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01/17/2007 03:34:02 AM · #26
Originally posted by Grandad:

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My best score to date


Woohoo. Now that's one damn fine start to the voting. Based on your score so far, I reckon I've got a good idea which pic is yours. Guess I'll have to wait until next week to see if I'm right. :)
01/17/2007 03:35:26 AM · #27
WTG Grandad!!! Wonderful start to the challenge.......going to be an exciting week for you :))
01/17/2007 06:20:23 AM · #28
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staying around the 7+, best so far
01/17/2007 08:30:02 AM · #29
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About what I expected... it was experimental.
01/17/2007 08:31:46 AM · #30
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01/17/2007 08:32:47 AM · #31
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01/17/2007 09:32:30 AM · #32
Originally posted by Qiki:

Just finished voting. There's some pretty nice shots, but whilst I'm not a DNMC nazi there's quite a few motion blur (blurred subject, sharpish background) shots instead of motion panning it seems to me. Anyone else out there agree with me or am I being too harsh?

Q.


Exactly...

There are some images with amazing blur in the background and the subject is in crisp focus.

Can someone enlighten me that if you sit in a moving car and shoot another moving car- Will it qualify as a 'motion'? It's not a panning shot technically though with a lot of blur it will give that effect. Is there a way to differentiate between the two?

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01/17/2007 09:55:04 AM · #33
Originally posted by Qiki:

Just finished voting. There's some pretty nice shots, but whilst I'm not a DNMC nazi there's quite a few motion blur (blurred subject, sharpish background) shots instead of motion panning it seems to me. Anyone else out there agree with me or am I being too harsh?

Q.


I agree 100% with you.
01/17/2007 10:01:23 AM · #34
Panning implies moving the lens from right to left or left to right (or up and down!) whilst tracking your subject keeping all or part of your subject in focus whilst the background slides out of focus. Using al servo focus mode helps with the focusing. You can pan one moving car from anotehr i reckon.
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Pantastic!
puntastic pan, I mean pun!

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01/17/2007 10:48:37 AM · #35
I'm not playing in this challenge (couldn't get an image I liked, and having only "learned" motion panning in response to the challenge, I'll wait for Motion Panning III), but I'll warn you all that if anyone else is voting like I am (and why wouldn't they, my votes are technically perfect and my comments are interesting to read), then things are going to change a lot over the week from the initial scores.

I'm starting by categorizing:

4: did something other than try to meet the challenge (this is a technical challenge for me, something to do with getting the technique right and still making an interesting image; if you've done something other than go for the spirit of the technical challenge, as a good friend of mine used to say, "how very nice for you", but it's not likely to score well with me)
5: attempted the challenge but immediately apparent that it really hasn't worked for some technical reason;
6: met the challenge, but my immediate reaction is not strongly positive (probably due to the subject of the image);
7: met the challenge and something more.

Once I'm done categorizing, I'm going to go back through them, comment, and move them around; some 4s may go lower, some higher as I try to be a tiny bit more open-minded about the challenge. Some 5s and 6s will go down as I really look at the technique used and what the effect was, others will go up as I take a bit of time (allowed by a relatively small number of entries) to really see the image. 7s will likely either stay 7 or go up; I wouldn't have put them there to begin with if I didn't see something special at first glance.

So what does this mean to all of you? Probably a lot of intra-vote movement; it might be a 5 from me, then a 6, then a 7 at the end, or it might start out a 6 and end up a 5 (5 is probably the lowest I'll give anyone who submitted something actually using the motion panning technique).

Will it help you all to know this as you watch your scores bounce around but your voting numbers not change or change only slightly (not enough to explain the change in score)? I hope so, otherwise, I've wasted the time I've taken to write this when I should have been working . . . ;)

Good luck everyone!!

RH
01/17/2007 10:57:10 AM · #36
Originally posted by Qiki:

Just finished voting. There's some pretty nice shots, but whilst I'm not a DNMC nazi there's quite a few motion blur (blurred subject, sharpish background) shots instead of motion panning it seems to me. Anyone else out there agree with me or am I being too harsh?

Q.


I agree, i hate being too strict with the topic parameters usually but i think with this one Motion Panning is quite hard when compared to tracking or motion blur. So if it was obviously not a panning shot i mark it down but if i wasn't sure i would give them the benefit of the doubt and mark as if it was panned. Hope that seems fair enough.
Some great panning shots in there, some are exceptionally sharp.
01/17/2007 11:20:29 AM · #37
Originally posted by bood:

Panning implies moving the lens from right to left or left to right (or up and down!) whilst tracking your subject keeping all or part of your subject in focus whilst the background slides out of focus. Using al servo focus mode helps with the focusing. You can pan one moving car from anotehr i reckon.


I am not sure it matters how you move your lens - left/right, up/down, rotate, etc. You can move your camera by hands, put it on a co-moving platform, or even attach to your subject. What matters is that the moving subject should be nearly stationary and sharp on the sensor, and the rest (background) should be motion-blurred... At least that was my wide interpretaiton, and now I am paying for it :)

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01/17/2007 12:53:58 PM · #38
I got a couple of negative comments so far that my picture is motion tracking (subject is moving away or toward the camera) and not motion panning :(

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01/17/2007 12:56:23 PM · #39
Originally posted by kevip6:

Originally posted by Qiki:

Just finished voting. There's some pretty nice shots, but whilst I'm not a DNMC nazi there's quite a few motion blur (blurred subject, sharpish background) shots instead of motion panning it seems to me. Anyone else out there agree with me or am I being too harsh?

