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02/24/2007 11:28:01 AM · #1
After much deliberation and testing, we have decided to disallow the practice of combining separate images in-camera for the Minimal, Basic, and Advanced rulesets. Extensive testing has shown that this feature has the potential for abuse. Entries to challenges that use the Expert Editing ruleset will still be allowed to use this in-camera feature.

Starting with the member challenge announced on Monday, February 26th and for all challenges from that point forward, entries that combine multiple files will be disqualified. This applies to images created using multiple openings of the camera's shutter mechanism, and to those created by combining previously shot images in-camera.

While this feature is available in only a few select cameras at this time (the Nikon D200 and D80, for example), any similar feature that is introduced in the future will also be ineligible. If it becomes appropriate to re-evaluate the technology, we will take up the issue at that time.

Please note that this does not affect any entries that are in the challenges open now, including the February Free Study.

The Minimal, Basic, and Advanced editing rules will be modified as follows:

"You may...use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera."

This will also eliminate the apparent disparity caused by the "You must...create your entry from a single capture" portion of the rules.

Thank you.
02/24/2007 11:34:48 AM · #2
Well i disgree but oh well. Its a basic ability for a film camera, but most film camera's dont do it either. Many SLR's and some modified point and shoot s do it to. Whatever happened to use any feature inside your camera? Should we disallow anything but the basic functions that all 100 dollar cameras have because many users have them.

I cant even do ME with my digital and im kinda pissed but oh well. Maybe we can push digital camera manufactueres to bring this feature mainstream.
02/24/2007 11:37:27 AM · #3
Since it is already banned, could you disclose what "potential for abuse" you may be talking about?
02/24/2007 11:38:07 AM · #4
SWEET! Thank you guys! I knew you would do this eventually.
02/24/2007 11:38:11 AM · #5
Does this include Multiple exposures and Image Overlay in D200? So basically anything that can be construed as such?
02/24/2007 11:39:26 AM · #6
My camera cannot (actually, my S602z from 2002 can) do it, but I disagree with this new rule. It is something basic photographic, it is strange to see it banned at a site like this.


02/24/2007 11:39:36 AM · #7
Originally posted by Cutter:

Does this include Multiple exposures and Image Overlay in D200? So basically anything that can be construed as such?


Um not to be mean but Multiple Exposures of course yes. Thats exactly what their saying. Image Overlay is already against the rules is it not?
02/24/2007 11:40:10 AM · #8
Originally posted by Azrifel:

My camera cannot (actually, my S602z from 2002 can) do it, but I disagree with this new rule. It is something basic photographic, it is strange to see it banned at a site like this.


Neither can my digital (modified my 35mm SLR todo so). My point exactly.
02/24/2007 11:40:21 AM · #9
However, doing multiple exposures with a single shutter opening is still allowed, right?

(e.g. long exposure, fire the flash multiple times, or long exposure with the lens "uncovered" multiple times)

02/24/2007 11:41:28 AM · #10
to be clear, we are only talking about the in-camera ability to combine multiple images.

from part of our discussion:

Originally posted by GeneralE:


Images created by manually covering/uncovering the lens opening or by interrupted illumination during a single long exposure are still legal.
02/24/2007 11:41:31 AM · #11
Originally posted by Cutter:

Does this include Multiple exposures and Image Overlay in D200? So basically anything that can be construed as such?


i was just thinking the same thing ...

how much in camera work is now disallowed?

the problem is that you can now do some things in your camera, and other things are illegal ... not good for consistency! :)
02/24/2007 11:41:51 AM · #12
Originally posted by dwterry:

However, doing multiple exposures with a single shutter opening is still allowed, right?

(e.g. long exposure, fire the flash multiple times, or long exposure with the lens "uncovered" multiple times)


Yes, that is still perfectly legal.
02/24/2007 11:42:07 AM · #13
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Originally posted by Cutter:

Does this include Multiple exposures and Image Overlay in D200? So basically anything that can be construed as such?


Um not to be mean but Multiple Exposures of course yes. Thats exactly what their saying. Image Overlay is already against the rules is it not?


You see, this has all come into the forefront because of me, if I am not mistaken. So, I am not being "dumb" for asking this, trust me. I suppose I could have said, "Does this include Image Overlay?"


