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01/29/2007 01:22:11 AM · #1 |
full version will be available on 2/19, and will cost $299 :-( well, there is also a $199 intro price. more info at arstechnica
not sure if there will be a bundle with CS-3 (looks like that probably won't be the case), but otherwise I'm probably gonna get the academic version of aperture ($99), even though I really like some of LR's features. I like aperture's library management and tagging better, but so far I like the image manipulation in lightroom better. |
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01/29/2007 01:26:53 AM · #2 |
I've had and sorta-used the beta for a while now and I find it clunky and inconvenient. Good for a couple of functions, like batch rename, or keywording, etc... but for real workflow, I'm just not fond of it. *in my neanderthal opinion (IMNO)*
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01/29/2007 01:34:03 AM · #3 |
I am supposed to get a free version as a paid RSP user. I've never found the beta really usable though, whereas RSP rocks. I guess I'll have to give the final a try and hope for the best. Knowing Adobe, this version won't do it for me, and the next one will, requiring a paid upgrade :(
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01/29/2007 01:43:08 AM · #4 |
| i love it, i always use it for my raw then convert over to photoshop |
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01/29/2007 01:43:43 AM · #5 |
| I also tried Lightroom. I still can't pull myself away from Iview. The tagging is better and easier for me in Iview. I wish IView could do some the of the image manipulation that Lightroom does though. |
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01/29/2007 02:05:24 AM · #6 |
I have also found it extremely clunky, but otherwise I love it. Hoping the new release fixes this.
The only thing I can't seem to do is copy title and/or keywords from one image to several others. Can anybody enlighten me or suggest another app for this. I'm trying imatch currently and I like the fact that it actually writes the data to the file so you don't have to create an export as in lightroom.
Picasa2 is also good for some functions but I would love to find an app that 'does it all'. |
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01/29/2007 09:22:25 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I am supposed to get a free version as a paid RSP user. I've never found the beta really usable though, whereas RSP rocks. I guess I'll have to give the final a try and hope for the best. Knowing Adobe, this version won't do it for me, and the next one will, requiring a paid upgrade :( |
I am in the same position - RSP is so fast, and effectively implements all the most important features (even if Lightshop is better for fine tweaking).
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01/29/2007 09:52:44 AM · #8 |
I still use RSP for all of my quick projects (i.e. getting wedding day photos ready in time for the reception). But I've been trying to move over to Lightroom. I'm hoping the final version is incredibly faster and less clunky... I do like Lightroom's image manipulation though.
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01/29/2007 10:01:05 AM · #9 |
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01/29/2007 10:02:10 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Federico:
uhm.... RSP is? |
RawShooter Premium (discontinued because Adobe bought it out)
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01/29/2007 10:02:39 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Federico:
uhm.... RSP is? |
Raw Shooter Pro - no longer available as the company was bought out by Adobe.
You might still be able to find Raw Shooter Elements - the freeware version.
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01/29/2007 10:26:08 AM · #12 |
| For those looking for a good, free converter, RSE (Raw Shooter Essentials) is still available free, but will disappear soon after Lightroom is released. Get it while you can. |
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01/29/2007 10:32:54 AM · #13 |
| I've been using the beta for a while now and like it much better than RSP. I do most of my editing in Lightroom now with very little done in Photoshop. Even resizing, printing, web gallery creation can be done in Lightroom. I haven't tried the web gallery yet but it seems to be quite flexible with the choice between html and flash. |
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01/29/2007 12:02:29 PM · #14 |
What did people expect - This is Adobe, although I was expecting a little higher to be to be honest.
Hopefully the full version of LR will be a LOT better then the betas but I am not holding my breath given the belligerence of Adobe to make this useful for people why don't work the way Adobe tells them to work. I am waiting till the prod release before I figure if I will bother installing the freebie(RSP refugee).
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01/30/2007 08:24:32 PM · #15 |
Does anyone know how we RSP users will "claim" our freebie? I am going to try the beta again tonight, just to refresh my memory. I'm hoping they will develop it into a real RSP replacement, but I am not holding my breath.
BTW - I've been working on the trial with Lightzone, and so far I like that far better than lightroom. Problem is that it's pretty slow compared to RSP or Bibble, and you have about a 50/50 chance of it taking a one way trip to la la land (Lightroom has that feature too). But I like the hands-off editing approach: it lets you work with layers, and selections, but does it without touching the image. As a result, you don't end up with lots of HUGE PSD files on your disk, like I have now.
