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02/05/2007 02:13:23 AM · #1
Not wanting to hijack ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' noisemaker thread I will open up the discussion here.
02/05/2007 02:14:17 AM · #2
so why do you think since im underage i should not be allowed to photograph nudes?
02/05/2007 02:14:19 AM · #3
my quote from there that I removed:

Originally posted by rex:

not meaning to stir the pot but IMO if you are a photogrpaher under the legal age of 18 then you should not be allowed to participate in a Nude Challenge in any way.

I am not wanting to fight anyone just would like to see a formal discussion on this.


I stand by it.

02/05/2007 02:14:38 AM · #4
Originally posted by rex:

not meaning to stir the pot but IMO if you are a photogrpaher under the legal age of 18 then you should not be allowed to participate in a Nude Challenge in any way.

I am not wanting to fight anyone just would like to see a formal discussion on this.


Look if an 18 year old can bar back and a 16 year old can sell cigareetes at a gas station.... i have no problem with a 16 year old photographer doing nudes

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:14:57.
02/05/2007 02:15:31 AM · #5
my age shouldnt restrict what i can and cannot shoot. i may have the age of 16 but i can handle myself and have the maturity of an age older than me.

my quote from the original thread
02/05/2007 02:15:59 AM · #6
I don't know that it's an opinion issue as much as it is a legal one.
02/05/2007 02:17:03 AM · #7
Originally posted by noisemaker:


my age shouldnt restrict what i can and cannot shoot. i may have the age of 16 but i can handle myself and have the maturity of an age older than me.


Yes, and you definitely proved that after the DQ. I still give you a big bravo on the way you handled yourself.

I think that noisemake, more than proved after his DQ that he can handle himself as an adult. I really don't think the age of the photographer is an issue. It's only the age of the model that could get DPC into doodoo.
02/05/2007 02:17:31 AM · #8
Originally posted by noisemaker:

my age shouldnt restrict what i can and cannot shoot. i may have the age of 16 but i can handle myself and have the maturity of an age older than me.

my quote from the original thread


I never said you couldn't handle yourself. I stated my opinion. If showing a photo of someone under the age of 18 is illegal then my opijnion is the person taking a nude photo should not be underage as well. Now proving that is harder than most will think.

Now answer this. Did it ever cross your mind that your girlfriend was underage and that could cause a problem?

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:18:21.
02/05/2007 02:18:11 AM · #9
@rex: If you want a formal discussion, why not start of with a couple of arguments?

Why do you think a 16-year old photographer should not be allowed to photograph nudes?
02/05/2007 02:18:13 AM · #10
in noisemaker's defence, i am more concerned with underage models.

however, rex does raise an interesting point. legally, a photographer may need parental consent to shoot nudes.

morally and ethically, i don't have a problem with a 16+ photographer or model ... as long as both are mature enough for the work and it's tastefully done.

legally is a different issue ...
02/05/2007 02:18:41 AM · #11
I think someone is jealous his nude portfolio didn't start until after 18. DOn't be hehe mine started after graduation... it was completely by accident but when people start getting nude and you have a camera......
02/05/2007 02:21:47 AM · #12
Strangely, a lot of discussion is given to the subject being underage. The person behind the camera being underage? Hmm. If the subject were of a legal age in whatever place he/she resided in and the photographer were under the same legal age I would say that I wouldn't see any problem with that. On the other hand, a minor cannot go into a strip club. A large part of that is the availability of alcohol but its also considered improprer for minors viewing nudity. However, strip clubs are designed to be erotic rather than artful.

So my opinion? If noisemaker can find a model old enough to photograph let him and let him submit. After all, if we stop him from submitting then we also have to stop him from viewing nudes and I honestly don't see a problem with that (him viewing) based on the types of nude images we have on this site. If a parent disagrees with that notion then that is their right but they would also prevent their child from taking nude pictures as well.

***edited for clarity***

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:23:28.
02/05/2007 02:21:53 AM · #13
Originally posted by super-dave:

in noisemaker's defence, i am more concerned with underage models.

however, rex does raise an interesting point. legally, a photographer may need parental consent to shoot nudes.

morally and ethically, i don't have a problem with a 16+ photographer or model ... as long as both are mature enough for the work and it's tastefully done.

legally is a different issue ...

does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites?

02/05/2007 02:22:25 AM · #14
I'm gonna go see if I can find some legal precedence on it... but I'm pretty sure it's gonna come up nil.

If anyone else wants to look, remember that the photog would be considered under Canadian law, not US law (unlike the model).
02/05/2007 02:22:48 AM · #15
Originally posted by noisemaker:


does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites?


