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02/22/2007 05:55:44 AM · #1
USA JAIL - SOME INTERESTING READING!!!

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA
COUNTY SHERIFF (ARIZONA) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.

These are some of the reasons why:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from
spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison
complex.

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates
for them.

He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, and took away
their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He
says: "they're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles
so they can assault innocent people when they leave."

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county
>and city projects and save taxpayer's money.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for
discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court
order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV
again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied: "so these morons will
know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is
therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he
told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't
come back."

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he
pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture
series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series
that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that
it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the
first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116
degrees just set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press
reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent
encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to
strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were chatting
in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees. "This is hell.
It feels like we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate
for 2 years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna
sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished
for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole,
only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to
live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford
to have for themselves."

Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in
the tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers
are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun,
wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed
any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected Sheriff in Maricopa County , Arizona

02/22/2007 06:04:11 AM · #2
I wish he'd come to this country and set up one of these prisons.
02/22/2007 06:31:14 AM · #3
I wished he was put in his jail for disregarding human rights.
02/22/2007 06:51:34 AM · #4
Whatever happened to the good old days when prisoners had no rights...
02/22/2007 07:05:43 AM · #5
Originally posted by eyewave:

I wished he was put in his jail for disregarding human rights.


Exactly what human rights is he violating? I think criminals give up their human rights when they commit crimes.
02/22/2007 07:09:36 AM · #6
Originally posted by eyewave:

I wished he was put in his jail for disregarding human rights.


you know, i consider myself quite liberal ... but i'm actually reading this article agreeing with some of his ideas.

prisons aren't any kind of deterrent ... and i believe (my opinion, no statistical fact to back this up) that many people come out worse than when they went into prison.

if a prison like that makes people think twice before jacking a car or raping a girl in a park ... then it's gotta be a good thing.

for all the wonderful liberal attitudes that we have, i do believe that the penal system in most western countries simply doesn't work.
02/22/2007 07:14:01 AM · #7
Noone can ever give up HUMAN RIGHTS. What you probably mean is CIVIL RIGHTS, and that's okay for me.

I think it's NOT okay to let them not keep their bodies in shape, not okay to keep them from access to information sources other than the weather channel and Newt Gingrich lectures, not okay to let them live in tents at 128 degrees (the soldiers in IRAQ are there voluntarily).

I also don't think it is okay a Nazi-Sheriff can decide all these things.
02/22/2007 07:18:38 AM · #8
Originally posted by super-dave:



for all the wonderful liberal attitudes that we have, i do believe that the penal system in most western countries simply doesn't work.


The US already have the most restrictive penal systems, still they are among the western nations with the highest crime rates. As far as I know, only Brazil and South Africa are worse.
02/22/2007 07:21:21 AM · #9
howdy partners!
I say degrade and punish all criminals, make no distictions in their crimes!, degrade them to the popint they forget they are human beings, take away their dignity! After that, when the do their time, release them into society...

I'm sure they will be smart enough with all that 'education' to no want to 'go back'


02/22/2007 07:21:37 AM · #10
Originally posted by super-dave:



i believe (my opinion, no statistical fact to back this up) that many people come out worse than when they went into prison.


Likewise, I believe that this type of prison will have more people come out worse than 'normal' or humane prisons.

Denying extreme luxury to prisoners is okay, treating them as less then animals will make them think it's okay to treat people likewise when they come out.
02/22/2007 07:27:25 AM · #11
Originally posted by eyewave:

Noone can ever give up HUMAN RIGHTS. What you probably mean is CIVIL RIGHTS, and that's okay for me.

I think it's NOT okay to let them not keep their bodies in shape, not okay to keep them from access to information sources other than the weather channel and Newt Gingrich lectures, not okay to let them live in tents at 128 degrees (the soldiers in IRAQ are there voluntarily).

I also don't think it is okay a Nazi-Sheriff can decide all these things.


i agree with the civil rights .... a prisoner should have very few civil rights - no need for weight machines, coffee and cable tv!! but i think you're right that the heat is probably a bit much.

personally, i think that prisons should be isolationist. denying contact with other humans is the ultimate punishment. this would also prevent the spread of aids, prison rape, drugs and other problems that prisons commonly have.

i don't know how you define 'restrictive' though ... i wouldn't consider an american (or any western country) prison restrictive.
02/22/2007 07:27:44 AM · #12
Banning TV, coffee, porn and smoking is not treating them like animals. Well done. And, as he said, if you don't like it, don't come back.
02/22/2007 07:36:12 AM · #13
He sounds like a top-bloke in my opinion.

For those whiny liberals, ask the victims of the crimes how they felt when they suffered and probably continue to do so after having the crimes commited on them. The victims that were not killed anyway.

One of my favourites sayings is "If you cant do the time, dont do the crime", it certainly applies here.

Great post!
02/22/2007 07:36:47 AM · #14
I once spent three months on the Bexar county Grand Jury. One of the things I found most interesting was the number of cases that came before the jury where the defendants had prior penalties and where sentenced to X number years but only served something less then X years... in fact, if they had spent their X years they would have still been in jail and not committed the new crime they were accussed of.

