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02/02/2007 06:40:49 PM · #51 |
i have absolutely no idea what it is now. i guess post post modernism whould do it, but i never really grasped post modernism to begin with. as the uni was so 'pracitcal' wheni i did my year at the art college, i was completely lost with the 'talking' side of things. i'll never forget getting a photocopied aricle to read, for a photography course, that was peppered with the terms de-con and po-mo. these were mnot defined anywhere in the piece,a nd i had no idea what they were. i felt such a fool.
now i realise it was the author's fault for using too much jargon...
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02/02/2007 06:41:37 PM · #52 |
svetlana, that degree sounds so fascinating. but, yeah, talking does get a little much after a while...
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02/02/2007 06:45:17 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by xianart:
ii'll never forget getting a photocopied aricle to read, for a photography course, that was peppered with the terms de-con and po-mo. these were mnot defined anywhere in the piece,a nd i had no idea what they were. i felt such a fool.
now i realise it was the author's fault for using too much jargon... |
deconstruction and post modern?:) hehe, I used to read many things like that. how stupid I was feeling, wow...:)
yeah, that degree was about russian culture mostly.
strange enough no one seems to be interested in it here in Norway now:)... fascinating but absolutely useless. |
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02/02/2007 07:06:38 PM · #54 |
My only picture of Italy that's online. I guess since I'm in the picture I didn't take it.
//blackyak.com/poetry/venezia.html
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02/03/2007 12:06:55 AM · #55 |
My nude 400 votes score.
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02/03/2007 05:41:00 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
Originally posted by xianart:
fi forced an ex-boyfriend and his car racing brother to watch blow up when i was in art college. poor men - the tried to be nice and polite, but they really ahad no interest. gawd, i was mean... ;-)
mind you, i love that film, and could watch it over and over... |
I envy you and your art college (how much I want to study art!) and that you actually watched that film.
I haven't!! I was more inspired by my image of that film than the film itself. I've never seen it. I couldn't find it anywhere in Russia (we don't buy things over internet there) and even in Rome - no one had it!
so i only read the description. it was enough to inpire me for the whole italy tour:))
but some days ago I found it on internet and will order soon.
I will expecially since you like it!! |
Check out play.com
There's usually no import duty on DVDs, videos etc.
What do you make of the photography in Erlik magasine? (That's the one the winos and dope-heads around town sell as an alternative to begging on the street).
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02/03/2007 05:53:54 AM · #57 |
| A=Oslo ? :) I haven't bought it for a while. I remember they had a lot of huuuge photos, mostly b&w. why? |
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02/03/2007 06:14:55 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
I used to buy b&w fine art photography mag, but i don't anymore. everything is blurred, sad, mad, static and frozen. I mean those are excellent images in their mood and intention and everyhting but it doesn't touch me. there are actually very few that really did touch me. I can't understand why. :( |
I just wondered if the stuff in =Oslo were any kind of antidote to the above. Maybe not - blurred, check - sad, check - mad, check - static? - frozen?
I haven't taken that close a look at it, and I presumably buy it in order to stack up credits in my cosmic bank account, but it all seems so very opposite to dpc standards (I don't understand this picture, sorry, 1 - what is the point of focus, 3 - dnmc, 1 - noisy, etc.)
:D
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02/03/2007 06:22:40 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by raish:
I just wondered if the stuff in =Oslo were any kind of antidote to the above. Maybe not - blurred, check - sad, check - mad, check - static? - frozen?
I haven't taken that close a look at it, and I presumably buy it in order to stack up credits in my cosmic bank account, but it all seems so very opposite to dpc standards (I don't understand this picture, sorry, 1 - what is the point of focus, 3 - dnmc, 1 - noisy, etc.)
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:P hehe, yeah, probably, as well as "acid urban" is also a kind of antidote. the thing is that in b&w ART photography, in those issues that I bought at least, the photos are almost the same - the same mood, sadness rules. so I started thinking about it.
of course there have always been "alternative" , underground etc, etc things.
but this is what they printed in their magazine and this is what they call "fine art" now. what is actually fine art?