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01/30/2007 08:33:15 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
BTW - I've been working on the trial with Lightzone, and so far I like that far better than lightroom. Problem is that it's pretty slow compared to RSP or Bibble, and you have about a 50/50 chance of it taking a one way trip to la la land (Lightroom has that feature too). |
Wow. 50/50? I'll take those odds since Lightroom is 100% chance of La-La-Land on my systems. Grrrrr... |
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01/30/2007 08:43:24 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
For those looking for a good, free converter, RSE (Raw Shooter Essentials) is still available free, but will disappear soon after Lightroom is released. Get it while you can. |
I just downloaded and it looks great, I have only used CS2 for Raw conversion. Is this where I find this freeware is way better and I have been wasting my time? :P |
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01/30/2007 08:49:01 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by kirbic:
For those looking for a good, free converter, RSE (Raw Shooter Essentials) is still available free, but will disappear soon after Lightroom is released. Get it while you can. |
I just downloaded and it looks great, I have only used CS2 for Raw conversion. Is this where I find this freeware is way better and I have been wasting my time? :P |
Actually, I'm currently doing all my conversions in CS3, though I still have RSP (the purchased version of RSE) on my system. Both have their strengths. I first used RSE because it supported some cameras long before CS2, and, well, being SC I need to be able to read almost any file. I was impressed enough to buy RSP. |
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01/30/2007 09:12:25 PM · #19 |
I see the difference in Photoshop and RSP/Bibble (and maybe lightroom) a matter of workflow. What I like of RSP and Bibble is that I can go through an entire days shoot, rank shots, do some quick adjustments (e.g., apply a new white balance to the set), and do some quick proof conversions. In fact, if I want, I can do just enough to generate an entire set of JPEG proofs.
I missed the upgrade to CS2, but to me, CS seems more at home working on the "one photo" you've already picked. The overhead of the adjustments, and the preview limitations, seemed too high to me compared to Bibble and RSP. In fact, with RSP/Bibble, I don't see why anyone would ever shoot RAW+JPEG. It's so easy to make a whole set of JPEGs. Now I know CS has a batch feature, but it seemed very cumbersome, and slow, when I tried it. In fact, it ate my dual processor machine leaving me helpless to do anything but watch. I'm sure CS2 is better, and CS3 even moreso, but I don't think the workflow is any different, is it?
I've been thinking about this given some recent thread discussion about JPEG versus RAW, and I think people shooting JPEG or RAW+JPEG is testament to the inadequacies of the tools they are using.
That's a bit off topic perhaps here, but Fritz's comment made me think about it again.
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01/31/2007 01:17:58 AM · #20 |
I tried out Lightroom Beta 4 again tonight--I tried importing one folder worth of new shots (keep in place). It started sucking down memory like nothing I've ever seen--it kept going until my machine slowed to about a 300 baud screen refresh rate and all other processes were down to no memory, there was only 4 MB physical memory left, and the OS and system were in complete thrashing mode. It took me a while to even kill the process, and then I had almost all memory free, since it starved out all processes.
Then, having recovered my machine, I ran it again (yep, I'm stupid), thinking that I could limit the amount of memory before it grabbed it all. But it just started up where it left off, and within 1 minute, had gobbled up all my memory and put me back in thrashing mode.
That's ridiculous. Anyone know how to limit memory (I only have 1 GB unfortunately)? I had just gotten the preferences box open when it gobbled up enough memory that I couldn't even operate the dialog.
Pretty impressive! (not)
Message edited by author 2007-01-31 01:18:28.
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01/31/2007 05:48:42 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I see the difference in Photoshop and RSP/Bibble (and maybe lightroom) a matter of workflow. What I like of RSP and Bibble is that I can go through an entire days shoot, rank shots, do some quick adjustments (e.g., apply a new white balance to the set), and do some quick proof conversions. In fact, if I want, I can do just enough to generate an entire set of JPEG proofs.
I missed the upgrade to CS2, but to me, CS seems more at home working on the "one photo" you've already picked. |
I have CS2 and have never figured out how to review and rank my RAW images quickly.
In RSP you can pull up a full screen slideshow (all images properly resized for your screen res) as soon as your images have downloaded and flick through the images ranking them 1/2/3/delete as you go with simple key presses, and flagging the ones that need some touch up work. You can then group them by rank and batch process groups (by rank/flag) of images easily to apply basic corrections and white balance. You can then leave the program in the background chucking out 16 bit TIFs or 8 bit jpegs. Very quick!
The only thing I cannot get it to do is to apply sharpening to reduced size jpegs for web preview (for which an batch processing application droplet from CS2 is still useful).
If CS2 can do this, I should be grateful if someone would point me in the right direction!
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01/31/2007 06:28:54 AM · #22 |
I have tried the Lightroom Beta and it was slow, used a lot of memory etc. But then I have been using Google's Picasa to sift, view and rank sets of pics. I then right click and choose "Open with > Photoshop CS" to edit a file more seriously once I have chosen a few.
Easy peasy. Picasa is also free BTW. Any edits you do with it preserve the original file in a directory under the current one holding the files.
Naaaaa. Adobe can keep their Lightroom! |
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01/31/2007 08:03:06 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
That's ridiculous. Anyone know how to limit memory (I only have 1 GB unfortunately)? I had just gotten the preferences box open when it gobbled up enough memory that I couldn't even operate the dialog.
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I've got two gig of memory and suffer the same problems, it just takes longer before I run out of memory. My main reason for wanting to upgrade to Vista is that XP will only recognize 3G of memory, but Vista will recognize 4. So I purchased Vista and another 2G of memory this week.
But remember this: It was only a beta! I suspect there were memory leaks in the program. And even if the gobbling of memory was on purpose, I suspect it will be "tamed" in the final release. They received a TON of feedback on this very issue, so you can expect they will do something about it.
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