final business card! do you think its good enough?

03/24/2007 03:13:55 PM · #1

how doyou think this is? im happy with it.

Front:

Back:

and when making the bleed should i make it a contrasting colour? so in this case, white?

03/24/2007 03:28:57 PM · #2

i redid the front so i have my vector shape on the front as well as the back in hte same position

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

03/24/2007 03:29:29 PM · #3

and doyou think should have hte portriats,events and groups at hte top of the back of keep it only on the front?

levyj413

Nikon D7100

03/24/2007 03:57:16 PM · #4

My first suggestion would be to buy a domain name and a hosting service.

Hotmail and using DPC as your portfolio say amateur to me. You can buy a domain name at //www.gandi.net for around $10/yr. and I'm sure you can find some hosting for $20 a month or so, or less.

But really, my question is: do you think people are going to hire you? I just wouldn't hire a 16-year-old. Legal liabilities, lack of experience, and general presentation would be strong obstacles for me.

That is, go for it and good luck! I truly wish you success. But don't be too disappointed if you get that reaction.

From your posts here, it seem like you're a pretty mature guy, so you've probably already prepared yourself for that reaction.

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

03/24/2007 04:02:34 PM · #5

Originally posted by levyj413:

i have no website to host though!
and why wouldnt they hire me? my card doesnt say im 16, i dont need to tell them in 16, when i give hte card out in person i dont look 16. there are no legal liabilities, and thats kind of a catch 22 thatyou just stated, im doing this so i can get expierence :P you pretty much need expierence to get experience. and whats bad about my presentation. do you mean by card or my physical looks of me? i dress well and put together.

digitalknight

03/24/2007 04:07:33 PM · #6

I agree with your own domain - Godaddy has them pretty cheap too - cheaper than Gandi last time I registered one. Just have Photoshop put a web gallery together for you to start, and then your email looks respectable too!

Once you get the domain, contact me and I'll help you with your hosting - I have connections... CHEAP connections.

As for your age - it's easier to be 16 with a killer portfolio and get hired than 40 with a portfolio that sucks. I started as a freelance animator at a pretty young age - and darn immature - but my portfolio got me the gigs, and how I dealt with problems that come up earned me the clients.

I applaud your ambition - wish I would have started down that same road at 16 instead of having a nice hobby for 20 years and then realizing I can make a lot of money at it! And it's even more fun than animation - I get to see the sun as a photographer. :-)

Don't forget to set some goals, set aside part of the money for further marketing, schmooz schooz schmooz, work on your elevator pitch, schmooz some more!

I think the cards look great, get that domain handled and go go go!

Message edited by author 2007-03-24 16:08:49.

03/24/2007 04:10:08 PM · #7

Originally posted by digitalknight:

what doyou mean by my domain? i buy it then have it go to my dpchallenge portfolio? i have no website so i have nothing to host. i tried building a flash site but realised i dont know how to use flash

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

03/24/2007 04:55:16 PM · #8

and doyou thinka shaw.ca emailw ould be better than hotmail?

pix-al

Canon EOS-5D

03/24/2007 05:06:01 PM · #9

Anyone in the world can set up a hotmail account without any comeback what so ever.
To have a domain name, you have to supply personal details, plus billing details to pay for it, so anyone wanting to hire you can see there is a "paper-trail" to a real person...

Having your own domain can also allow you to use addresses like "Sales@ your name.com" or "info@yourname.com" etc. They look much more professional.

You can creat yourself a really simple web page with plain old HTML - no need for flash. Let your work do the talking, not a slick website... It's the photos people want to see, not your web programing skills!

