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01/10/2007 05:21:07 AM · #1
I know this has been asked a zillion times but I need some last minute advice. I researched for the last 6 months and am finally in the position to buy my first dSLR. Trust when I say I have read everything I can get my hands on and looked at hundreds of photos taken with particular lenses. I have done my homework, but still coming up short on answers. I am going with the 30D, that much I know without a doubt. The lenses, well that's where my trouble's at.

I want to shoot landscape so I am leaning towards the 17-40.

The trouble is that I also want to shoot architecture and church interiors and I am worried the f4 isn't enough. Will the ISO make the difference? The 24-70 is faster I know, but I am wondering about the weight because I am a bit of a weakling and the body is going to be heavy enough already.
Then there's the 24-105 and I'm really interested in IS because I find myself shooting handheld a lot but again worry about the f4 and with this one is it really wide enough for landscape and interiors.

Budget isn't so much of an issue but I am trying to go with something covered under the rebate that ends this Sat. I plan to buy at least one more lens plus all the accessories within 3 months, but I am really agonizing over what to get first. I have been leaning towards zooms but plan on a 50 prime with the next purchase. 70-200 4 IS is most likely next too, but not on the rebate so not a candidate for my first purchasee.

Here's the link to the Canon rebate.
//downloads.canon.com/cpr/software/camera/rebate_claim_form_070108.pdf

Thanks for any feedback on the lenses I'm looking at, or something I'm missing that's on the rebate.
01/10/2007 05:30:56 AM · #2
For shooting interiors of architecture you are going to want to use a tripod, regardless of which lens you use, and as such I would have thought the 17-40 f4 would be good. That said, I don't have the lens myself.
01/10/2007 06:53:30 AM · #3
ditto on the tripod. if you are shooting landscapes and architecture, you shouldn't be thinking about handholding at all. as the things you're shooting don't move, your camera definitely shouldn't...

you might want to get your body and rent or borrow some lenses to find out what really works for you. i have shot landscapes with everything from 15mm to 300mm, and the same with architecture; the shot dictated the lens. however, if i had to say what i used most of the time, it would be the 24-70, simply because it has less distortion (it also helps that i only have a 1.3 crop factor, as opposed to a 1.6).

good luck, have fun!
01/10/2007 07:49:19 AM · #4
17-40 may not be wide enough. For church interiors 17 will be great no questions asked. I don't know what you mean by architecture but if you mean inside a house 17mm won't do the job far from it.
01/10/2007 08:06:41 AM · #5
The 17-40 on a 30D will equate to about 28mm on the short end due to the 1.6 sensor. I doubt that this will work for you indoors. If you're going to shoot interiors, you may want to take a look at the Canon EF-S 10-22 (this also works really well for landscapes too). BTW, I have both lenses and I use them both depending on the situation.
01/10/2007 10:05:14 AM · #6
Hm too bad about the IS. I really was thinking I could get away from using the tripod. I guess that settles my debatin on the 24-105 so thanks for clearing that up. So is f4 enough to handle the low light situations I usually find inside churches?
01/10/2007 10:23:44 AM · #7
You can handle low light with any aperture if you have a tripod. For shooting architectural interiors with a 30D the 17-40mm is probably not wide enough to satisfy you. The 10-22mm is an exceptionally good ultra-wide lens, and is my mainstay for landscape work as well. 10-22 + 24-70 + 70-200 gives you seamless coverage from ultra-wide to moderate telephoto with superior optics across the board.

R.
01/10/2007 03:47:47 PM · #8
okay that makes sense. I appreciate your comment about the 17 not being wide enough. The set-up you suggested sounds really good.

Anybody else?
01/10/2007 03:51:20 PM · #9
As well, many churches and interiors really benefit from off-camera flash to either even out the lighting or make it dramatic. I wouldn't let the lens "speed" dictate anything for static shooting. More depth of field is usually better, so the big apertures are often unused for that kind of thing anyway.
01/12/2007 03:43:35 AM · #10
Alright this is it, I'm putting the order in now. Why does this seem so pain-stakingly difficult?!? I am still not 100%.

dilemmas- I was going with bear_music's idea (10-22, 24-70, 70-200)but I'm worried that the 24-70 is going to be too heavy. I think the 17-40 might be to short for being the only lens I have to start out with. I am still considering the 24-105 but I'm worried about it's IQ and the overlap with the 70-200 when I get it. grrr. can anybody else give me last minute advice between these?
01/12/2007 05:17:58 AM · #11
the 10-22 is light and wide; a very nice piece of glass for the 30d. yes, the other lenses are heavy; but, if you're using a tripod, it won't really matter ;-)

also, it's more important to feel you have the glass for the situations you'll be in rather than to worry about overlap.

good luck!
01/12/2007 01:28:47 PM · #12
Hello, I am in a similar situation and after much reading I am deciding between the 24-70 2.8 and the 24-105 f4 IS. My uses are slightly different than yours. However, If I was shooting mainly landscapes and interiors opening to 2.8 is not that useful unless you are going for some real artzie stuff that probably won't sell ;).

I currently own a 70-200 f4 and must say I am kicking myself a bit not going with the 2.8 IS version. IS and 2.8 is the best of both worlds. I consider IS much more appropriate on a longer lens. If I owned the 70-200 2.8 IS I would get the 24-105 f4 for sure. Since having two f4's can present some problems.

Here is why I cannot decide on one or the other (which some are quite obvious):

24-70 2.8
PROS
- larger max. aperture
- flash shooting at 2.8 doesn't require flash to work as hard (flash is not affected by shutterspeed only by aperture)
- Brighter viewfinder and faster focus in lower light because of larger aperture

CONS
- bigger and heavier
- not as much reach, more lens switching when using just one body

24-105
PROS
- smaller and lighter
- IS hypothetically gains back an extra stop (claims up to 3) in handheld situations
- extra reach

CONS
- IS isn't going to save you when you need 2.8 i.e. more blurred background etc..

In the end they both have their tradeoffs (as do all lenses and combinations). With the 24-105 some say it overlaps with a 70-200 but in this case I say it is convienent. However owning an 18-200 and a 70-200 2.8...well that is more like overlap, why would you ever take the 18-200 off? Only if you need the extra stop THIS is the main factor to consider between these 2 lenses...and I guess the IS too.... ah decisions! Remember a little "overlap" isn't always a bad thing.

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