Asking Photographer For All Raw Files...Should I?

01/18/2007 10:55:34 PM · #76

Assumptions are a BI***!!! Please read through the thread and point out my apparant apathy and disdain.

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
Call it how you see it! As a photog, I know what's reasonable for the effort expended and what's not.

The bigger issue here is that I want more control over the post processing, to the point where I am willing to do it myself! It's me and my family that have to look at these pics for the rest of our lives, not him!

We can't exactly see it without seeing anything of yours, now can we? From the apparent apathy and disdain that you treat the subject, I doubt that you put nearly the effort into any one of your pictures that most people on this site do.

01/18/2007 10:56:27 PM · #77

Originally posted by Adrionni:

But seriously!! Why are y'all getting all butt-hurt?? I've already told you that I respect the game, but you insist on attacking me personally YET YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!!

You say you respect the game, but everything you post contradicts that.

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 22:56:58.

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

01/18/2007 10:57:05 PM · #78

Do what you gotta do. See? Prices are inflated because....what? People what control over how their pics look? Without the subject, you have no intellectual or creative property.

Originally posted by Shakalaka:

I just got an urge to go bump my prices up AGAIN :-)

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

01/18/2007 10:57:32 PM · #79

Originally posted by Shakalaka:

Photography is not rocket science, and it's not that serious.

Points

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/18/2007 10:58:20 PM · #80

No, my main points were around the 15k for only shooting time and files. Please reread the thread.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
But seriously!! Why are y'all getting all butt-hurt?? I've already told you that I respect the game, but you insist on attacking me personally YET YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!!

You say you respect the game, but everything you post contradicts that.

wavelength

Nikon D300

01/18/2007 10:58:30 PM · #81

Originally posted by Adrionni:

Assumptions are a BI***!!! Please read through the thread and point out my apparant apathy and disdain.

I did, it's apparent throughout the entire thread, still. The fact that you can't see it only underscores you arrogant assumptions.

as Spazmo said...

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/18/2007 11:01:04 PM · #82

Originally posted by Adrionni:

Without the subject, you have no intellectual or creative property.

Without a photographer that knows what they're doing, who would care to enforce their copyright? You can create crap, but that doesn't mean that anyone will buy it.

01/18/2007 11:01:05 PM · #83

Apparant to you because that's how you perceive me. I haven't assumed anything. Please reread the thread, lol! Those of you who are attacking me are making assumptions.

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
Assumptions are a BI***!!! Please read through the thread and point out my apparant apathy and disdain.

I did, it's apparent throughout the entire thread, still. The fact that you can't see it only underscores you arrogant assumptions.

as Spazmo said...

01/18/2007 11:02:05 PM · #84

That's with any product or service that's marketed. What's your point?

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
Without the subject, you have no intellectual or creative property.

Without a photographer that knows what they're doing, who would care to enforce their copyright? You can create crap, but that doesn't mean that anyone will buy it.

fotomann_forever

01/18/2007 11:02:50 PM · #85

Originally posted by Adrionni:

Do what you gotta do. See? Prices are inflated because....what? People what control over how their pics look? Without the subject, you have no intellectual or creative property.

Originally posted by Shakalaka:
I just got an urge to go bump my prices up AGAIN :-)

Prices are inflated because I can ask what I want and some bride will demand to have me.

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 23:03:26.

01/18/2007 11:05:15 PM · #86

And that's great! Kudos to you! Really. But if you're pricing everything including the kitchen sink, why pay for that if all I want is a portion of what you're offering me?

Originally posted by Shakalaka:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
Do what you gotta do. See? Prices are inflated because....what? People what control over how their pics look? Without the subject, you have no intellectual or creative property.

Originally posted by Shakalaka:
I just got an urge to go bump my prices up AGAIN :-)

Prices are inflated because I can ask what I want and some bride will demand to have me.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/18/2007 11:06:10 PM · #87

Originally posted by Adrionni:

No, my main points were around the 15k for only shooting time and files. Please reread the thread.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
But seriously!! Why are y'all getting all butt-hurt?? I've already told you that I respect the game, but you insist on attacking me personally YET YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!!