I know that this was just a sampling of folks that had gone bad and that there were probably examples of those who served their time and didn't recommit crimes but it was strange how many repeats there were.

02/22/2007 07:40:55 AM · #15
Originally posted by eyewave:

(the soldiers in IRAQ are there voluntarily).

Our soldiers made the choice to enlist and were sent to Iraq. These prisoners made the choice to do the crime and were sent to prison. Sounds voluntary to me.
02/22/2007 07:42:34 AM · #16
Originally posted by marksimms:

For those whiny liberals, ask the victims of the crimes how they felt when they suffered and probably continue to do so after having the crimes commited on them.


do me a favour ... i know this is a generalised argument anyway, because we're generalising about prisons, prisoners and crime.

i consider myself liberal, but i support more strict prison systems ... i agree that prisons cause more problems than they solve.

you'd probably be offended if i said that every conservative had a gun rack and lived in a trailer. so i think the whiny liberal remark is uncalled for.

read my last post about isolationist prisons ... :)

peace out bro! ;)
02/22/2007 07:49:14 AM · #17
If I had to listen to Newt Gingrich lectures on tape, it would definitely keep me from coming back.

Seriously, is there any evidence that this method actually cuts down on the rate of repeat offenses? Or does it just enable this sheriff and his supporters to feel mighty and righteous?
02/22/2007 07:49:29 AM · #18
Why not just shoot the crims?

You could start with those who confess their crimes (eg, super-dave here). As he himself recommends, a year or two in solitary should prevent him from stealing any more software and teach him the lesson of his ways.
02/22/2007 07:52:33 AM · #19
Originally posted by Matthew:

Why not just shoot the crims?

You could start with those who confess their crimes (eg, super-dave here). As he himself recommends, a year or two in solitary should prevent him from stealing any more software and teach him the lesson of his ways.


lol ...
02/22/2007 07:52:36 AM · #20
I have a friend who works for the homeless here in Ottawa. Quite a few of them commit petty crimes when winter sinks in so that they spend 3-6 months in jail. Why? They get nice warm accommodations and 3 meals a day, a library, hot showers, cable TV.... all on tax payers hard earned money. There's really something wrong with our system.
02/22/2007 07:58:21 AM · #21
Originally posted by timfythetoo:

Originally posted by eyewave:

(the soldiers in Iraq are there voluntarily).

Our soldiers made the choice to enlist and were sent to Iraq. These prisoners made the choice to do the crime and were sent to prison. Sounds voluntary to me.


True in a way, but a) not every prisoner chose to commit a crime (as in every country there might be prisoners NOT guilty of the crime they were accused), others might not have had a choice (for example, having been forced by others) and b) probably very few prisoners knew about the inhumane conditions in this specific jail and c) the soldiers are paid for what they do (not meaning I want prisoners to get paid!)
02/22/2007 07:59:50 AM · #22
Originally posted by kosmikkreeper:

I have a friend who works for the homeless here in Ottawa. Quite a few of them commit petty crimes when winter sinks in so that they spend 3-6 months in jail. Why? They get nice warm accommodations and 3 meals a day, a library, hot showers, cable TV.... all on tax payers hard earned money. There's really something wrong with our system.


You could look at this two ways: the prisons are too easy, or life as a homeless person is pretty hard.

I don't have any practical experience, but I understand that imprisonment (of itself) is a very significant deterrent. Losing control of your life for an extended period of time is a serious penalty, and should not be underestimated.

If you watch a person as they are being sentenced, you might have some appreciation of how seriously most people take a prison sentence. Depriving prisoners of all conveniences is unlikely to make imprisonment significantly more daunting a prospect - I prefer to see education rather than corporate punishment as a means of rehabilitation.
02/22/2007 07:59:53 AM · #23
First off, it seems a lot of people in this thread just tend to lump everyone in prison as being a single entity. Not all crimes have a victim. Not all crimes are violent. And, not all crimes are even committed by the people who were convicted of them. IMHO, if you want to prevent more crime, educate the people who are in there. Prison as it stands is a failed institution. Yes, people do come out far worse than before they went in. Who could really expect otherwise? Especially the young, uneducated who go in for say maybe 5 or so years. They come out still uneducated, having no way to make a living. So what do they do? They commit crimes to support themselves and end up back in prison. Circle of life? Who cares, right? Unless it's one of your own...

FWIW - I didn't see Martha Steward having it so bad. It's only the poor who end in the type of prisons first mentioned. I've yet to see a rich person do time in this type of prison.
02/22/2007 08:01:40 AM · #24
Originally posted by kosmikkreeper:

I have a friend who works for the homeless here in Ottawa. Quite a few of them commit petty crimes when winter sinks in so that they spend 3-6 months in jail. Why? They get nice warm accommodations and 3 meals a day, a library, hot showers, cable TV.... all on tax payers hard earned money. There's really something wrong with our system.


is there something wrong because we have homeless or because we don't take care of them? or simply because they find a way to have a warm room, TV and a hot-shower? you know the high-end luxuries of this world

Message edited by author 2007-02-22 08:02:16.
02/22/2007 08:03:39 AM · #25
Originally posted by Kelli:

IMHO, if you want to prevent more crime, educate the people who are in there.


I couldn't agree more. Thanks for this excellent post.
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