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

03/24/2007 05:12:05 PM · #10

Originally posted by pix-al:

id still have troubles with that ! im not a html literate guy :(
im ight buya domain right now then and have it re direct to my portfolio until i get something up. and how woudlyou go about reading emails when your emial is like that?

pix-al

Canon EOS-5D

03/24/2007 05:16:27 PM · #11

The email is set within your domain settings. You would get a login ID and a page to make adjustments. Anyone who sent a mail to "Sales@you.com" would have their mail auto forwarded to your hotmail address, or any other address you wish to use - It is up to you...They wouldn't know.

pix-al

Canon EOS-5D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

03/24/2007 05:19:33 PM · #12

Originally posted by noisemaker:

id still have troubles with that ! im not a html literate guy :(

Pah - HTML is quite easy. There is so much stuff available for free on the internet, you could knock something up in a few days...

Check out my site www.pix-al.co.uk. VERY basic HTML, with a little bit of free Java code for the B&W to Colour roll overs on the images. This was my second ever attempt at a website.

03/24/2007 05:26:02 PM · #13

Originally posted by pix-al:

ohh okay, do you know that if i sent an email out it would be under my hotmail email or my domain email?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

03/24/2007 05:26:21 PM · #14

and im buying www.steinbachphoto.ca from net firms

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

03/24/2007 05:31:13 PM · #15

Originally posted by noisemaker:

- Go to 123register, pay $9. When you login hit the "Frame Foward" or "Foward" and point it at xxx.dpchallenge.com. Under the email hit the foward all to xxx@hotmail.com (they will know when you reply) and your done. There are a lot more options if you buy a hosting services but not necessary. You can point your domain anywhere you want later when you get to that point.

- On the age & libability stuff... Just be careful about accepting gigs that are in licensed places (no beer for you officially okay :-) - obviously depends on the legal age in your area.

- Have a blast!

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

03/24/2007 05:35:06 PM · #16

Originally posted by robs:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
i have no website to host though!
and why wouldnt they hire me? my card doesnt say im 16, i dont need to tell them in 16, when i give hte card out in person i dont look 16. there are no legal liabilities, and thats kind of a catch 22 thatyou just stated, im doing this so i can get expierence :P you pretty much need expierence to get experience. and whats bad about my presentation. do you mean by card or my physical looks of me? i dress well and put together.

- Go to 123register, pay $9. When you login hit the "Frame Foward" or "Foward" and point it at xxx.dpchallenge.com. Under the email hit the foward all to xxx@hotmail.com (they will know when you reply) and your done. There are a lot more options if you buy a hosting services but not necessary. You can point your domain anywhere you want later when you get to that point.

- On the age & libability stuff... Just be careful about accepting gigs that are in licensed places (no beer for you officially okay :-) - obviously depends on the legal age in your area.

- Have a blast!

i was about to hit hte accept button at netfirms for a .ca account, is there any advantages to 123register other than saving 1 dollar(well is 123register in CDN or americal currency as well.

and ive done a gig ina bar and i was never I.D'd :-D

soup

Canon EOS-30D

03/24/2007 05:54:06 PM · #17

you best buy it quick, i lost out on four i wanted last night in ten minutes time....

Olympus 9-18mm f/4.0-5.6 M.Zuiko Digital ED

03/24/2007 06:02:28 PM · #18

okay i got it but cant figure out how to make it redirect to my dpchallenge portfolio!

jonr

Olympus OM-D E-M5

03/24/2007 06:19:23 PM · #19

White is more practical, (write down extra info) and easier to read. Better than most I've seen (here and elsewhere) though. :)

benhur

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

03/24/2007 06:39:36 PM · #20

Originally posted by noisemaker:

okay i got it but cant figure out how to make it redirect to my dpchallenge portfolio!

When you log into your account on the website you have purchased the domain name from there should be something there that will allow you domain forwarding for example my web address is www.benspics.co.uk and this forwards to my Pbase account.

Screen Print of my control panel at UK Reg

Message edited by author 2007-03-24 18:46:41.

levyj413

Nikon D7100

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

03/24/2007 11:27:15 PM · #21

Originally posted by noisemaker:

and why wouldnt they hire me? my card doesnt say im 16, i dont need to tell them in 16, when i give hte card out in person i dont look 16.