You say you respect the game, but everything you post contradicts that.

I read it the first time. Your posts indicate a fundamental disrespect for wedding photographers.

If you can find someone to shoot your wedding for $50 and all the beer they can drink, good for you. If not, well, too bad.

wavelength

Nikon D300

01/18/2007 11:08:10 PM · #88

I percieve you as a ignorant hack because you have shown nothing different throughout the course of this conversation.

You wanted to solicit the opinion of photographers that take their work seriously, and you have their opinion. I think you're the one that should get over it.

Go back to your photog that you like, ask him the same question and if he doesn't laugh you out of the room or outright tell you to get lost, then you'll have your final answer.

As for me, I'm ignoring this thread. (member perk)

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

01/18/2007 11:08:16 PM · #89

Oh, and I'm here just like you are - because I want to be here. Didn't think I needed your blessing or approval =).

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
And he would probably do a better job than most of the people on you A list.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Adrionni:

Originally posted by rlinn3:
If you paid me 3 times my normal fee, @ $5,000, maybe. Other than that no way.

$15k for a few pics??? What are you SMOKING??? LOL. Photography is not rocket science, and it's not that serious.

If you have that kind of reaction to the thought of paying $15K, don't call Gary Fong.

or Dennis Reggie.

or Bambi Cantrell

or a host of others that easily command $15K and much more to shoot a wedding.

If it's not that serious for you, why not just get some homeless guy off the street and give him a camera? Just set it on "P" (for "P"rofessional) and let him have at it. You could probably get him to do it for $20 and a sandwich. I bet he'd even let you have the RAW files.

Then why are you posting here? Why aren't you out on Skid Row looking for your photographer? You could probably get some artsy looking pics if you slip him a bottle of Thunderbird before the ceremony too.

fotomann_forever

01/18/2007 11:08:24 PM · #90

Originally posted by Adrionni:

And that's great! Kudos to you! Really. But if you're pricing everything including the kitchen sink, why pay for that if all I want is a portion of what you're offering me?

I'm not saying you aren't good at processing images, but without knowing that you are, I could possibly put my rep on the line by releasing unprocessed images to a client.

In this bus, reputation is EVERYTHING. If you do a bad job on processing the pics and then they are attributed to me.. that could mean bad things for me.

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

01/18/2007 11:10:09 PM · #91

Originally posted by Adrionni:

And that's great! Kudos to you! Really. But if you're pricing everything including the kitchen sink, why pay for that if all I want is a portion of what you're offering me?

I think the point here is that he is offering xxxxx package for weddings and you only want xx... then he would not be the photographer for you. You can't demand what parts of his services you will or won't pay for. You'll simply need to find a photograher who suits YOUR needs.... but don't knock the the others just because you don't fit their package.

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 23:10:25.

Ubersteiny

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Sigma 35mm f1.4 dg hsm for Canon

01/18/2007 11:10:47 PM · #92

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE KIDS IN MY FREAKING HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!!
seriously, you guys are all my parents age and up and you guys are whining and fighting like a bunch of monkeys!

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

01/18/2007 11:12:05 PM · #93

I'll be that! So this should be the last post from you, I take it. Adios!

I'll stand my ground, I'm not going to punk out or back down from defending myself, regardless. I was really hoping this conversation would've been a positive one, but the buck stops when I'm personally attacked and expected to burst into tears, HA!

Originally posted by wavelength:

idnic

Canon EOS-60D

01/18/2007 11:12:17 PM · #94

Originally posted by noisemaker:

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE KIDS IN MY FREAKING HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!!
seriously, you guys are all my parents age and up and you guys are whining and fighting like a bunch of monkeys!

Uhm, who's fighting? This is called a discussion with many points of view. Read along. Its educational. ;)

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 23:12:33.

Mark

Canon EOS-600D/T3i Rebel

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

01/18/2007 11:13:14 PM · #95

This is certainly getting interesting, isn't it.

