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11/26/2006 11:40:35 AM · #1 |
tree that is ..
this seems to be the weekend to make up our minds
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11/26/2006 11:42:57 AM · #2 |
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11/26/2006 11:43:23 AM · #3 |
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11/26/2006 11:43:39 AM · #4 |
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11/26/2006 11:44:13 AM · #5 |
Going to get mine out of storage..... Artificial because of one child with severe allergies. But I like it that way. I am excited to get it up and decorated.
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11/26/2006 11:44:40 AM · #6 |
| I've never had a real one. I like the idea but I dont want sap or tree water or anything all over my floor. they seem like trouble and work. what is good about them except the smell? which I assume gets old fast. |
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11/26/2006 11:47:57 AM · #7 |
| artificial and go plant a damn tree instead of cutting another down. |
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11/26/2006 11:48:28 AM · #8 |
| I'm going to have my first artifical tree ever! I'm so excited! No mess, no fuss, no smell, no dogs trying to either eat it or pee on it! Hooray!! |
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11/26/2006 11:48:42 AM · #9 |
| artificial for last 8 years, environment responsible person should understand this :-) |
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11/26/2006 11:52:21 AM · #10 |
| Real - I grew up with a fake one and they are just not the same. |
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11/26/2006 11:58:05 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jaded_youth:
I've never had a real one. I like the idea but I dont want sap or tree water or anything all over my floor. they seem like trouble and work. what is good about them except the smell? which I assume gets old fast. |
I grew up with artificial and then started getting real trees once I got out of college. I was tentative about the same things....But I experienced no sap or tree water issues. You throw it out before the needles start to fall off. I highly recommend trying it once for the memory of the whole process: from picking one out to throwing it out. Quite fun. However, kdsprog is right about pets...but again thats funny if you allow it to be.
Originally posted by gooc:
artificial for last 8 years, environment responsible person should understand this :-) |
while i understand where you are going with this, one must remember The First Law of Themodynamics. So although you feel like you are hurting the enviro with that one little tree of the billions across the world, you actually are apart of nature and simply redistributing the microscopic universe....not hurting it. So just have fun with it.
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11/26/2006 11:59:15 AM · #12 |
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11/26/2006 12:08:41 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by gooc:
artificial for last 8 years, environment responsible person should understand this :-) |
I suspect that truly environmentally conscious people understand that cutting trees from an area where they are farmed specifically for this purpose is not harmful to the environment. |
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11/26/2006 12:12:58 PM · #14 |
while i understand where you are going with this, one must remember The First Law of Themodynamics. So although you feel like you are hurting the enviro with that one little tree of the billions across the world, you actually are apart of nature and simply redistributing the microscopic universe....not hurting it. So just have fun with it.
1 little tree X 1 billion people = 1 billion less trees, more waste, and less area for natural redistribuiton to occur. think about it. |
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11/26/2006 12:17:30 PM · #15 |
I suspect that truly environmentally conscious people understand that cutting trees from an area where they are farmed specifically for this purpose is not harmful to the environment.
even though the farm was probably grown on a natural grove and is now a field with nice little rows of small trees that do nothing but generate revenue for someone. |
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11/26/2006 12:39:42 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by deepfrog17:
I suspect that truly environmentally conscious people understand that cutting trees from an area where they are farmed specifically for this purpose is not harmful to the environment.
even though the farm was probably grown on a natural grove and is now a field with nice little rows of small trees that do nothing but generate revenue for someone. |
Not entirely true.
Every acre of Christmas trees produces the daily oxygen requirement for 18-19 people. Christmas tree farms in the US on a whole produce oxygen for about 18 million people a day.
Farms are frequently planted in soil that won't support other crops. They stabilize soil, protect water supplies and provide homes for wildlife. They also absorb carbon dioxide and other gases, not to mention providing scenic value.
Tree farmers plant 1-3 new seedlings for each tree they harvest. They are crops, managed on a sustainable basis and meant to be harvested.
Real trees can be replanted or recycled into a variety of products.
