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05/14/2002 10:14:11 PM · #1 |
Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along. |
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05/14/2002 10:30:32 PM · #2 |
I think creativity is a very important part of the photos here. Creativity scores highly with me. btw- I didn't make that comment on your photo.. :)
Originally posted by tyd:
Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along.
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05/14/2002 10:36:43 PM · #3 |
Creativity doesn't necessarily score low, as long as it's very accessable. The challenge for me lately is to find a way to creatively appeal to the lowest common denominator. {g}
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05/14/2002 10:38:52 PM · #4 |
There's your mistake... don't tailor your work to appeal to others... tailor it to your own tastes... :)
Originally posted by irae:
Creativity doesn't necessarily score low, as long as it's [i]very accessable. The challenge for me lately is to find a way to creatively appeal to the lowest common denominator. {g}
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05/14/2002 10:43:17 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
There's your mistake... don't tailor your work to appeal to others... tailor it to your own tastes... :)
Originally posted by irae:
[i]Creativity doesn't necessarily score low, as long as it's [i]very accessable. The challenge for me lately is to find a way to creatively appeal to the lowest common denominator. {g}
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But if you tailor to your own tastes you are likely to alienate you audience. At least, from what I have seen on this site. It really is all about technique with a touch of creativity, rather than the simple image.
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05/14/2002 11:14:10 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by tyd:
Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along.
I tried to be a bit creative this time and my score is only like 5.9 right now... I'm positive if I flipped my image 180 degrees and went for the obvious, my rating would be 7+
Gotta go for the obvious!
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05/14/2002 11:37:31 PM · #7 |
There's work that I do for me, and then there's work that I do for the lumpen rest of you. {g}
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05/15/2002 04:33:52 AM · #8 |
I thought the same thing, tried it, and was seriously let down a few weeks ago.. I tried to tailor a photo to what I thought people wanted to see... It did not do well. I went back to my original methods this week and it's paying off... :)
Originally posted by joebar:
Originally posted by tyd:
[i]Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along.
I tried to be a bit creative this time and my score is only like 5.9 right now... I'm positive if I flipped my image 180 degrees and went for the obvious, my rating would be 7+
Gotta go for the obvious!
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05/15/2002 05:52:07 AM · #9 |
Sometimes what you think is being creative really isn't so good. I'm not saying you shouldn't be creative, but don't let it get out of hand. If you really want to try and get good scores on this site then you have to understand you have to be creative in such a way that everyone would like. Its like marketing/advertising.
If you came to this site to be artistic and different that's alright too, unless you are trying to get high scores. |
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05/15/2002 06:00:44 AM · #10 |
this is exactly the attitude i have towards my job, where i have to produce websites and other products that are of high visibility and wide exposure to be consumed by the general public. so there's my work style and then there's my much more psychedelic 'me' style.
Originally posted by irae:
There's work that I do for me, and then there's work that I do for the lumpen rest of you. {g}
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05/15/2002 06:02:33 AM · #11 |
yeah, exactly JM. I've found the harder I try to 2nd guess the dpchallenge voters, the more 'blocked up' I get. And I'm someone who almost never experiences 'block' : ) .. so I just have gone back to doing what appeals to me, and let the chips fall where they may
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I thought the same thing, tried it, and was seriously let down a few weeks ago.. I tried to tailor a photo to what I thought people wanted to see... It did not do well. I went back to my original methods this week and it's paying off... :)
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05/15/2002 06:10:24 AM · #12 |
tyd,
i think some of the challenges are more about creativity : red, curves, transitions, and some are more like 'exercises' to get you to try a specific technique or niche, like ground up and advertisements. i think it's a nice mix. : )
Originally posted by tyd:
Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along.
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05/15/2002 06:28:26 AM · #13 |
Looking back at past challenges, i truly believe that 'artistic and different' has scored rather well...
Originally posted by chariot:
Sometimes what you think is being creative really isn't so good. I'm not saying you shouldn't be creative, but don't let it get out of hand. If you really want to try and get good scores on this site then you have to understand you have to be creative in such a way that everyone would like. Its like marketing/advertising.
If you came to this site to be artistic and different that's alright too, unless you are trying to get high scores.
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05/15/2002 07:44:52 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Looking back at past challenges, i truly believe that 'artistic and different' has scored rather well...
Well... I can agree with you somewhat but...
Some people are quite bizzare. They want to do something just weird and crazy and for most people it doesn't work, but to them and maybe a few other self-proclaimed "enlightened" individuals thinks its great too.
Or maybe the right way to say this is that creativity and artistic talent is subjective. One persons creativity is another persons crap and vice versa.
I think people that don't understand that are just as stupid as the people giving 1's to pictures that score in the top 3 or maybe even top 10 on this site.
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/15/2002 7:45:23 AM.
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05/15/2002 07:52:34 AM · #15 |
I think *THAT* statement sums it up rather nicely... No matter how technically advanced or saavy your photo may be, if it's not generating good emotional vibes in the viewer, the score will reflect it... From what I have seen, subjectivity probably plays a larger role in the vote than any other issue....
Originally posted by chariot:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]Looking back at past challenges, i truly believe that 'artistic and different' has scored rather well...
