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01/08/2007 03:21:13 AM · #51 |
what I would like to see is that before you can see your own score you must vote on a minimum of 20%, and those 20% votes cannot be changed once your own score is viewed.
My reasoning is that I truly believe we all get biased depending on how our own image is scoring. I'm not saying we intentionally skew our voting based on how our own is doing, but subconsciously.
Rules aside - you will never put an end to crappy score as long as there are crappy voters |
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01/08/2007 03:26:14 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
what I would like to see is that before you can see your own score you must vote on a minimum of 20%, and those 20% votes cannot be changed once your own score is viewed.
My reasoning is that I truly believe we all get biased depending on how our own image is scoring. I'm not saying we intentionally skew our voting based on how our own is doing, but subconsciously.
Rules aside - you will never put an end to crappy score as long as there are crappy voters |
That's an interesting idea but I wonder if that would just make people vote quickly just to see their score. Maybe have the requirement be comments instead? Say x amount of comments gives you x amount of score updates? Of course one could raise plenty of issues with that too.
Message edited by author 2007-01-08 03:26:42. |
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01/08/2007 04:13:20 AM · #53 |
Politicians vote in elections in which they are running. I bet they even vote for themselves.
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01/08/2007 06:58:33 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by gg3rd:
Originally posted by David.C:
The only change to voting I can see benefitting the site would be to remove the running total of statistics during voting. No one knows how they are doing until all scores are in. |
It's a good idea: hide the score, keep showing everything else.
This might lead to great surprises when it rolls over (both pleasant and not so). |
I think it's a good idea to hide the running total as well.
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01/08/2007 06:59:29 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
what I would like to see is that before you can see your own score you must vote on a minimum of 20%, and those 20% votes cannot be changed once your own score is viewed.
My reasoning is that I truly believe we all get biased depending on how our own image is scoring. I'm not saying we intentionally skew our voting based on how our own is doing, but subconsciously.
Rules aside - you will never put an end to crappy score as long as there are crappy voters |
Great idea !
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01/08/2007 11:10:41 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
what I would like to see is that before you can see your own score you must vote on a minimum of 20%, and those 20% votes cannot be changed once your own score is viewed.
My reasoning is that I truly believe we all get biased depending on how our own image is scoring. I'm not saying we intentionally skew our voting based on how our own is doing, but subconsciously.
Rules aside - you will never put an end to crappy score as long as there are crappy voters |
I don't think any requirement that would have to be met by the photog themselves would work well. It would likely only lead to quick and sloppy actions to meet those requirements -- not something that is ever good for the community. :(
If a requirement for seeing scores was implemented it would need to be something the photog was not capable of influencing. Things such as 'x number of votes received', 'n days into the challenge' and such.
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01/08/2007 12:02:55 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by David.C:
I don't think any requirement that would have to be met by the photog themselves would work well. It would likely only lead to quick and sloppy actions to meet those requirements -- not something that is ever good for the community. :( ... |
I agree. People are who they are. Stinkers will be stinkers, and the honest will remain honest.
Restrictions are just that, restrictions...and in the end make most people irritated in some way, or at least, make things more difficult. Those that are "stinkers" will find a way around the restrictions anyway and as David pointed out, the results most likely wouldn't be positive.
edit to clarify the last sentence.
Message edited by author 2007-01-08 12:03:21.
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01/08/2007 12:39:47 PM · #58 |
We'll always find limitations, no matter what is the "perfect" system we can come up.
Therfore, for all of us who are looking for fair challenges outcomes (which I think is the vast majority in this site) the best to do is to refrain from voting when upset for not having so favourable comments or scores - or if you are on a bad-hair day, thus avoding skewing or trolling your voting.
edit: clarification and typo (has Langdon considered having spell checking on this?).
Message edited by author 2007-01-08 12:43:14.
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01/08/2007 12:50:28 PM · #59 |
I think we should be able to vote on our own entries and have that vote visible when the results are out.
And just a thought for all the people who are trying to force voters to comment or want to require comments or restrict the challenges people get to vote in.
We already have much lower numbers of votes than entries into the challenge.
There are already plenty of people wanting more comments than they currently get.
Why would you want to negatively affect the numbers of voters or comments by restricting voting or forcing commenting - both pretty much guaranteed to drive down the numbers of each. As someone much smarter than I pointed out a few days ago, comments are gifts to the photographer, not rights. Votes are the same - someone's taken the time to look at your picture and also taken the time to give you some feedback on it. Haranguing them or demanding more seems quite a churlish way to accept a gift.
Message edited by author 2007-01-08 12:52:00.
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01/08/2007 01:36:52 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by gg3rd:
edit: clarification and typo (has Langdon considered having spell checking on this?). |
Get Firefox: spell check functionality is built into it. Works anywhere you type in a data field.
R.
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01/08/2007 01:40:15 PM · #61 |
so what about the people who enter and dont vote? i dont enter that often but when i do i usually dont vote. i havent voted in a long time. i have an entry in best of 06 but i definitely wont be voting on it.
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
what I would like to see is that before you can see your own score you must vote on a minimum of 20%, and those 20% votes cannot be changed once your own score is viewed.
My reasoning is that I truly believe we all get biased depending on how our own image is scoring. I'm not saying we intentionally skew our voting based on how our own is doing, but subconsciously.
Rules aside - you will never put an end to crappy score as long as there are crappy voters |
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01/08/2007 02:58:40 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think we should be able to vote on our own entries and have that vote visible when the results are out.
And just a thought for all the people who are trying to force voters to comment or want to require comments or restrict the challenges people get to vote in.
We already have much lower numbers of votes than entries into the challenge.
There are already plenty of people wanting more comments than they currently get.
Why would you want to negatively affect the numbers of voters or comments by restricting voting or forcing commenting - both pretty much guaranteed to drive down the numbers of each. As someone much smarter than I pointed out a few days ago, comments are gifts to the photographer, not rights. Votes are the same - someone's taken the time to look at your picture and also taken the time to give you some feedback on it. Haranguing them or demanding more seems quite a churlish way to accept a gift. |
Gordon, my friend, it's getting to be a little scary at the number of times I've agreed with you lately. :) |
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01/08/2007 03:33:15 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Rules aside - you will never put an end to crappy score as long as there are crappy voters |
or crappy pictures |
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01/08/2007 04:12:13 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
comments are gifts to the photographer, not rights. Votes are the same - someone's taken the time to look at your picture and also taken the time to give you some feedback on it. Haranguing them or demanding more seems quite a churlish way to accept a gift. |
Wow, never thought about it like that, but I can agree 100% (both as giver and receiver). Thanks.
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