EMphasis on the porn sites.... in the US you legally have to be 18 to view also!
02/05/2007 02:23:09 AM · #16
Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

my age shouldnt restrict what i can and cannot shoot. i may have the age of 16 but i can handle myself and have the maturity of an age older than me.

my quote from the original thread


I never said you couldn't handle yourself. I stated my opinion. If showing a photo of someone under the age of 18 is illegal then my opijnion is the person taking a nude photo should not be underage as well. Now proving that is harder than most will think.

Now answer this. Did it ever cross your mind that your girlfriend was underage and that could cause a problem?

and i was really just too excited and proud of my image that the who age thing slipped my mind
02/05/2007 02:23:32 AM · #17
Well if all you parents would put your daughter in either position does that change your opinion?

If your daughter is being photogrpahed by a male photographer that is 16 or 22.

How would you fell if she was 16 and the photographer was 16?

How would you feel if she was 16 and the photogrpaher was 22?

How would you feel if she was 22 and the phgotographer was 22?

How would you feel if she was 22 and the photographer was 16?

02/05/2007 02:24:20 AM · #18
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:

Originally posted by noisemaker:


does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites?


EMphasis on the porn sites.... in the US you legally have to be 18 to view also!

but so many still do that are <18 and do you think they ask mommy and daddy if they can look? no.

why not put more security on that?

02/05/2007 02:24:43 AM · #19
Here in the UK, the age of consent is 16. If at 16 young people are deemed old enough to have sex, it seems rather strange that they would not be deemed old enough to take a photograph of a naked body. Should they also be banned from life drawing in art classes? The issue of the model's age is more pertinent, and I haven't fully formulated my own views here.
02/05/2007 02:25:18 AM · #20
Originally posted by Citadel:

So my opinion? If noisemaker can find a model old enough to photograph let him and let him submit. After all, if we stop him from submitting then we also have to stop him from viewing nudes and I honestly don't see a problem with that (him viewing) based on the types of nude images we have on this site. If a parent disagrees with that notion then that is their right but they would also prevent their child from taking nude pictures as well.



Does this hold true for the 8 - 12 year olds on this site as well?
02/05/2007 02:25:19 AM · #21
Originally posted by rex:

Well if all you parents would put your daughter in either position does that change your opinion?

If your daughter is being photogrpahed by a male photographer that is 16 or 22.


WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH

HOLD IT.

You said "then my opijnion is the person taking a nude photo should not be underage as well."

You said NOTHING about the underage photographers GENDER! Now your playing one side of it.

Originally posted by rex:


Does this hold true for the 8 - 12 year olds on this site as well?


anyone udner 13 needs special permisison ot be on here to begin with. Its easir to write them off saying they cant enter the nude challenges. I know thats a double standard which we are at the moment arguing but more so maybe the parents that give the kids permisison to be on here need to moniter their entry's.

Message edited by author 2007-02-05 02:27:06.
02/05/2007 02:26:55 AM · #22
Originally posted by noisemaker:

does a <18 year old need consent to dip into daddys dirty magazines?
what about free porn sites?


dude ... i'm on your side and i'm not talking about my beliefs, i'm talking about what's legal!! actually read what i say before quoting me and misrepresenting my statements.

free porn sites are for 18+ only ... hence the disclaimers ... but kids surfing porn at home is still techically illegal, even though nothing cnan be done about it.

i agree with fotoman that you handled yourself very professionally after your DQ. you admitted that your model was underange (you could have lied) and you didn't bitch and grumble about the DQ.

i have no problem with you shooting nudes mate!!

i'm saying that DPC has to consider the legality of it.

btw, don't use facetious arguments to justify your point. two wrongs don't make a right. just because you can flip through daddy's playboys without getting caught, doesn't have any bearing on whether you can legally photograph naked women! :o) <--- that's a smilie, means i'm saying this in a light hearted and jovial fashion. LOL
02/05/2007 02:27:11 AM · #23
Originally posted by rex:

Well if all you parents would put your daughter in either position does that change your opinion?


Not sure if we should go with the "How you'd feel" route. Seems this should be more of a legal quest.

We can pretty much assume under US LAW, that the shot itself could get DPC into trouble and even if a "not guilty" charger were passed that the financial burden would be stiff...

But, what we don't know is what kind of legal issues could come up with the photographer. Remember though that his parent or guardian did sign a legal waiver for him to participate.


02/05/2007 02:27:28 AM · #24
Originally posted by rainmotorsports:


WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH

HOLD IT.

You said "then my opinion is the person taking a nude photo should not be underage as well."

You said NOTHING about the underage photographers GENDER! Now your playing one side of it.


Sorry I only have 2 girls so I tend to use a female scenario more often. The same would hold true for me if I had a son.
02/05/2007 02:28:00 AM · #25
Hey dave to not clutter this oe up try to leave the legality of his photo out of it. I have no room to talk justw ant to keep it ont he end of the photographer being udnerage!
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