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11/06/2003 02:40:28 PM · #1 |
Since it's been said that there are an equal number of people for and against allowing spot-editing in the challenge rules, why not create a challenge for each?
Every week have an Open challenge and a Member challenge just like it is with the current rules, and also have an Open challenge and a Member challenge with editing being allowed. Set it up so photographers can only enter one Open and one Member challenge a week, either free-editing or not editing as they desire.
This could satisfy the debate over the rules. This could also reduce the number of entries in each challenge, which could lead to improved quality of voting (which seems to be another complaint in challenges that have something like 200 submissions).
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11/06/2003 02:51:18 PM · #2 |
| Fantastic idea in my opinion but why the limit of entering one or the other? I think you should be able to enter both if you want. But other than that I like the idea. |
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11/06/2003 02:52:36 PM · #3 |
I would really love if this would happen because then I can express my photoshop skills on DPC!
In fact, even if I recently started a site which includes PhotoArt competitions (and free techniques on Digital Photography), I cannot compete on my own site because of the no-conflicts rule established there...
And.. before somebody asks it.. yes, my signature is a kind of "Dynamic JPEG".
Message edited by author 2003-11-06 15:04:24.
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11/06/2003 02:53:16 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by vonautsch:
Since it's been said that there are an equal number of people for and against allowing spot-editing in the challenge rules, why not create a challenge for each? |
Why not have them within the same challenge ? Just because it is allowed, doesn't mean you have to do it... |
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11/06/2003 02:55:19 PM · #5 |
| sounds like a great idea :) as long as ppl don't start flocking to the edit-allowed challenge! ;) |
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11/06/2003 03:02:25 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by vonautsch:
Since it's been said that there are an equal number of people for and against allowing spot-editing in the challenge rules, why not create a challenge for each? |
Why not have them within the same challenge ? Just because it is allowed, doesn't mean you have to do it... |
It would be nice, I don't think everybody likes looking at the photoshoppy pictures. If the correct line is drawn then this could be a good idea.
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11/06/2003 03:02:48 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by vonautsch:
Since it's been said that there are an equal number of people for and against allowing spot-editing in the challenge rules, why not create a challenge for each? |
Why not have them within the same challenge ? Just because it is allowed, doesn't mean you have to do it... |
I like your idea Gordon. Maybe just flag them as edited. This way everyone could have the best of both worlds. |
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11/06/2003 03:08:22 PM · #8 |
Well, you can always take your DPC legal entry and after the challenge, post an enhanced version and then the masses can comment on which they like better...
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11/06/2003 03:09:36 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
It would be nice, I don't think everybody likes looking at the photoshoppy pictures. If the correct line is drawn then this could be a good idea. |
I think I understand what you mean by 'photoshoppy pictures'. I don't even consider those photographs so not eligble for entry, or even under discussion. Although this has been debated ad nauseum so it probably isn't worth starting yet again. |
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11/06/2003 03:12:13 PM · #10 |
what if you entered a sewing challenge, and you turned in a shirt that didnt have sleeves on it. your rationale? I'll add the sleeves later.
That's what we're talking about. Providing a finished image that would 'be all that it can be'. . .
And as Ornis' DQ'd shot proved, a pic can be pshopped without looking like cheesey digital art.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Well, you can always take your DPC legal entry and after the challenge, post an enhanced version and then the masses can comment on which they like better... |
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11/06/2003 03:23:02 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
what if you entered a sewing challenge, and you turned in a shirt that didnt have sleeves on it. your rationale? I'll add the sleeves later.
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I'd call it a vest.........
Seriously though, I don't personally object to loosening the photoshop rules. I just don't want to see the idea go overboard and this become a digital art site without as minimal emphasis on the basics of photography. Maybe the PS rules should be removed for every other challenge. Or, maybe there should be open PS challenges as the OP suggested.
I was trying to suggest (maybe clumsily on my part)that it might be beneficial for those of us with less experience in PS to see what how good shots entered in challenges could be improved even further with so-called "DPC illegal" PS editing.
Message edited by author 2003-11-06 15:36:13.
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11/06/2003 03:24:05 PM · #12 |
lol good one..
but you cant call it a shirt, right ? ; )
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
what if you entered a sewing challenge, and you turned in a shirt that didnt have sleeves on it. your rationale? I'll add the sleeves later.
That's what we're talking about. Providing a finished image that would 'be all that it can be'. . .
And as Ornis' DQ'd shot proved, a pic can be pshopped without looking like cheesey digital art.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Well, you can always take your DPC legal entry and after the challenge, post an enhanced version and then the masses can comment on which they like better... |
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I'd call it a vest......... |
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11/06/2003 03:25:14 PM · #13 |
>snip>>I'd call it a vest.........
LOLROTF@ Spazmo99
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11/06/2003 03:37:09 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
lol good one..
but you cant call it a shirt, right ? ; )
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
what if you entered a sewing challenge, and you turned in a shirt that didnt have sleeves on it. your rationale? I'll add the sleeves later.
That's what we're talking about. Providing a finished image that would 'be all that it can be'. . .
