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11/01/2003 05:57:50 AM · #76
Originally posted by Sonifo:

I wonder if having an extra 2 week challenge would eliminate the snapshots. Give folks more time to take their shot.

I would really like to have a different area where we can just critique photos. I have read that people submit to get critiques.


2 week-long challenges: That's an interesting idea. We have tried it with the Hungarian similar site "Photorun" and the experiences we had are the following:

* The assignments got a lot of submissions, and most of them were really good shots, subject and quality as well. (There are also a number of low quality shots, like here, I think an absolute beginner who just shots out the window without thinking about the composition won't think that his shot's not that okay.)

* Another experience is that some people got bored because we had to wait ages for the vote session and the new assignment - "Oh man, I can't beleive we are still voting for primary colours?" and forum posts like that. Some of them even forgot that this site exists at all. But I guess those who take it serious and are the most likely to improve are mostly the ones who stayed.

* Now we are making an experiment about 1-week challenges. We haven't any experiences about it now, some say 1 week is not enough, 2 weeks are too much. I will tell you our experiences after some weeks, okay?

About critique bin: I like the idea very much! :-) Although I plan to be a member by the time I improve a lot and I can make some shots that will be acceptable for talented photographers as well, but I think non-member beginner users - including me - are those who really need some honest critiques on their shots in order to learn and improve. And portfolios are only for members.

I await the others' ideas and opinions. And of course, how it could be managed is another impontant point.

Message edited by author 2003-11-01 06:02:18.
11/01/2003 06:32:35 AM · #77
gee my photos are crap and I dont get high scores, all the good photos get the high scores. I feel ripped off.
11/01/2003 06:44:55 AM · #78
Originally posted by craigant:

gee my photos are crap and I dont get high scores, all the good photos get the high scores. I feel ripped off.


Crap? Some more self-confidence after this shot. :-) I really like this and you also got some 6s scores for it. :-)

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11/01/2003 06:47:54 AM · #79
Right, what craigant said. Let's change some rules so I can score higher.
11/01/2003 08:45:41 AM · #80
Originally posted by coolhar:

Right, what craigant said. Let's change some rules so I can score higher.


What rules for example?
11/01/2003 11:45:36 AM · #81
Originally posted by vadvirag:

Originally posted by coolhar:

Right, what craigant said. Let's change some rules so I can score higher.


What rules for example?

The one which says "1 = bad, 10 = good" might be a good starting point ....
11/01/2003 12:03:03 PM · #82
Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by Nusbaum:

I just didn't want to see experience photographers leave because the quality of voting has gone down (assuming ones on decent pictures mean it has).


These kind of bitch sessions are what tend to make me disappointed in this site. So many responses, so little time...

So here's just one: Everyone complains about winning/great photos getting 1s and 2s, and seem to think this is a new, ignorant breed of participants. I just took a sample glance through some of the earliest winners. Almost every one had at least a couple of 1s and 2s, including Drew's winner in the first challenge, Road Signs, which had only 9 entries and about 90 votes.

(Nothing personal against you David - just an easy target.)


No problem here... The odd thing is that I really don't have a problem with how the site works today, I just didn't want to see the more experience photographers leave. I'm an I/T architect so I tend to start looking for technical solutions to problems that I encounter. Showing Average vote by Critique Club seems like an easy way to give submitters another perspective on the quality of their work.
11/01/2003 12:34:02 PM · #83
Originally posted by coolhar:

Right, what craigant said. Let's change some rules so I can score higher.


Who said anything about changing the rules? I like the rules. We are talking about adding to the site.
11/01/2003 03:10:07 PM · #84
Originally posted by Sonifo:

Originally posted by coolhar:

Right, what craigant said. Let's change some rules so I can score higher.


Who said anything about changing the rules? I like the rules. We are talking about adding to the site.


I also like them. Time limit is for creativitation, do your best in short time, according to a subject. PS editing rule is because this is a photo site, not a PS one. I guess coolhar was just joking. :-) Anyway I asked him whether he has some toughtful ideas. I do not have.
11/01/2003 03:22:24 PM · #85
I think it is silly to put up a nice photo if it has nothing to do with the challenge. I also think somethings are really contrived trash.But in my few weeks here, I have forced myself to appear creative and I am amazed at some of the photos I have viewed. It seems that the winners are either classically or technically excellent, or super-creative.

Don't give up on the challenges- the way I see it is this

the bad or ill fitting photos make it easier to appreciate the
really creative or classically good photos.
11/01/2003 04:03:58 PM · #86
Since people are throwing out suggestions, why not add a little bit of what everyone wants.

Keep the two limited editing challenges, one for members and one open.

Add a third challenge with either semi-limited or no holds barred editing. - Member Only

Add a fourth two-week long juried limited-entry challenge. This requires the photos to meet a set technical? criteria before being allowed into the challenge. - Member Only

PROS:

Four possible opportunities to submit.
Two different entry timelines.
The ability to play with PS or whatever editing program you use.
An increase of 'perks' for those who pay the membership fee.
An increase of 'perks' to woo people to pay the membership fee.
Two more chances to get a ribbon
Etc

CONS:

Possible site overloading issues
Likely increase of needed work on the site
Four sets of photos needing votes & comments
Two times as many Rants about voting & comments
Need for a jury to pre-judge the entries for the two-week challenge
Conspiracies regarding the jury panel
Non-stop ranting about why a photo didn't make the cut
Two more chances to get last place
Etc

The easiest way I can image having the jury work out is having a pool of rotating volunteers. The caveat: when your turn to pre-judge is in effect, you cannot enter that challenge. This may make the volunteer pool rather empty though.

What do y'all think?

- Sia

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