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01/22/2007 06:20:51 AM · #26 |
Id laugh if it bit them serves the idiots right
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01/22/2007 07:33:23 AM · #27 |
Stupid monkeys throwing rocks at a superior being.
How's that for throwing stuff around? |
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02/10/2007 11:02:41 AM · #28 |
| To all the cruel, unfeeling posters re:soldiers taunt crippled dog video: From many of the posts on this site, one can readily see that too many people have become insensitized to suffering of any creature not of the human race. To stick up for these sub-human beings who obviously relish the chance to torment a helpless,wounded and crippled dog, whose only fault was being caught in the crossfire of mankind's battle, puts YOU in the same category as them - SUB-HUMANS, and there are many of you out there, apparently. Your selfish-cruel remarks will not deter compassionate human beings from caring about animals, from working to make their lives better, and celebrating their worth as creatures of our planet. In fact, the unkind, uncivilized statements concerning this unfortunate canine, only causes us to know we have many brutal, blind, ignorant Sub-Humans who think they rule the world cause they can talk the loudest, hit the hardest and deny others the right to righteous feelings concerning animal abuse. You know - it is really possible to care about animals and people. Is this too much for you? |
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02/10/2007 11:22:57 AM · #29 |
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02/10/2007 11:45:34 AM · #30 |
| Doesn't look as if those Iraqi children are crippled or suffering - or dragging around on their last two wounded legs. If that dog could run around like that, it could have escaped from the soldier's rocks. The look of utter despair in the dog's face/eyes, - I can never escape from. Desensitized human beings are dangerous - just as these soldiers taunt the children - Its all wrong, in my opinion. |
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02/10/2007 12:05:28 PM · #31 |
| No more caffeine for ZeeZee |
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02/10/2007 10:25:58 PM · #32 |
FYI for you online petition makers... lol.. Do something else with your anger as this is FUTILE..
//mlcastle.net/petitions.html
I think it's awesome for being passtionate about something, but I think it may be energy wasted when you encourage people to sign something that will never result in any actions being taken.
PS.. My husband is in the military & makes a meager $33k a year while serving his country & protecting everyones right to complain or not complain about rocks being thrown at a dog.. Might I add, we live in California in Santa Barbara county which is rated one of the highest cost of living counties in the state. Talk about a tragedy !!! lol
PSS.. I love dogs & have one of my own !!! |
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02/11/2007 10:48:00 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
PS.. My husband is in the military & makes a meager $33k a year while serving his country & protecting everyones right to complain or not complain about rocks being thrown at a dog.. |
These rights aren't imminently threatened, are they? |
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02/11/2007 11:54:37 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by kandykarml:
PS.. My husband is in the military & makes a meager $33k a year while serving his country & protecting everyones right to complain or not complain about rocks being thrown at a dog.. |
These rights aren't imminently threatened, are they? |
Only by the Executive branch ... : ( |
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02/13/2007 07:28:44 PM · #35 |
| War is not healthy for children and other living things.... |
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02/13/2007 11:25:12 PM · #36 |
I’ve held off commenting on this post for a long time, sorry for the length. They are my opinions, not that of my “employers”.
General William T. Sherman said that, “War is hell!” He is right. It is. People involved in such a conflict will descend to the depths that are human nature. We are, after all animals. We are hunters; it is in our nature to be vicious, malicious, war hungry creatures. They call the adrenalin rush the “Fight or Flight syndrome” for a reason. A naturally produced substance by our bodies that make you either want to fight or run. We should out law it… There is nothing to prepare you for the horrors and chaos of war. You have to find a way to cope with all you see around you. Does this justify what the Soldiers did in that video? No. I am personally appalled at their actions. There are resources in theater for the Soldiers to cope with the stresses of being deployed. Had they been under my command, I would have severely punished them. I would have demoted them, taken money from them, and ensured that they would not be placed in a position to do the same thing again. I know that one of those Soldiers out ranks me, and that in it’s self is a damn shame. The Army has a Creed for the Non Commissioned Officers or NCOs(Sergeants and above) the first line is “No one is more professional than I.” it also states that, “I will at all times conduct myself as to bring credit upon the Corps[NCO…not Marine], the Military Service, and my Country regardless of the situation in which I find myself” What these men did is an abomination. Let alone to record the damn event so the whole world can see that they are jack asses. Don’t allow these few “bad apples” corrupt the view of the military. If the Clerk at the Chevron station sells cigarettes to a 7 year old, I’m not going to say that “The Chevron Oil Company wants to kill children.” I blame the individuals. Not the group.
