents in: I don't think its right to apply any sort of label to people in the pictures we are viewing.
And another point: Anorexia is a eating disorder. In Konador's picture we can say that the men are obese. Can we tell what types of food they eat? Or the quantity. We assume because they are larger men that they eat a lot. Perhaps they eat a regular amount and are not able to exercise. Perhaps they have problems with their metabolism. Perhaps they are even in the early stages of anorexia.
And the model in Toyan's picture? Thin but not ill. I think the other problem we as a society(ies) have is this preconceived notion of what is healthy. I am 6'1" and 200 lbs. I have a friend who is 6 inches shorter than me and weighs 30 more pounds. According to some, he would be considered obese because of that. However, he is incredibly fit while I could stand to lose a few pounds. Modern media has a certain look that is "good" and if you don't have it then you are either too skinny or too big. We then wonder why people starve themselves to death trying to fit into an unachievable body type.
Oh yes...one more thing. Anorexics typically have body image issues so I am going to go out on a limb and guess that posing nude underneath bright lights with a photographer shooting them may not be exactly their cup of tea. Just a thought...
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03/26/2007 08:21:54 PM · #70 |
One more thing... (then I will shutup)
Toyan raised a good point in his entry after the results were in. The comments that offended him had to do with remarks made about the subject. He is quite open (and welcoming in fact) to comments about his photography.
'Nuff said.
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03/26/2007 08:26:28 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by Chiqui:
The thing is, a picture of an obese person would never win a blue ribbon. |
Except this one :)
I personally find extremely thin people just as unattractive as I find extremely obese people. Call me weird |
You're weird. Thanks for finding the refuting image. Saved me a lot of looking. BTW those fellows are morbidly obese. I've seen many a fine obese human female that would win a challenge here, no problem, with the right photographer. |
You really think that refutes what she was getting at? You're right it did win a ribbon which happen to be in a challenge called "Trends" and the idea was obesity as a trend. I'm just guessing but I'd imagine the voters liked it because of the idea and not because they were obese. If you stuck that photo in any other challenge I'm guessing it would struggle to score even a 6.0 let alone ribbon.
Message edited by author 2007-03-26 20:27:33. |
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03/26/2007 08:35:58 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by yanko:
You really think that refutes what she was getting at? |
Refutes what she communicated to me: an image of obese people can't win a challenge. She didn't specify anything. In fact if you examine her following posts you'll see a fair bit of explaining and backpedaling. Next time I'll put a bunch of :) :) :) :) around my entire post so you won't get bent! Now I'm off to eat a cheeseburger!
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03/26/2007 08:35:59 PM · #73 |
One thing I just don't get.. What in the world dose it metter if she's anorexic or not. I meen it's just a disease like any other, if you say it's ok to take a photo of a cancer patient or a autistic person you can't say it's not ok to film people with eating dissorders. Really people come on.. If you see a photo of an over weight lady in here every one comments on how nice it is to see a "real woman". Ok im not over weight dose that make me any less of a woman. Should the fact that I have a eating dissorder prevent me in posting self portraits of my self because some one might find my body not as "real" because of it??
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03/26/2007 08:36:26 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by irisheyes:
I joined this site hoping that I would learn something. Paid my $25. Know what I got? Photos of a girl attempting suicide, a christian cancelling his/her membership due to harsh words and opionions, a post of how US Marines were killing people in Iraq, and now this? Oh did I forget to mention the "you might be a redneck if.." thread.. i really really thought i was joining a site that would concentrate on photography and help me and i might have something to offer as well. Now we are debating on the size and shape of a neck? I am cancelling my membership. This is just stupid fodder that I am wasting my time with. |
You raise a good question, though I doubt you intended it that way.
You say you joined this site to concentrate on photography, but what is photography about, if not the world around us and communicating with others our own take on it?
Perhaps you meant photographic technique, exposure, effects, post-processing, basic compositional "rules"? There are too many photographs that would serve as fine examples of those things, but would be utterly boring. The good ones are about more than just a well-exposed, gimmicky, perfectly composed and polished with CS2 image. They say something. If you don't want to listen that's your choice.
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03/26/2007 08:41:33 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by yanko:
You really think that refutes what she was getting at? |
Refutes what she communicated to me: an image of obese people can't win a challenge. She didn't specify anything. In fact if you examine her following posts you'll see a fair bit of explaining and backpedaling. Next time I'll put a bunch of :) :) :) :) around my entire post so you won't get bent! Now I'm off to eat a cheeseburger! |
I didn't see her second post. Seems like I was right in getting what she meant but you called backpedaling? lol. Anyway, I'm not bent. Go enjoy that cheeseburger. |
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