02/24/2007 11:42:21 AM · #14
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Image Overlay is already against the rules is it not?


no, technically it's not currently illegal due to the "use any feature of your camera" clause. and it's been validated in the past.

going forward, however, it will not be allowed.
02/24/2007 11:43:03 AM · #15
Originally posted by Cutter:

"Does this include Image Overlay?"


yes.

and it's not just your entry. we've been discussing this since the D200 launched.
02/24/2007 11:43:43 AM · #16
Originally posted by Tranquil:

Since it is already banned, could you disclose what "potential for abuse" you may be talking about?


i could, but then i'd have to kill you. and i kinda like you, so that would be sad.
02/24/2007 11:44:19 AM · #17
Originally posted by muckpond:

Originally posted by Cutter:

"Does this include Image Overlay?"


yes.

and it's not just your entry. we've been discussing this since the D200 launched.


I figured, I am not conceited...haha. It has always been suspect in my mind as well...well decided everyone!
02/24/2007 11:45:19 AM · #18
Originally posted by muckpond:

Originally posted by Tranquil:

Since it is already banned, could you disclose what "potential for abuse" you may be talking about?


i could, but then i'd have to kill you. and i kinda like you, so that would be sad.


You can probably upload an older photo on your card and overlay it with a newer, but the date will be that of the newer. I guess.


02/24/2007 11:47:22 AM · #19
Originally posted by Azrifel:

Originally posted by muckpond:

Originally posted by Tranquil:

Since it is already banned, could you disclose what "potential for abuse" you may be talking about?


i could, but then i'd have to kill you. and i kinda like you, so that would be sad.


You can probably upload an older photo on your card and overlay it with a newer, but the date will be that of the newer. I guess.


thats like me stealing an image from a google images search and pasting it into a file from my camera to say its from my camera. Agsisntthe rules of course but i know ur citing an example for eabuse.

Message edited by author 2007-02-24 11:47:54.
02/24/2007 11:49:29 AM · #20
multiple overlays are a technique as old as photography itself ... it's strange that a traditional tool of photography would be disallowed while modern in camera tools such as digital IR, sepia, red eye reduction, and in camera editing tools are still allowed.

i understand there are ways that this technique can be exploited ... but i'm disappointed that a legitimate form of photographic art is now illegal in all but expert challenges.


02/24/2007 11:51:42 AM · #21
Originally posted by super-dave:

i'm disappointed that a legitimate form of photographic art is now illegal in all but expert challenges.


i've had a D200 for 6 days so, needless to say, i'm disappointed too. unfortunately, there's just no way around it.

it's good to remember that there are other reasons to shoot than just for DPC. :)

still, though, i'm gonna bust a move and figure out how to work this crazy thing so i can submit one last gasp effort to the feb. free study. :) :)

Message edited by author 2007-02-24 11:51:53.
02/24/2007 11:54:07 AM · #22
I'm not sure I agree with this sort of rule. I would like to think that as cameras increase in capability we would move with the technology. Without having the information about potential misuses then I can't support the argument to ban it.

Its like saying smoking is bad for you so we will ban cigarettes, but hey we won't tell you why they are bad for you.

Explain the reasoning please.
02/24/2007 11:56:53 AM · #23
Originally posted by muckpond:

Originally posted by super-dave:

i'm disappointed that a legitimate form of photographic art is now illegal in all but expert challenges.


i've had a D200 for 6 days so, needless to say, i'm disappointed too. unfortunately, there's just no way around it.

it's good to remember that there are other reasons to shoot than just for DPC. :)

still, though, i'm gonna bust a move and figure out how to work this crazy thing so i can submit one last gasp effort to the feb. free study. :) :)


Muck too bad the full moon aint out till March. Id do a shot of someones face in a studio lit (black background) then do a shot of the moon. Desaturate. Do it right youd have a face in the moon.
02/24/2007 12:00:30 PM · #24
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Muck too bad the full moon aint out till March. Id do a shot of someones face in a studio lit (black background) then do a shot of the moon. Desaturate. Do it right youd have a face in the moon.


what's even better is setting the camera on wide angle, then taking an exposure every 15 minutes for a few hours ... then you get a nice shot of the moon dotted across the night sky! :)
02/24/2007 12:01:31 PM · #25
Originally posted by super-dave:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Muck too bad the full moon aint out till March. Id do a shot of someones face in a studio lit (black background) then do a shot of the moon. Desaturate. Do it right youd have a face in the moon.


what's even better is setting the camera on wide angle, then taking an exposure every 15 minutes for a few hours ... then you get a nice shot of the moon dotted across the night sky! :)


At that point it would be quicker to photoshop it lol.
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