Or maybe the right way to say this is that creativity and artistic talent is subjective. One persons creativity is another persons crap and vice versa.
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05/15/2002 08:14:54 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think *THAT* statement sums it up rather nicely... No matter how technically advanced or saavy your photo may be, if it's not generating good emotional vibes in the viewer, the score will reflect it... From what I have seen, subjectivity probably plays a larger role in the vote than any other issue....
Originally posted by chariot:
[i]Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I agree, but I think I would rather come out of the voting process with a solid 5 based on 1/2 10's and 1/2 1's than 4's, 5's, and 6's. I figure even if people hate it at least it caused some kind of emotional response for them.
Unfortunately for me, I have not yet developed the talent that is required for such an endeavor. I suspect I will see lots and lots of 4-6 votes.....sigh!!
[i]Looking back at past challenges, i truly believe that 'artistic and different' has scored rather well...
Or maybe the right way to say this is that creativity and artistic talent is subjective. One persons creativity is another persons crap and vice versa.
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05/15/2002 09:46:37 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
I agree, but I think I would rather come out of the voting process with a solid 5 based on 1/2 10's and 1/2 1's than 4's, 5's, and 6's. I figure even if people hate it at least it caused some kind of emotional response for them.
That depends. If you are a company that wants an ad that is attractive but not too controversial you don't want controversy.
Take my ad. It is a known that women buy almost as much cologne for their husbands and boyfriends as the men buy for themselves.
Therefore when doing a sexual ad for cologne you make it subtle, soft and aimed at a woman as much as a man.
If you were advertising Brut you aim at the men. Market research has shown very few women bought Brut but men loved the idea of a tough, karate fighting guy.
Take a look at my score spread. In the middle. And I would bet money more women liked my ad than guys and more women caught the subtle eye. One female voter went as far as to describe a romantic interlude.
I could take a score spread like that and use that to sell the ad to the company, and market researchers within ad companies do just that.
So..depends on what your purpsoe for your photo is supposed to be as to where the score spread would best be.
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05/15/2002 10:28:12 AM · #18 |
I still stand with my original comment. I take pictures to make myself happy, not anyone else. I still think the best I can hope for is an emotional connection on some level from the other people whom I choose to share my pictures with.text
Photography will never pay my bills, so what people think of it matters little. At least IMHO. |
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05/15/2002 10:45:30 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by tyd:
Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along.
This is why i suggested "Challenge: Everyone photographs the same subject" in the challenge suggestions forum. Doing this for one of the challenges would force you to be creative to stand out from the rest of the people. Also, if your idea is similiar to someone else's it will force you to have a better technical photo.
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05/15/2002 10:47:11 AM · #20 |
I'm not totally against that idea myself but I'm fairly sure I would grow weary of scoring and commenting on the same subject for that many different photos...
Originally posted by dpchallenger:
Originally posted by tyd:
[i]Someone asked me on my latest entry -- "where is the creativity?"
I must be honest my latest entry isn't great, in fact I wanted to remove it from the competition, but didn't have a chance to.
But, to answer this question... creativity doesn't win around here. I tried to do something a bit creative and ironic with the last challenge, but it seems very few people understood what I was trying to do. For me, creativity went out the window until a really good challenge comes along.
This is why i suggested "Challenge: Everyone photographs the same subject" in the challenge suggestions forum. Doing this for one of the challenges would force you to be creative to stand out from the rest of the people. Also, if your idea is similiar to someone else's it will force you to have a better technical photo.
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05/15/2002 10:54:37 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'm not totally against that idea myself but I'm fairly sure I would grow weary of scoring and commenting on the same subject for that many different photos...
Either that or give a LOT of 1s. :)
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05/15/2002 11:02:29 AM · #22 |
seriously, just flipping a photo upside down should get nothing more than a 3
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/15/2002 11:02:44 AM. |
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05/15/2002 11:10:06 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by achiral:
seriously, just flipping a photo upside down should get nothing more than a
I dind't interpret this challenge that way at all. Flipping the photo upside down does meet the challenge. It's all technical and subjective beyond that...
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05/15/2002 11:11:45 AM · #24 |
This is the whole problem with this idea....
a few weeks ago when we had the stopped motion challenge, there was a lot of whining about all the 'water' shots in the challenge. The 'water' shots did not make up a majority of the challenge but it stirred lots of negative comments from some. For this reason, I feel that the 'same subject' challenge would not be a good idea...
Originally posted by dpchallenger:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
[i]I'm not totally against that idea myself but I'm fairly sure I would grow weary of scoring and commenting on the same subject for that many different photos...
Either that or give a LOT of 1s. :)
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05/15/2002 11:24:30 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by achiral:
seriously, just flipping a photo upside down should get nothing more than a
At first, when I was just doing my initial voting I agreed with you achiral. I figured "WTF? All they did was take any photo and flip it".
Then I saw it like jm says..we didn't way in the challenge description that you couldn't just take a photo and flip it.
Some photos that are just flipped are trying to get you to see the pattern or idea that is in everyday stuff if we just look upside at em.
Some are sketchy at best but I still could not mark them down for just flipping. They met the technical side of the challenge. Some of those folks may have been just trying to sneak a photo they liked into this challenge by flipping it. :-) Tricky but not worth a DQ.
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