And as Ornis' DQ'd shot proved, a pic can be pshopped without looking like cheesey digital art.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Well, you can always take your DPC legal entry and after the challenge, post an enhanced version and then the masses can comment on which they like better... |
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I'd call it a vest......... |
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No, but it's all sewing......
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11/06/2003 04:39:45 PM · #15 |
| Sounds to me like we have drifted from the point here. Why not have both edit ok and non-edit challenges? Seems like it wouldn't require any modification to the site, would make a lot of members happy as they would be able to submit spot edited photos, and members who prefer not to create or view such photos can still be happy as everything stays the same for them. Only difference would be there would be 4 challenges running at a time but probably close the the same number of photos. |
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11/06/2003 05:13:43 PM · #16 |
I think it is a great idea.
Personally I'd probably stick to the non edit challenges, as it is something I love about this place, but periodically I'd venture to the editing ones.
If things went that way though I'd rather they be separate challenges. If they were mixed in a challenge you might find that only the editied photos win, as trhey can be enhanced beyond the expertise of the photographer by the expertise of the photoshop artist, and thus people might feel they have to all do the post editing to have any chance of a ribbon. Eventually it may as well all be editable.
Might be worth trying for a while. Only downside might be that if there are too many challenges, and only so many entrants, we get competitions with very few entries, though I don't think that is going to be a problem.
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11/06/2003 05:22:07 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Natator:
I think it is a great idea.
Personally I'd probably stick to the non edit challenges, as it is something I love about this place, but periodically I'd venture to the editing ones.
If things went that way though I'd rather they be separate challenges. If they were mixed in a challenge you might find that only the editied photos win, as trhey can be enhanced beyond the expertise of the photographer by the expertise of the photoshop artist, and thus people might feel they have to all do the post editing to have any chance of a ribbon. Eventually it may as well all be editable.
Might be worth trying for a while. Only downside might be that if there are too many challenges, and only so many entrants, we get competitions with very few entries, though I don't think that is going to be a problem. |
I agree completely. I only support this if the challenges are separate. And I don't think too few entries will be a problem either. Probably there will be more but in smaller groups. |
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11/06/2003 05:48:45 PM · #18 |
| We already have no-edit-rules challenges, just not all the time. If we start having both types running all the time, we may split the community in a way we will regret. I've only been here a couple of months and still have a lot to learn. But I have learned a lot in a short time so far. I am concerned about what the relaxed rules might bring in the way of entries, and how difficult they would be to enforce. There is always going to be someone trying to push the envelope. It seems to me that the present system of enforcement is working satisfactorily. I reserve the right to change my mind in the future, but for now- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". |
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11/06/2003 07:15:44 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
We already have no-edit-rules challenges, just not all the time. If we start having both types running all the time, we may split the community in a way we will regret. I've only been here a couple of months and still have a lot to learn. But I have learned a lot in a short time so far. I am concerned about what the relaxed rules might bring in the way of entries, and how difficult they would be to enforce. There is always going to be someone trying to push the envelope. It seems to me that the present system of enforcement is working satisfactorily. I reserve the right to change my mind in the future, but for now- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". |
Interestingly, most (if not all) of the people who were in your position 6 months ago have changed their mind. Certainly several of the most vocal against any changes now say they see the need for it. |
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11/06/2003 08:04:23 PM · #20 |
| Who cares about editing,just fix it after the challenge is over,that is why we have portfolio space for! |
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11/07/2003 10:26:37 AM · #21 |
Interestingly, most (if not all) of the people who were in your position 6 months ago have changed their mind. Certainly several of the most vocal against any changes now say they see the need for it.
Don't you think there might be some more newbies six months from now who feel they need the no-edit challenges to compete and advance? |
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11/07/2003 10:34:21 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Don't you think there might be some more newbies six months from now who feel they need the no-edit challenges to compete and advance? |
Sorry, but the spot-editing we are talking about would not make the difference between 1st place and 150th place.
Look at the original blue ribbon winner this week. If he had left those two leaves in the photo, would he have not won? No one can say, but I'll venture that it wouldn't have made THAT big of a difference.
BUT he photoshopped them out because he thought it made the photo look BETTER. Not because it was the difference between a 4.0 score and a 7.0 score. |
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11/07/2003 10:34:36 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
We already have no-edit-rules challenges, just not all the time. |
this is true, but they are not used in the way the people who are pushing for free edits would want to. Every time i see the results of the free edits challenges, i can TELL where the "photoshoping" has been done. This isn't in the spirit of this site IMO. Free edit challenges should not result in obviously PS'ed photos, but the scarecity of their appearance here make it so that people go all-out when there is one. Having regular free-editing challenges (with a few clauses in the rules to the effect of "only one image source, integrity of the photograph should be kept, etc" should point us in a good direction i think..
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11/07/2003 10:35:09 AM · #24 |
| And I should also say that that winner (whoever he was...i forget the name) WAS a newbie and WON A BLUE RIBBON on his very first challenge!! |
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11/07/2003 10:35:46 AM · #25 |
i just want to edit my dust.
i just want to edit my dust.
i just want to edit my dust.
i just want to edit my dust.
i just want to edit my dust.
i just want to edit my dust.
oh and selectively lighten dark areas ; )
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