Christmas trees are a renewable, recyclable, natural product. Fake trees are nonrenewable, non-biodegradable piece of petroleum-based plastic frequently made in Chinese factories. Most consumers use them for an average of 5-7 years before they are thrown into a landfill for an eternity.
Think about that. |
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11/26/2006 01:02:22 PM · #17 |
well nice said mk, and the facts are probably true ... but not to complicate it any more, cutting down the tree for occasion like that where you can live with an nice artificial one (not needed to be "Fake trees are nonrenewable, non-biodegradable piece of petroleum-based plastic frequently made in Chinese factories.") i will not buy/cut down a real xmas tree !
oh yeah, there is an nice alternative, a real christmas tree in the pot and you can keep it for years, this is very okay idea :-) , what do you think ?
g. |
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11/26/2006 01:11:13 PM · #18 |
Real... for the smell alone.
Having said that: I'm not home enough to keep it watered, I cant stand cleaning up the needles after, and to kill another thing for a couple weeks enjoyment when there are some really lovely artificial trees that'll last years makes little sense to me. If I really want that smell I can take a walk in the woods ;)
Every year I see people out in the mountains (for those of you who know the area: The Spray Valley specifically in Alberta ) wandering off into the woods to cut their own trees down... drives me mad when there are tree lots around with trees that have been grown for just this reason... Leave the forest alone.. buy from the farms .. it may not feel as authentic.. but those little trees that are the perfect size for your house... have YEARs of growing to do out there in the wild.. (or whats left of it) ~winx~
Message edited by author 2006-11-26 13:17:31. |
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11/26/2006 01:29:56 PM · #19 |
No tree but if we had one it would be fake for the same reasons we would go with fake reindeer decorations for the yard.
Message edited by author 2006-11-26 13:30:18.
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11/26/2006 01:32:01 PM · #20 |
Everyone makes a personal decision on this one. I've gone the route from "in a pot" to cut short needle, or cut long needle. I never did the plastic trees.
But, finally, one day I said "Enough!" when I found some trees made in Mexico from recycled tin cans. They were in a small Mexican gallery here in San Francisco. My purchase benefited artisans in Mexico, and benefit me 'cause all I have to do is bring them out of storage and string the lights.
Not for everyone, it but suits me.
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11/26/2006 01:36:07 PM · #21 |
| Although we live in the bottom end of Africa, and it's likely to be 32 degrees on Christmas day, we have 2 trees every year: a mighty glorious fake one filled with every conceivable kitch decoration and bauble possible and a home-grown wooden one my best beloved made in our first year of marriage: after a Germanic design that is made of flat wooden planks with a hole in the middle, all posted down onto a central upright pole. This concertinas flat during the year and then at Christmas Time it swivles open in a spiralish shape. You then stand decorations on it as opposed to hanging.You also place tealights on the "branches" and then on Christmas Eve we light them all!! |
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11/26/2006 01:40:26 PM · #22 |
Real. But you can break real down into more categories. In order of preference...
1. Real - You cut
2. Real - Farm lot
3. Real - City lot
4. Real - Retailer (Home Depot, etc)
and of course as was mentioned by Shecoya
5. Real - National Park/Forest (theft/destruction of public property)
Nothing like making a day of it, visiting where they grow and cutting it down yourself. Singing carols in the car ride to the mountains. Walking through all the trees in the crisp air. Drinking hot chocolate while, ideally, dad cuts down the tree. I've taken the job my dad was formerly in charge of so it's not quite as fun as it used to be but very satisfying just the same. |
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11/26/2006 02:03:30 PM · #23 |
Christmas? This weekend? That's fast!
We're waiting for Sinterklaas to come by first on the 5th of december, after that we might get a tree in the house, but more likely not. We're not even home most of christmas time, and there are other things to use to decorate the house :) |
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11/26/2006 02:10:46 PM · #24 |
I don't care what size they are as long as they're real!
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11/26/2006 02:28:45 PM · #25 |
I prefer real, but have had a fake for about 5 years now.
What we did as kids was get a real tree (with the roots) and then we'd replant it after Christmas in the front yard. Too bad the gophers killed them all one year. |
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