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02/03/2007 06:59:04 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
...what is actually fine art? |
ooo, svetlana, can o' worms!
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02/03/2007 07:24:24 AM · #61 |
While we're opening cans of worms...
Where and how, if at all, do esthetic values depart from conventions?
ETA the reason I sling such a pretentious question up in the air is by way of saying that I see mini-convention everywhere. DPC has it, urban grafitti has it, ART b&w photography has it - just as Svetlana pointed out. Everything/everyone dives back into the womb of whatever flavour of the month they're at...
Message edited by author 2007-02-03 07:27:42.
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02/03/2007 08:08:50 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by raish:
Everything/everyone dives back into the womb of whatever flavour of the month they're at... |
Nicely put, Raish. True edginess is increasingly difficult to achieve. Harkens back to the old philosophical question of whether or not there are any original thoughts left to be had.
Sometimes I am afraid to even try and be original. I keep telling myself I take a lot of 'cute animal photos' in order to improve technically before I try and dive into the realm of artistry. In reality, I'm probably scared I'll fail at anything that requires real depth.
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02/03/2007 09:29:25 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
Sometimes I am afraid to even try and be original. I keep telling myself I take a lot of 'cute animal photos' in order to improve technically before I try and dive into the realm of artistry. In reality, I'm probably scared I'll fail at anything that requires real depth.
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:) and Ihaven't even taken any bird photos...
when I started taking photos some months ago I was just having fun.
I thought I was so original:) but then Don ( posthumous) told me my pictures remind him of Magritte...who is Magritte?? never heard of him before. and then I started reading about him and everyone else. the more I read the more disappointed with myself I was getting. everything has been done already!! I was just repeating, not copying but still - post modernism at its best:)
but then I also remembered how the "great masters" were working: they were copying others works all the time!
so I decided to learn and experiment as much as possible.
something will definitely come with practice, I don't know what, but it will come
:)
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02/03/2007 09:59:04 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
so I decided to learn and experiment as much as possible.
something will definitely come with practice, I don't know what, but it will come
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I think you are already developing your own unique signature. You seem especially adept at combining 'mundane' objects - ie the piece of Norwegian flatbread you mentioned - to create a recognizably "silverfoxx" piece. I've noticed also your technique improving so that you may be able to achieve more accurately whatever vision you have in your head.
I've been collecting a lot of interesting props lately. I have a lot of ideas in my head that I don't yet know how to translate to photo paper. Sometimes I feel so frustrated. I do feel, like you, that with practice it will come. At least I know I have been steadily improving technically, if nothing else. |
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02/03/2007 10:14:31 AM · #65 |
Sometimes I would like to be recognized, because that says that your unique and have a certain style. But on the other hand, I would like to do a lot of different things so that I am "growing" as a photographer to the point where it is never recognized.
There are certain types of photography I'm afraid of. Portraits for one. I always have this feeling that people don't really want their picture taken. That's why I don't take candids either. I really envy Joey Lawrences' ability to take great candids. I'm always afraid that people will say "Get that F'n camera out of here".
I love to take pictures of old run-down buildings. Where I live, there are way too many of them. It's good from a photography standpoint but bad from an economic development standpoint. The problem is that I can't always find a challenge to get them into.
Then it takes me back to where I started that I don't want to do the same thing over and over.
HELP!!! |
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02/03/2007 10:18:53 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by raish:
While we're opening cans of worms...
Where and how, if at all, do esthetic values depart from conventions? |
Pure convention is free of esthetic value. A convention just lodges into a comfortable portion of your head. There is no true brain activity for the viewer. To achieve esthetic value, you must depart from convention.
