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Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

02/12/2007 12:43:02 PM · #1

Just thinkin' out loud...

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hanneke

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

02/12/2007 12:45:58 PM · #2

shhhhh... don't think out loud, they won't hear you!

oh by the way, make that a masters free study 1 ribbon or more... please :D

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/12/2007 01:17:46 PM · #3

While I'm all for it, the last time this was brought up things got all up in arms as only DPC can do. It even led to a survey which indicated that the majority wanted one (with either 2 or 3 ribbons as the cutoff) and we still didn't get one, so I doubt it will happen.

The last argument about all this...

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ralph

Nikon Z9

02/12/2007 01:21:58 PM · #4

since we've had a proliferation of multiple challenges no reason we couldn't have a Masters & "everybody else" challenge at the same time ;)

danielv

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

02/12/2007 01:30:20 PM · #5

edit: FWIW I had no ribbons at the time of this post ;)

You won't believe it (and won't care) but I was about to start a thread on this very topic when I found yours!

I fully agree we should have such a challenge. Actually I would love to see it regularly (like once every quarter? we could give it a season's name like the summer master challenge or whatever).

It should definitely be limited to ribbon winners, although I think 1 ribbon should be enough (it's more a matter of principle than really deciding what threshold is correct - there is no correct one).

Those who have not yet received a ribbon (like me a most people around) can always have fun with all the other challenges. And I would be very keen to rate and comment on a challenge that would have an above-average set of entries. And it would be my challenge to one day become, also, a "master" a be allonwed in these specific challenges.

Having read a bit the older thread, I think some people around here truely take this too seriously. I would definitely call it a master's challenge, keep the ribbon criteria, and would forget all the fuss about "does ribbon=master". Of course we are all masters, but we need to give some character to such a challenge, otherwise the very interest of it is completely diluted.

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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/12/2007 02:16:20 PM · #6

Well, you can't please everyone, I say make it even more stringent, 4 ribbons or more.

I think the multiple ribboners should be recognized, it's certainly something I've found to be difficult to achieve. Also, it seemed to have brought out the best in those that participated last time. There is nothing like narrowing the field to sharpen ones resolve to achieve. Just look at what the WPL has done for some people.

Winning another ribbon is not necessarily a spectacular achievement anymore for someone like Scalvert (easiest name that pops to mind), but winning a ribbon against others who have show some of your own consistency has something a bit more sweet about it, IMO.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

02/12/2007 02:20:38 PM · #7

Originally posted by wavelength:

Well, you can't please everyone, I say make it even more stringent, 4 ribbons or more.

How many 4+ ribboners do you think are currently active?

I don't know the answer, but I bet it's somewhere in the 20-40 range. That would be a pretty small challenge.

OTOH, 1 ribbon may be too many. If we did it, I'd like to see it have about 100 entries (like the last one), so people can dwell on the shots a little longer when voting.

hanneke

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

02/12/2007 02:29:36 PM · #8

yeah, 1-ribboners might be a bit too much.

but I have to say I wouldn't feel comfortable with all these great photographers. winning chance: 0.01 % :P

it would be a fun challenge to watch.

BakerBug

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 28-200 f/3.5 - 5.6 USM

02/12/2007 02:31:30 PM · #9

I would love to see a Masters Free Study!!! I don't qualify (and probably won't for quite a while) but I think it is a great idea to throw down the gauntlet for the ribbon winners and see what they can come up with.

I really hope people don't start to cry about it not being fair for those who don't have ribbons. There is nothing wrong with having an extra challenge for those that have proven themselves.

02/12/2007 02:41:05 PM · #10

make it expert rules too...

02/12/2007 03:06:45 PM · #11

Originally posted by Gordon:

make it expert rules too...

Minimal would be pretty interesting too ;), but yeah, whatever floats Langdon's boat ;)

Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH

02/12/2007 03:09:07 PM · #12

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Gordon:
make it expert rules too...

Minimal would be pretty interesting too ;), but yeah, whatever floats Langdon's boat ;)

I think minimal is a great set of rules for learning to get things right in camera. Forces you to use the camera properly, to get the best starting point for post processing. Other than though, I think it is restrictive without good reason for final results. Particularly given most pro cameras are designed to not give good results straight from the camera, but to give the best starting point for post processing (least that's Canon's design philosophy for their 1-series bodies)

Mephisto

Nikon Coolpix A

02/12/2007 03:18:11 PM · #13

oh yaeh i would love to see one, too!
but with honorable mention and/or ribbon cutoff...;)
and basic editing imo

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

02/12/2007 03:33:54 PM · #14

Originally posted by mouten:

I would definitely call it a master's challenge, keep the ribbon criteria, and would forget all the fuss about "does ribbon=master". Of course we are all masters, but we need to give some character to such a challenge, otherwise the very interest of it is completely diluted.

I never quite understood the fuss. In the sports I compete in, 'Masters' is the term used for those who are too old and decrepit to compete fairly in an open field.

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

02/12/2007 03:34:37 PM · #15

Maybe we could temper it with a challenge for folks with no ribbons, or even those with an average between 5 and 6, or something along those lines.

Tamron SP AF 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 AD Aspherical IF for Canon

02/12/2007 03:35:44 PM · #16

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by mouten:
I would definitely call it a master's challenge, keep the ribbon criteria, and would forget all the fuss about "does ribbon=master". Of course we are all masters, but we need to give some character to such a challenge, otherwise the very interest of it is completely diluted.

I never quite understood the fuss. In the sports I compete in, 'Masters' is the term used for those who are too old and decrepit to compete fairly in an open field.

Pro Golf?

nards656

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

02/12/2007 03:41:14 PM · #17

From the world famous and much abused Wikipedia...

Originally posted by Wikipedia:

After its replacement in common speech by Mister, Master was retained as an address for boys or young men. By the late 19th Century, etiquette dictated that men be addressed as Mister, boys under 13 years old be addressed as Master, and from 13 to the age of majority males not be accorded courtesy titles.

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macrothing

Fujifilm FinePix 2800Z

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

11/11/2007 01:00:54 AM · #18

I think it is high time we had another Masters Challenge. Give them plenty of notice though. Perhaps even send out custom PMs.

Again, fun to vote on... not that many entries... etc.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

11/11/2007 01:11:34 AM · #19

Anything that brings back the photographers like kiwiness, heida, librodo, joey, etc., I'm all for!

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

11/11/2007 08:48:04 AM · #20

Why not think about other criteria than the number of ribbons? I think, consistent good placing is more important for qualifying as a master. For example, an average of 6+ along with a participation in 50+ challenges? Or 100+ favorited photographs? Or at least one ribbon in minimal/basic and advanced/expert editing challenges?

bmartuch

Nikon D7200

Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G

11/11/2007 08:54:35 AM · #21

If you can have a special free study for just the ribbon winners, than why don't we get to have a free study for people that have given more comments than received, or have cast more votes than received.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/11/2007 08:56:35 AM · #22

Originally posted by bmartuch:

Given more comments than received has been done several times, actually.

~Terry