I think that I can see both sides of the issue.

On one side is the view that a photographer's job is to show up at the wedding, aim the camera at whatever seems photo-worthy, hand off the files and go home. This is something that could be done by anyone who has enough skill/equipment to take acceptable photos. This is the level of photography that one would get from an individual such as myself, an amateur who wouldn't mind doing it and handing over the RAW files for a thousand dollars or so. The results will show you your wedding and remind you of the event.

On the other hand are the established professional photographers who are truly passionate about their art. They are experienced, brilliant, and more often than not hard to come by. They are meticulous, perfectionist, and would fear handing over their RAW files because they wouldn't bear for anything that bears their name to be less than perfect. Their results will help convey the emotions of the wedding and really bring you back to your wedding day every time you look at them.

My advice: hire a good photographer, and let them do the post-processing. They might let you have the hi-res jpegs as part of the contract. That will save you the added expense of the RAW issue, save you the time of going through and process your own wedding photos (I'm sure after the wedding you'll have a lot of things you would much rather do than sit hunched over a computer screen) You'll get the best results and it will save you a lot of time and money.

Ubersteiny

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Sigma 35mm f1.4 dg hsm for Canon

01/18/2007 11:13:47 PM · #96

Originally posted by idnic:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE KIDS IN MY FREAKING HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!!
seriously, you guys are all my parents age and up and you guys are whining and fighting like a bunch of monkeys!

Uhm, who's fighting? This is called a discussion with many points of view. Read along. Its educational. ;)

well this is a pretty worked up "discussion"

01/18/2007 11:14:59 PM · #97

I hear ya, but I really like his work. He has a good eye and I've checked out his work extensively, and I must say that I want a bit more umpf in the post processing.

I left a message for him this evening, so when I do talk to him, I see how he personally feels about working something out for me, where we can both walk away happy with the end result. I hope he's open to compromise.

Originally posted by idnic:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
And that's great! Kudos to you! Really. But if you're pricing everything including the kitchen sink, why pay for that if all I want is a portion of what you're offering me?

I think the point here is that he is offering xxxxx package for weddings and you only want xx... then he would not be the photographer for you. You can't demand what parts of his services you will or won't pay for. You'll simply need to find a photograher who suits YOUR needs.... but don't knock the the others just because you don't fit their package.

fotomann_forever

01/18/2007 11:15:01 PM · #98

Adrionni, may I offer some advice? Go to Craigslist and post that you want someone to do it, price negotiable. My guess is that SOMEONE will do it.

Just ask to see some samples of his/her prior work first.

That is IF the other guy won't do it... never hurts to ask, huh?

Message edited by author 2007-01-18 23:16:53.

01/18/2007 11:15:14 PM · #99

Originally posted by Adrionni:

Oh, and I'm here just like you are - because I want to be here. Didn't think I needed your blessing or approval =).

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Adrionni:
And he would probably do a better job than most of the people on you A list.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by Adrionni:

Originally posted by rlinn3:
If you paid me 3 times my normal fee, @ $5,000, maybe. Other than that no way.

$15k for a few pics??? What are you SMOKING??? LOL. Photography is not rocket science, and it's not that serious.

If you have that kind of reaction to the thought of paying $15K, don't call Gary Fong.

or Dennis Reggie.

or Bambi Cantrell

or a host of others that easily command $15K and much more to shoot a wedding.

If it's not that serious for you, why not just get some homeless guy off the street and give him a camera? Just set it on "P" (for "P"rofessional) and let him have at it. You could probably get him to do it for $20 and a sandwich. I bet he'd even let you have the RAW files.

Then why are you posting here? Why aren't you out on Skid Row looking for your photographer? You could probably get some artsy looking pics if you slip him a bottle of Thunderbird before the ceremony too.

I never said you needed my approval for anything.

I just thought you might spend your limited pre-nuptial time looking for a photographer rather than stirring up trouble on DPC and suggested a place to start based on your earlier posts.