As to  silverfoxx, let me be clear that I was praising her with my comparisons. Artists work in a tradition. A tradition is not the same as a convention, because the tradition is an everchanging thing. The tradition makes the artist, but then the artist makes the tradition. Thinking of the traditions, studying them, can help relieve the sort of anxiety that noraneko speaks of, even though this same anxiety is what makes one hesitate to go anywhere near the tradition!
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02/03/2007 10:28:55 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
As to silverfoxx, let me be clear that I was praising her with my comparisons. Artists work in a tradition. A tradition is not the same as a convention, because the tradition is an everchanging thing. The tradition makes the artist, but then the artist makes the tradition. Thinking of the traditions, studying them, can help relieve the sort of anxiety that noraneko speaks of, even though this same anxiety is what makes one hesitate to go anywhere near the tradition! |
thank you so much Don,
:)
I know! and it was so great to hear, I just didn't think about the tradition part your were talking about until now. you are right.
this is probably what I am doing now: studying the traditions. it is exciting!
why is it so hard when you start analysing things? it's better not to think:)
HELLO DON! I forgot to say hello :)
Message edited by author 2007-02-03 10:34:37. |
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02/03/2007 10:34:01 AM · #68 |
I currently have a shot in for Free Study and Shallow DOF. My DOF isn't doing so well, I can tell by the comments. I haven't looked at the score yet. I had a much better one but the snow was blowing that day and it got on the lens. Since I'm not allowed to clone out snow spots on the lens, I chose a different shot that wasn't nearly as good.
My free study has two so-so comments. Haven't looked at the score of that either. I don't think I'm going to see them till the challenge is over. I really do like this shot though. I think it came out well but generally, the crowd doesn't like what I like. Actually, I decided to go "cute" again this time.
I also have a shot in for Personification. Now this one is a little off-the-wall. I guess it depends on whether people consider this a "person". Technically, it's nothing fancy, it's just the idea that's out-there.
Of course I know that I can always count on you guys to be there.
God I love Team Suck. |
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02/03/2007 10:44:48 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by raish:
While we're opening cans of worms...
Where and how, if at all, do esthetic values depart from conventions? |
Pure convention is free of esthetic value. A convention just lodges into a comfortable portion of your head. There is no true brain activity for the viewer. To achieve esthetic value, you must depart from convention. |
Hmm. Funny you should mention that. Hang on, no, you didn't mention it.
Well then. What you posted up there is a (good) (??) definition of esthetic value. It's a working definition and it's your definition. Good.
Still n all, as you didn't mention definition then I can't say it's funny that you mentioned it. Shame, because I was just thinking about the definition of the term 'definition'.
Woop ee do.
Mathematicians define terms. Scientists probably have to as well. Thus a scientist may tell me that my heating system is efficient, because it delivers an optimum amount of heat energy for the fuel it uses, whereas I myself find it terribly inefficient, because I'm freezing my arse off. The scientist's use of the term is according to her definition, whereas mine is a reflection of common usage.
Scientists define terms, dictionaries give a guide to common usage.
I think that the common usage of the term 'esthetic values' accords with convention and that the values themselves are also conventional (by common reference).
I also think that this would be interesting to discuss but that I am already way out of my depth. Not waving...
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02/03/2007 10:46:32 AM · #70 |
Sorry I wasn't in the same conversation most of you were in. I was adding on to something that noraneko said.
silverfoxx, I think that you are the epitome of an "artist". I have a question. Do you draw really well too? After seeing your photography, I've thought that you must be very artistic overall. |
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02/03/2007 11:07:20 AM · #71 |
thank you so much Bob, but I draw a bit only for myself. I am not good at it.
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02/03/2007 11:50:33 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
thank you so much Bob, but I draw a bit only for myself. I am not good at it. |
hmm... just like you're a beginning photographer? ;)
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02/03/2007 12:20:15 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
I currently have a shot in for Free Study and Shallow DOF. My DOF isn't doing so well, I can tell by the comments. I haven't looked at the score yet. |
Hi Bob! I envy your ability to turn your scores off. I just can't do it. Must have instant gratification...am I a product of society or my own pointy little brain? (Just kidding, really not trying to open that can of worms!)