War has been a part of history since the dawn of civilization. “Those who do not learn from mistakes of history are bound to repeat them.” I don’t know who said that, but my father used to all the time. I love history… when it doesn’t change. In looking at the history of the United States I see some events marked in our history that look the same for the future of Iraq. The US War of Independence lasted from 1775–1783(8 Years). It was estimated that the United States military lost nearly 25,000 Soldiers. There is no accurate count of Civilians killed or wounded. The Iraq war is entering it’s 5th year. They are in the midst of a Civil war at the same time. The US went through one too(1861-1865). It just happened to be about 90 years later. Everyone expected a quick in and out for Iraq. That doesn’t work any more. The US hasn’t left Germany, Japan, Kuwait, nor Korea. We will never leave Iraq. Things will take time.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Declaration of Independence. The Right to Life in the United States was “imminently threatened” on September 11th. It could happen again at anytime. No one expected it to happen in the first place. Honestly can anyone name the rights that the executive branch has taken away from you? Wire tapping… Listen to my phone calls. I don’t care. You will hear my ass get chewed out by my Boss, my Soldiers asking me dumb questions, my Mom telling me the new thing that the pets do at the house and how much smarter my sister is then me, and me and my friends argue about when we want to go to lunch and who’s turn it is to pick the place to eat. I’m not making plans for the next 9/11, or another catastrophic event like that. I have nothing to hide because I’m not guilty.
My main question remains, for those who thought that Bush “stole” the 2000 election, why did he win a second term? Yes, the mid-term elections gave the Congress to the Democrats. Now the entire congress is debating a TWO LINE, Non-binding resolution for the week that says that they do not support Bush’s troop increase, but they support the troops. My greatest fear is that the Iraq war will be fought from the halls of Congress, and not by the Generals in Iraq. 3,100 Soldiers have died in Iraq. Some say for nothing, some say for oil and lower gas prices, or so Bush can prove to Daddy that he can fight a war too. I say why cheapen their loss. Why not say that they died bringing the one thing that Americans take for granted to the Iraqi people. The simple right to vote. To choose what they want for their lives. Many will say that they want America out, and their lives are shattered due to violence and daily bombings. You’d be right. I’m not going to sit here and say that everyone’s life in Iraq is perfect… but it can be. I believe that it will be and that we need to be in there till the end.
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02/13/2007 11:33:08 PM · #37 |
Yeah well u received crap in ur email from a friend who forgive me... forwards u all kinds of crap.
I dont see a real story just a chain letter without a threat on the end. |
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02/13/2007 11:35:55 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by RMyers1314:
My main question remains, for those who thought that Bush “stole” the 2000 election, why did he win a second term? |
That was largely due to the vote fraud in Ohio ... |
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02/14/2007 12:05:41 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RMyers1314:
My main question remains, for those who thought that Bush “stole” the 2000 election, why did he win a second term? |
That was largely due to the vote fraud in Ohio ... |
Paul, not even the Democrats' Voting Rights Institute claims election fraud in Ohio any more.
A June, 2005 article entitled In Ohio Vote, Woes, Yes, Fraud, No in the New York Times ( hardly a right wing media outlet ) had this to say:
"A five-month study for the Democratic National Committee found that more than one in four Ohio voters experienced problems at the polls last fall, , but the study did not find evidence of widespread election fraud that might have contributed to President Bush's narrow victory there.
The detailed report, released Wednesday, said that disproportionately high numbers of blacks and young people had complained about long lines, intimidation and malfunctioning machines. But Democratic officials said they could not conclude that Mr. Bush's Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, would have won in Ohio even if voting had gone smoothly.
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The Democratic investigation was conducted by pollsters, political scientists and voting-machine experts led by Donna L. Brazile, head of the party's Voting Rights Institute. It was based on a survey of 1,201 randomly selected Ohioans and a precinct-by-precinct analysis of registration data, turnout and results."
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02/14/2007 08:05:43 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by deapee:
My main problem with all this stuff is that the media has no reason to be over there. |
Joseph Goebbels could not have said it better. Well done. :(
Originally posted by deapee:
Ridiculous. Shoot the Iraqi dog...it is an Iraqi. |
Hey, in case you missed the memo, we are supposed to be there to spread democracy and freedom, and to help the Iraqi's who were terrorized and murdered by the worst despot since Stalin.
The Iraqis are the ones greeting us with open arms and flowers. Why do you want to shoot them?
Message edited by author 2007-02-14 08:13:20. |
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02/14/2007 08:12:13 AM · #41 |
The New York Times is a completely schizophrenic paper, with half of it right-wing, and the other half somewhat liberal.
They have no problem at all printing whatever the administration wants them to.
Just two days ago, they printed a bullsh1t unverified story about Iranian weapons which they got basically verbatim from Pentagon "unnamed sources", which the op'ed division apologized for!
And need I mention "Judith Miller"??
Just because something is printed in the NYT, it doesn't mean that it has been vetted by liberals.
