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05/14/2002 12:39:58 PM · #1 |
Obviously every photo in the contest was entered because the creator thought it fit the challenge. Please stop getting hung up on whether or not YOU think it meets the challenge. That doesn't matter. You are judging photos, not people's ability to perceive concepts. We have an international variety of members here and nobody is going to think exactly alike.
Let's pretend every picture belongs here and vote on whether it's a good photograph. Please?
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/14/2002 12:41:16 PM. |
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05/14/2002 12:41:49 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
Obviously every photo in the contest was entered because the creator thought it fit the challenge. Please stop getting hung up on whether or not YOU think it meets the challenge. That doesn't matter. You are judging photos, not people's ability to perceive concepts. We have an international variety of members here and nobody is going to think exactly alike.
Let's pretend every picture belongs there and vote on whether it's a good photograph. Please?
Well said!!! |
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05/14/2002 12:55:01 PM · #3 |
I can't remember if I said this before, or only thought about adding to another thread.
I only half agree with the idea that I should ignore whether or not I think a photo meets any given challenge. I WILL continue to comment if I don't see it -- and I expect people to do the same with my work. If I'm so far off the mark, no matter how straightforward an approach I think I've taken, that other people don't see it, then it's not working for the challenge. (And if you don't care whether or not you've successful completely the challenge, I'd say you're on the wrong site.)
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'll VOTE a photo down because I don't get it. I spend a lot more time looking at the photos I don't get than I do the ones I do. I WANT to understand how a given image fits the idea it was submitted under. If I like the photo, I vote it that way. But I'll also tell the photographer I didn't get it in the end. I've done this on a lot of the photos for this current round -- and I KNOW a lot of people have done it to me. Like I said in another thread -- my current entry may be one of my best so far (creativity, execution, technical merit, everything) and yet judging by my current score, I'm going to fall more than a full point lower than my worst score to date. Based on the comments, it's because people don't see that it's upside down even when it VERY much is.
It took me a while, but I've reached the point where I can separate the good comments from the bad, hope for a winning score, but ignore (or even laugh off) a bad one. As long as I'M satisfied with the result, who gives a toss what the rest of you think. *grin*
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05/14/2002 01:34:12 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
Obviously every photo in the contest was entered because the creator thought it fit the challenge. Please stop getting hung up on whether or not YOU think it meets the challenge. That doesn't matter. You are judging photos, not people's ability to perceive concepts. We have an international variety of members here and nobody is going to think exactly alike.
Let's pretend every picture belongs here and vote on whether it's a good photograph. Please
No. The whole point is to fit the challenge. If I didn't take into consideration whether you fit the challenge or not then there wouldn't be a point in having a challenge at all. This is a non-profit site and we are all here to have fun, so don't get hung up on what people say.
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05/14/2002 02:41:44 PM · #5 |
If I didn't take into consideration whether you fit the challenge. . .
So you are saying that I should shoot the next challenge according to your interpretation instead of shooting a photograph that is relevant to the challenge put forth by the admins? What about my interpretation? Does it count for anything?
All I'm saying is that individuals, when voting, need to consider whether a photo is basically relevant to the challenge and stop taking everything so literally. |
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05/14/2002 02:46:18 PM · #6 |
I agree with concept...
I do believe that the voter should have an open mind about the challenge topic though... There can always be many interpretations of each challenge topic. The voter should be willing to accept ideas that were not pre-conceived notions of what would be displayed...
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05/14/2002 03:04:33 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by chariot:
No. The whole point is to fit the challenge. If I didn't take into consideration whether you fit the challenge or not then there wouldn't be a point in having a challenge at all. This is a non-profit site and we are all here to have fun, so don't get hung up on what people say.
I agree with this. |
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05/14/2002 03:11:15 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Originally posted by chariot:
[i]No. The whole point is to fit the challenge. If I didn't take into consideration whether you fit the challenge or not then there wouldn't be a point in having a challenge at all. This is a non-profit site and we are all here to have fun, so don't get hung up on what people say.
I agree with this.[/i]
Then maybe we should have a 'Duplicate This Photo' challenge so nobody gets confused.
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05/14/2002 03:17:10 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by chariot:
No. The whole point is to fit the challenge. If I didn't take into consideration whether you fit the challenge or not then there wouldn't be a point in having a challenge at all. This is a non-profit site and we are all here to have fun, so don't get hung up on what people say.
i dont understand this. the first part of the para seems to say 'fit the challenge' but the last sentence says 'dont be hung up on fitting the challenge'
which did u mean?
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05/14/2002 03:26:19 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
Originally posted by chariot:
[i]No. The whole point is to fit the challenge. If I didn't take into consideration whether you fit the challenge or not then there wouldn't be a point in having a challenge at all. This is a non-profit site and we are all here to have fun, so don't get hung up on what people say.
i dont understand this. the first part of the para seems to say 'fit the challenge' but the last sentence says 'dont be hung up on fitting the challenge'
which did u mean?
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No, he said "dont get hung up on what people say" :)
And yeah, I agree with "No, the whole point is to fit the challenge"
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/14/2002 3:26:40 PM. |
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05/14/2002 03:36:08 PM · #11 |
You know, we each have our own voting styles. Some emphasize creativity over technicality. Some stress fitting the challenge obviously, others will assume the picture always does. That's what's cool, I think. The winner then is (in theory) the best picture with all aspects taken into consideration. Obviously since every photo gets only ~200 votes, then there may be a certain type of voting style. Ultimately, I'd say don't worry if someone didn't like your photo for a reason that you don't think was relevant. If they are vastly in the minority, it won't affect your score too badly. If they aren't, then maybe you can learn from them. Anyway...