Question for all suckers out there? What things have most helped you to improve your photography? For me, it has been reading about exposure and taking a class on lighting. Up until I joined DPC (Oct) I thought taking great photos was just a matter of a good eye and natural ability. What a laugh. Now I think 99% of the photos I took prior to that class suck. I'm sure I'll think 99% of my current photos suck in a few more months.
I'd like to start studying art history - I get the feeling it has been helpful for Svetlana. My hubby, who has a degree in art (lighting design) keeps pushing me in that direction, as well...
Anyway, would be interested to hear your thoughts. And hi to Don as well. |
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02/03/2007 01:19:35 PM · #74 |
Hi Don! Is there a reason we are all saying hi to Don? I seem to be lost...
On another note, I'm going crazy with nothing to update! I WILL find something for personification before tomorrow.
On a personal note, I think Friday might have been my last day at work. Hooray! I was about to lose my mind. I'll explain a bit (if anyone cares). I interviewed for an office manager job for an adult technical school for LPN's. The owner told me that the schools accreditation was being called into question for a licencing matter but it was a misunderstanding and it was currently in court to be rectified. In the meantime, they had massive layoffs and needed someone to run the skeleton staff. I was to have a director over me (who was under her), but I would be in charge of the office staff. Also, the person I was replacing was to train me. They still had sally mae loan payments coming in from the government, so she assured me that I would get paid. The interview was on a Saturday, I interviewed with the director on Tuesday, Thursday she asked if I could start Friday. I did. When I got there I found out both the person I was replacing and the director were fired the day before, but she would be available by cell phone for any questions that I had and that the current staff of 3 in the office could help me out. The "staff" were new and knew nothing of what was going on. The 2 teachers that were there were angry and no help, the student body was in rebellion. She wanted me to figure out who owed payments and collect it and get transcripts to the last graduated class. I lived in hell for 2 weeks. The phone rang non stop from people who have been duped into paying tuition for classes they didn't get to start or who had dropped and not received their refunds, bill collectors, all the utilities had shut off notices, etc. Sally Mae cut off loan payments. After the second week I called in payroll. Two checks bounced. I could go on and on. On Friday, I faxed in my payroll info to the payroll company for myself (just so it would be on record somewhere). Friday she showed up about 4pm, told me she couldn't take anymore was was going to file bankruptcy. We were going to leave when a contractor showed up. She hid in the back and told me to tell him she wasn't there. The doors were locked and I thought he couldn't get in when he showed me he had a key. I got scared. He said he wouldn't come in but he refused to leave to her car was in the lot. She finally wrote him a small check sent me out to pay him and he left. She said she'd call me Sunday night and let me know what was going on. No one else was there (she had fired one of the other office staff on Tuesday and the others husband was in the hospital and called out). On one hand I feel sorry for her, on the other she's very callous. Even if she calls I don't want to go back, but I really need to get my pay from her and I'm afraid if I don't go back I won't get it. Whew! It felt good to unload. Any opinions?
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02/03/2007 03:02:12 PM · #75 |
Wow, Kelli, what a freakin' nightmare! You definitely need to get your money from her. She's not the world's best business person, it seems. Though I do wonder if you'll be able to get any money from her. I do wish you the very best of luck in all of that, though. Sorry it turned out to be such a crappy job, too. :-(
I'm in Italy on expensive internet time. 5 euro for 50 minutes (which seems expensive to me.) Didn't get to see much when we got here but it reminds me a bit of the older parts of Ventura, California. Not fancy, mostly working class type area. And sadly, I have no transportation at all. So I have a free day tomorrow, but not sure what I can do with it. I can wander the beach, which could be a very nice way to spend the day. Just don't expect lots of pictures. If you want, go revisit Jayson's website - that's the Italy I kinda hoped to find but will have to find it the next time I'm here, when I come on my own time and get a car! |
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