Message edited by author 2007-02-14 08:12:43. |
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03/21/2007 02:24:24 PM · #42 |
I am a U.S. Marine living in the Middle East and I served in Iraq. I'm also a huge dog lover. I did not see the video. If someone hurt a dog, whoever they are, they're awful people. I can tell you something, though, if American soldiers did it, they are the exceptions. Across the board, what I saw in Iraq, and what I have seen throughout my travels in the Muslim world (I've been to Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egpyt, Tunisia, Morocco, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Iraq) is that Muslims: 1) generally do not like dogs; 2) generally do not treat animals with the same kind of humanity as much of the western world. That's putting it very nicely. On the other hand, I knew of several cases of U.S. Marines and soldiers adopting stray Iraqi dogs, and even managing to ship them home through Jordan. Moreover, I can tell you of a time when some U.S. Army soldiers came across Iraqis killing some puppies. The soldiers chased the Iraqis away, and saved one puppy and the mother. From then on, the mother dog accompanied the soldiers on their patrols, and, on several occasions, barked to alert them of enemy ambushes. When those soldiers returned to the United States, my Commanding General sent a helicopter to pick up the mother dog and the pup. The mother dog (which the soldiers had named Lucy) became our unit's mascot. She roamed the headquarters building at will. She was loving to anyone in a uniform; but she attacked anyone not wearing a uniform -- even U.S. Marines who were in workout clothes. What Lucy had learned was that the U.S. military was good to her, but that Iraqis were cruel to her. Her pup was given to a unit that had suffered a lot of casualties to be their mascot. I'll see if I still have a picture of Lucy somewhere to post. So, again, my answer is, I hope that U.S. soldiers did not hurt a dog. But, if they did, don't hold it against the Army. Hold it against the sick individuals who did it.
I haven't found a picture of Lucy, yet. But I will post a picture of her pup (Melissa) with the Commanding Officer of the unit she was given to, and a picture of me with a cat I named Kevlar. I named her Kevlar because she loved to curl up in my helmet (which is made of Kevlar). I'll put them under my Iraq folder. |
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03/21/2007 02:53:20 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I did see the video and there is no indication to me that those soldiers injured that dog in any way. |
The thread title is misleading. From the portion of the video available at the time, it appeared to me that the dog was already injured when the soldier came by. Then, if memory serves, the soldiers were debating whether or not to put it out of its misery. I think maybe, again, if memory serves, one of the soldiers may have chuckled, or made a sound that was construed as laughing, when the dog ran away on three legs(?).
They did roll a rock near it to get it to move.
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03/21/2007 04:13:46 PM · #44 |
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJC1unnuwds
Us Tank dozes car?
We are worrying about what is happening to dogs, and then we get soldiers "blowing off steam" like this. I think theres more things to be concerned about, when it comes to whats going on over there. I dont want it to sound like I am bashing all our guys, but there clearly is something wrong with this. For stealing wood? Theres rubble everywhere, and it doesnt look like they are off with anything of any value, at least that these guys should be concerned about... I think the video of the kids chasing for the water is pretty sad too. Im glad to see there are other videos that show the opposite. (i.e. the soldier playing soccer with the kids). Sure "war is hell", but when we are sending people over to another country to protect its democracy, I would hope that we handle it professionally, and not "blow off steam" on civilians who are trying to make do with the little they have. I have full respect for those men and women who are brave enough to take on such a job seriously, but when it comes down to being inconsiderate, I think it gives the world a horrible impression of the US, and even more reason to dislike us. |
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03/23/2007 10:28:44 PM · #45 |
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03/23/2007 10:42:17 PM · #46 |
| call peta,mabe they can stop the war... |
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03/27/2007 01:07:33 PM · #47 |
| I just took a look at the petition site. This was FOUR #$%*&ing years ago! What the heck do you think the military is? Miracle workers? Holy cow! How the hell are we supposed to find the guys who did this four years later? And then, what would you want us to do to them? I'm a Judge Advocate (lawyer) in the Marine Corps, and have spent a lot of time prosecuting criminals in court. I can tell you that, sad as it is, they did not break a law. The closest law you could cite is Abusing a Public Animal, but that applies only to "Public Animals", which means, basically, animals owned by the government. I'm a dog lover and wish this were not true, but you can't prosecute them because THERE SIMPLY IS NO LAW AGAINST WHAT THEY DID. Let me explain a little further. Some states have animal cruelty laws. If this had been done in a U.S. State, you could apply one of those laws against them. But, just as the laws of, for example, California, do not apply in, for example, Tennesee, no state laws apply in Iraq. The only law that applies to soldiers in Iraq is: 1) International Law of War (does not address animal cruelty); and 2) the Uniform Code of Military Justice (other than the public animal provision, does not address animal cruelty). Blame it on Congress, but they never thought to include that in the UCMJ. There's simply nothing you can do, even if you could find them and even ASSUMING that they are: 1) still alive; and 2) still in the Army. |
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