What I'm saying is that if I were hiring a photographer, I'd expect a professional adult, not a 16-year-old.

For that and other reasons, please do be up front about your age. Someone thinking they're dealing with an adult but finding out later you're not could hurt your reputation at minimum and get you or your client in legal trouble at maximum.

Originally posted by noisemaker:

there are no legal liabilities

I think there are, at least in the US.

For one thing, you're not allowed to sign contracts. Your signature carries no meaning legally, as far as I know. In addition, if you break something on a set, or damage someone's belongings, it's your parents on the hook, not you.

There are layers of complexity that you can deal with yourself as a legal adult but that are up your parents until you're older.

Just like the situation with shooting nudes under the legal adult age, my saying this has nothing to do with you as you, Dustin, the individual; it has only to do with how the law views minors.

Originally posted by noisemaker:

do you mean by card or my physical looks of me? i dress well and put together.

Your card looks quite nice. When hiring someone, though, I gotta tell ya the card means almost nothing to me.

Before setting out to get paid for anything, I encourage you to discuss it with your parents and possibly talk to an attorney for a bit. I'd bet there are ways to deal with any issues, but ignoring them or assuming they don't exist isn't the right approach.

Maybe I'm thinking about it too much. I'd just hate to see your enthusiasm smacked hard by some screwy legal or other problem.

As I said, I really do wish you luck - take these points as coming from a friendly neighbor, not just an old curmudgeon who wants to see you fail. And then come back and tell us of your successes. :)

Message edited by author 2007-03-24 23:28:18.

MadMan2k

Sony Alpha a6400

Tamron 70-180mm F/2.8 Di III VXD

03/25/2007 12:11:10 AM · #22

I don't think it should matter that you're under 18... Just have them pay you 'under the table', and it wouldn't hurt to put a little bio of yourself on your site. Yes, you should make your own site. It's not very hard to make a simple one with a few pages, or even a more complex one if you have time to learn how.

Age never even has to come up, if you don't want it to... So you're young, what're they going to do? If you produce the results they want, why would they care? If they call off the shoot when you meet them because you don't look old enough to do a good job, they're retarded and probably would have been a nightmare to deal with anyway.

littlegett

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

03/25/2007 12:28:51 AM · #23

Originally posted by MadMan2k:

I don't think it should matter that you're under 18...

Can we please get a couple Business people in here? Where are all the Lawyers at? Any underage person can not legally go into contract without parental consent. What this means is any person whom hires an underage person can get the short end of the stick without legal repercussions.

Can he even purchase a Business License? or Tax#?
Second, his writing skills are horrid. It always makes my skin crawl to see someone write with 'net-hand'.

But, don't listen to me, I am not a Lawyer and only a Business Major in College with not more than 15yrs experience in businesses of various types.

Nothing says you can not do it, but just make sure you do it the Right Way.

03/25/2007 12:38:55 AM · #24

Originally posted by littlegett:

Originally posted by MadMan2k:
I don't think it should matter that you're under 18...

Can we please get a couple Business people in here? Where are all the Lawyers at? Any underage person can not legally go into contract without parental consent. What this means is any person whom hires an underage person can get the short end of the stick without legal repercussions.

Can he even purchase a Business License? or Tax#?
Second, his writing skills are horrid. It always makes my skin crawl to see someone write with 'net-hand'.

But, don't listen to me, I am not a Lawyer and only a Business Major in College with not more than 15yrs experience in businesses of various types.

Nothing says you can not do it, but just make sure you do it the Right Way.

exuse me? my writing skills are horrid? you don't know my writing skills, you haven't seen me write anywhere but in a forum! ive written letters to cbc publishers about a movie and that has to be very professional, and guess what i did it and got a reply. don't critise my writing please when you have only seen it in forums.