Q.


I agree, i hate being too strict with the topic parameters usually but i think with this one Motion Panning is quite hard when compared to tracking or motion blur. So if it was obviously not a panning shot i mark it down but if i wasn't sure i would give them the benefit of the doubt and mark as if it was panned. Hope that seems fair enough.
Some great panning shots in there, some are exceptionally sharp.


I also agree, Technically pan is left to right or right to left, up and down is tilt, thatís why you have a pan and tilt head on your tripod, thatís being a bit harsh though, so I let that go, but if you mount your camera on the subject, as the subject is moving then it is a tracking shot, same if you are in or on a vehicle running along with the subject, itís a tracking shot, this the one of the things I like about this site, reading the threads, and sometimes adding my own opinion, itís very educational.
01/17/2007 01:00:02 PM · #40
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I have never even had a 6 before so I'm well pleased.
01/17/2007 01:09:16 PM · #41
i'm willing to go out on a limb and say a shot wins that isn't even using 'panning', but in fact just using 'motion' very well.
01/17/2007 01:21:57 PM · #42
here we go again... ;-)

a description at odds with the topic.

panning is generally considered moving the camera in order to capture a moving object, and typically, the camera is not attached to the object in motion.

the description, though, calls for capturing an object in motion in such a way that the subject stands out from a blurred background.

i'll give some leeway to those who creatively solved the problem, say by attaching their camera to their subject, but, by and large, i'll score higher the ones that actually held onto their equipment. i just think it takes more effort to actually teach yourself how to pan effectively.
01/17/2007 01:23:58 PM · #43
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Considering I have never done motion panning per sya, I am happy with this score so far. I have also received some very helpful constructive comments and that makes this photo worth more than the score it receives, as I am learning <yea me>
01/17/2007 01:55:00 PM · #44
Interesting thread. I've got a picture that is doing pretty well in this challenge, although I've gotten some comments that suggest it is not "true" motion panning because they think the camera was somehow attached to the subject. It wasn't, and a close look at the details of the image and angle of view should confirm that it was truly panned because it would have been impossible to capture that image in that way using tracking. Being a relative newbie here, I haven't PMd the commenters and figure I'll just let it ride, see how it plays out, and answer any skeptics when the challenge is over. However it turns out, looks like I'm probably heading for a new high score (not that difficult when you're only on challenge no. 5!) :>)

(I'm assuming, in view of some of the earlier comments in this thread, the generic discussion of my image doesn't violate the rule against discussing entries during voting. If you veterans think it does, please let me know and I'll edit this post).
01/17/2007 02:48:44 PM · #45
Originally posted by Qiki:

Just finished voting. There's some pretty nice shots, but whilst I'm not a DNMC nazi there's quite a few motion blur (blurred subject, sharpish background) shots instead of motion panning it seems to me. Anyone else out there agree with me or am I being too harsh?

Q.


Well I've just finished doing my initial scoring as well. Everyone has some score from me - now's it's taking a break before doing some levelling. But I do agree totally that there are loads of shots with motion blur and have commented to that effect. It's alomost like there are two challenges running at once here. There are some quite delighful shots with motion blur in them, and some fabulous crisp motion panning shots. When it comes to scoring though I have to lean towards the fact that it is a motion panning challenge.
01/17/2007 03:54:24 PM · #46
well i tried something a bit experimental with my entry, and am paying the price. though i can't really complain as i had a feeling my experiment would fail... ;}

i would say though, that if the image appears to be motion panning the photographer succeeded whether or not the camera was panned. there is usually more than one path to the same end.


01/17/2007 04:08:55 PM · #47
Originally posted by Qiki:

Just finished voting. There's some pretty nice shots, but whilst I'm not a DNMC nazi there's quite a few motion blur (blurred subject, sharpish background) shots instead of motion panning it seems to me. Anyone else out there agree with me or am I being too harsh?

Q.


I agree. You are not being harsh. I have just finished voting and there were quite a few that were motion blur and not panning. Panning is an art requires practice. It is all too easy to think that by having something blurred in the photo, then you have panning. True panning is where the main image is in focus, although not all of the subject has to be clear or sharp. For example a running horse is very hard to get every part sharp, but with body sharp and legs blurred and with background blurred, gives a very pleasing and correct application of motion panning. It gives the impression of movement and speed.

However, there are some great shots in the challenge and I have scored pretty high by my standards, even those who have used motion blur rather than motion panning. Well Done everyone!

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01/17/2007 04:12:45 PM · #48
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It's easy to find mine - it's the one I didn't take, nor enter...
;)
01/17/2007 04:18:00 PM · #49
Originally posted by BradP:

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It's easy to find mine - it's the one I didn't take, nor enter...
;)


Unbelievable quality as one would expect from you BradP. This deserves a 10 from every voter. I see no-one has commented yet, still it takes longer on a braille keyboard!
01/17/2007 04:58:14 PM · #50
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I'm pleased with the score because it's at this level despite some comments that it wasn't a motion panning shot...but it is! Even if I had done what some think I did, I would be dissapointed if voters voted lower due to the technique.
I think I've gotten more gracious when it comes to whether a shot is DNMC or not...if it looks like what was asked for in the challenge, shouldn't that be enough? And then give kudos to the photog for the creativity/artistry/good fortune that allowed the shot to appear as the challenge required. Anyway, the shot is doing better than I hoped it would.
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