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02/20/2007 01:44:33 PM · #51 |
ahh, there are the details I was missing :-)
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02/20/2007 01:45:40 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As he grew older some concerned associates of his finally convinced him to limit production of his images to increase the value of the body of his work and better provide for himself and his family. He resisted this for quite a while, but eventually gave in. It was announced that he was doing a "last printing" oh his iconic images, and that after this time the negatives would be marked (not destroyed) so they could not be printed again to match the originals. If I recall correctly, the negatives were marked by punching them. |
Did you ever visit the printing plant in LA where all his non-photographic reproductions (cards, calendars, posters, etc.) are made? I've heard a lecture on the process, but never visited it. As I recall, those images are all printed as quadtones using a special combination of four gray inks. |
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02/20/2007 03:03:58 PM · #53 |
I knew the answer to this question at age 10, when I made my first blueline print using a homemade pinhole camera. That photograph was beautiful!
Blueline: a type blueprint paper that yields a positive print. The type I used required only water to develop the image. |
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02/21/2007 08:38:53 AM · #54 |
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02/21/2007 09:41:04 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As he grew older some concerned associates of his finally convinced him to limit production of his images to increase the value of the body of his work and better provide for himself and his family. |
I think that this is possibly an important aspect when assessing what we mean by fine art.
The traditional fine arts (painting, sculpture etc) are one-offs, with intrinsic value in their exclusivity. "Fine art prints" created of, say, a painting, have no little or no intrinsic value bacause they can be reproduced with ease - I would argue that while a painting may be considered fine art, prints made of it are not (not least because they are created out of commercial pressure).
In contrast to a painting, photographic prints are by their nature reproduceable. This detracts from the exclusivity of the prints and accordingly detracts from their commercial value. Additionally, there is an inherent suspicion (possibly borne out of likelihood) that the mass produced is commercialised - and therefore outside the scope of "fine art".
In order for a photograph to be considered fine art, something more needs to be done. There is a value in prints made from film by the photographer - this reintroduces the element of exclusivity. This is why Ansel Adams prints or Cartier Bresson prints made by the photographer are so much more valuable than prints made by a third party from the same film.
In digital photography, greater lengths must be gone to in order to establish an image as "fine art": all the artistry is contained in the electronic file, and there is little or no distinction between a print made by the photographer and a print from the same file by a third party.
I would argue that, for a digital photo print to be considered "fine art", it would have to be produced in solo or very limited print runs and be handsigned/numbered - possibly accompanied by the destruction of the original file. It may be necessary to take special steps, such as choosing special paper, or adding something further to the image after printing, to elevate it. Otherwise, the image could be reconceived commercially.
I think that this highlights the quirkiness of human nature and the way we place value on things - ultimately, in the context of fine art, the image itself is less important than the method of its delivery.
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02/21/2007 12:13:49 PM · #56 |
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02/21/2007 12:15:40 PM · #57 |
that's a good link. :) I love them lately.
another good link:
modern art
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02/21/2007 12:25:45 PM · #58 |
Photography is not a fine art by itself, merely a way of reproduction. It can become fine art by using it in the right way. Much like writing in fact.
DPC -or any internet community for that matter- will probably not recognize fine art if it came by. Again, much like writing.
I don't have any problems with that, it's just that we should recognize that the shallow nature of the medium creates a selection bias that may lead people to believe that photography can not be fine art if they were to base their judgement on what they see at DPC. |
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02/21/2007 01:56:33 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
another good link:
modern art |
Nice site but too bad that their server is soooooooo pain ... ful ... ly ... SLOW!
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02/21/2007 02:13:02 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Nice site but too bad that their server is soooooooo pain ... ful ... ly ... SLOW! |
true, it's irritating sometimes to wait for my images to upload. nice photos there anyway! |
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02/21/2007 02:35:15 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I wonder why these threads come up so often. Are we that insecure in what we do? Do we need to be defined? |
I think some people have such a strong need for order that it is just too distressing for something to not fit neatly inside a box. |
VERY WELL PUT
BRUCE
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02/21/2007 06:50:39 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by BruceSmith:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I wonder why these threads come up so often. Are we that insecure in what we do? Do we need to be defined? |
I think some people have such a strong need for order that it is just too distressing for something to not fit neatly inside a box. |
BRUCE |
It is not order that I am after.
It is thought, insight, and discussion that I am after.
However, if order is what you want, then I order you to eat cheese puffs.
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