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/14/2002 3:36:54 PM.
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05/14/2002 04:18:52 PM · #12 |
| This is a very interesting discussion to me. I personally believe (and therefore vote) that entries must be considered first (and most of all) on whether or not *I* think they have met the challenge, and after considering that, I look at the quality of the photo. In submitting a photo to this site, I am opening it up to honest, constructive criticism and helpful comments. I encourage it and believe that it is the most effective way that I can improve my craft. I think my advertising photo (dirt cheap) is a very good example of that balance. From the comments, I can tell that the majority of voters knew what I was selling (thereby acknowledging that it was in fact an advertisment), but most of the voters were distracted by the dirty window. This response gave me a clear and helpful message that will make me a better photographer (if I choose to listen to it, and not take it personally). Now, let's pretend I HADN'T agreed with the majority of the comments about the dirty window. I think it would be better for me to take my business elsewhere instead of complaining about it here. It was so clear (no pun intended) to me that the dirty window was a distraction to most people, so you better believe there was no dirty window in this week's submission. Just my two cents. :) |
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05/14/2002 04:26:34 PM · #13 |
>insert applause***< AndyLeeG4 and Yellowpeep
well said both of you!!
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05/14/2002 04:56:49 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:
Then maybe we should have a 'Duplicate This Photo' challenge so nobody gets confused.
Duplicate this challenge -- or more specifically, duplicate this technique, duplicate this subject, etc. depending on the purpose of the challenge. That's the ONLY thing you're required to do with your photo... and I think it's fair to judge that as part of the submission.
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05/14/2002 05:47:28 PM · #15 |
I'm not going to begin judging a particular photo by 'assuming' that the picture meets the challenge. I know nothing about the photographer when I am judging a photo so why should I assume anything regarding there intentions. As far as I know I may be looking at some arbitrary snapshot that someone took regardless of the topic just to see what kind of response they can get. That doesn't make any sense to me to vote like that. The whole point of this site is to take your best photograph on a given theme and to see how well the different voters think it fits the theme as well as being a great photograph. Of course we don't all think alike nor do we have they same intentions because we are all individuals. When I am judging a photo I am being asked to vote according to what 'I' think and not anyone else. What would be the point otherwise? :? }
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05/14/2002 06:40:53 PM · #16 |
I am kind of new here. Honestly I have my first picture in this weeks judging arena. And I have not received any comments at this point saying it does not meet the challenge. However, there are several pictures that did not match my personal interpretation of this challenge. I found that by looking at them for a little longer in most of them I could find something that was upside down or representative of upside down.
I think part of appreciating art it trying to "get into the artists head" (or photographer in this forum) and understand what they where thinking. I also think that everyone here is trying to meet each challenge. Who would they be trying to fool? And for what?
Besides, what a boring life we would all lead if every person involved with this site saw everything the same all the time. Imagine looking at 100 pictures of a red tulip! I sure would not invest my time here. The diversity is what makes it a great site.
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05/14/2002 07:13:02 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Dangerous_blues:
I am kind of new here. ... Imagine looking at 100 pictures of a red tulip! I sure would not invest my time here. The diversity is what makes it a great site.
welcome, db : ) ..
it's definitely takes a knack to select a challenge topic that allows a wide enough latitude for creative interpretation, but not so wide that it makes people compare apples and kiwis. . . i don't envy the site admins : )
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05/14/2002 07:20:00 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
...select a challenge topic that allows a wide enough latitude for creative interpretation, but not so wide that it makes people compare apples and kiwis. . . i don't envy the site admins : )
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they're both green... :)
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05/14/2002 07:34:58 PM · #19 |
er... i meant sea lions and tequila .. or something ..
:P)
Originally posted by amitchell:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
...select a challenge topic that allows a wide enough latitude for creative interpretation, but not so wide that it makes people compare apples and kiwis. . . i don't envy the site admins : )
they're both green... :)
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05/14/2002 08:00:49 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
er... i meant sea lions and tequila .. or something ..
:P)
if you drink tequila, you might sea lions, big pink polka dotted ones...
eh, sorry. sometimes i fail to amuse even myself!
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05/14/2002 08:05:13 PM · #21 |
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05/14/2002 08:15:11 PM · #22 |
lol. bring on the polka dotted sealions .. :)
(somehow I didn't think I'd be typing that sentence today)
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05/14/2002 11:52:57 PM · #23 |
| Well, one thing I've realise about myself is that if I don't 'get' a photo, it makes me like it more. Somehow I've been trained that way. If I don't quite understand how a photo fits the challenge, my natural assumption is that this person approached it in a unique way and I have to think about it, so it's my failure, not theirs. I can't see that as wrong! It's the way my head works. |
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05/15/2002 05:14:27 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by lisae:
Well, one thing I've realise about myself is that if I don't 'get' a photo, it makes me like it more. Somehow I've been trained that way. If I don't quite understand how a photo fits the challenge, my natural assumption is that this person approached it in a unique way and I have to think about it, so it's my failure, not theirs. I can't see that as wrong! It's the way my head works.
Well said!! I have to agree that I spend more time loking at a photo that does not immediately meet the challenge in my eye, and I try to figure out what the photographer meant. Sometimes that means a higher score when I finally "get" it. |
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