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11/22/2006 02:11:58 AM · #1
No. I got about what I expected/deserved. But I was really disappointed to see that I had 8 1's. I have never personally given a single 1, reserving that score for an unimaginable disaster yet to be seen. I was actually rather proud of my shot, in a personal way.

Obviously, something sucked. A couple of 1's "happen", but 4%? In my vanity, I want to think that some folks just didn't understand the fencing headgear, but somewhere in the depths I am afraid that it was something else. Was it that bad technically?

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11/22/2006 02:19:20 AM · #2
It took me a long time to recognize it, and I'm sure some people didn't take the time to realize. Almost looks like a microphone. I'm not really sure why you got scored the way you did, I can never guess on here really. I don't think you deserved 1's.
11/22/2006 02:19:32 AM · #3
I'm guessing people didn't think that was headwear. Perhaps they didn't recognize what it was? I knew what it was and the lighting kinda reminded me of something De Sousa would do. Tough break.
11/22/2006 02:24:02 AM · #4
I suspect maybe some didn't recognize it as fencing attire. I'm with you though, 1's are reserved for 21.gif charliebaker 's famous shots(joking of course). IMHO, maybe 1 in about 1000 pics deserves a 1.
11/22/2006 02:24:43 AM · #5
Originally posted by jemison:

I have never personally given a single 1, reserving that score for an unimaginable disaster yet to be seen.


Do you similarly reserve the score of 10 for a masterpiece of unimaginable perfection yet to be seen?
11/22/2006 02:27:02 AM · #6
On my monitor, the image seems to lack a real black and instead appears grey and muddy.

11/22/2006 02:30:26 AM · #7
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by jemison:

I have never personally given a single 1, reserving that score for an unimaginable disaster yet to be seen.


Do you similarly reserve the score of 10 for a masterpiece of unimaginable perfection yet to be seen?


Usually that one is mine, and i am unable to vote on my own images ;)
11/22/2006 02:31:35 AM · #8
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by jemison:

I have never personally given a single 1, reserving that score for an unimaginable disaster yet to be seen.


Do you similarly reserve the score of 10 for a masterpiece of unimaginable perfection yet to be seen?


Almost. I have given a few 10's, though most of my votes range from 5-8.
11/22/2006 02:34:55 AM · #9
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

On my monitor, the image seems to lack a real black and instead appears grey and muddy.
I calibrate my monitor with a Spyder regularly, and there were certainly "real blacks" present. I think that many folks do have their monitors rather bright, though that is, of course, pure speculation.
11/22/2006 02:50:29 AM · #10
ok, it's obviously a fencing mask.
but if it wasn't submitted into a headgear challenge, I could have mistaken it for a filter used in meals preparation.
11/22/2006 02:52:27 AM · #11
For me -

Clearly recognisable as a fencing mask, especially given the title.

Pretty much spot on as regards to darkness/light.

Unfortunately, many people comment on my photos and say that they are overexposed and washed out, after I have spent much time checking that the exposure is fine. So I concur with you that some people have their monitors set really bright (rightly or wrongly) and you may have lost out there.

So the moral is - remember that many voters only give 2 seconds to each photo, even if they don't understand what it is.
11/22/2006 04:16:35 PM · #12
Let's see %4 of 214 votes.
Probably 3 or 4 of those votes were the typical 1's because they either did not like the photo or they were the normal troll vote that everyone is convinced about.

Now the other 4-5 "1" votes was probably due to the fact the voter did not know what the subject is. These were probably DNMC types of votes. You even got a comment saying they did not understand what the subject is. You got 10 comments, one of those says I don't understand the picture, that is 10% of the commenters. Extraploate that out and it is EASY to see how maybe 4% (or likely on 2%) did not understand the subject was head gear.

Change the title to something in English next time, say "Fencing Mask", even then not all the voters look at the title. It's a great picture. You got a ton of good votes. You are happy with the photo. Those should make you happy than a bunch of silly "1"s.
11/22/2006 04:21:18 PM · #13
I totally misunderstood your image on first viewing and gave a low rating (less than 4), then on reflection (oops -wrong challenge) I saw the fencing gear and the lighting was - way cool! Very nice abstract use of lighting and orientation to get an 8.
11/22/2006 04:28:31 PM · #14
Originally posted by jemison:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

On my monitor, the image seems to lack a real black and instead appears grey and muddy.
I calibrate my monitor with a Spyder regularly, and there were certainly "real blacks" present. I think that many folks do have their monitors rather bright, though that is, of course, pure speculation.


I have to agree with Spazmo99. I don't see any true blacks in there. I pulled the photo in photoshop and used a threshold adjustment layer to determine the darkest black and the darkest I found was a point that registered as Red: 5, Green 22, Blue 30. I also compared it to the voting bar with the tonal shades and couldn't find a spot that was as dark as the pure black on the voting bar.

Message edited by author 2006-11-22 16:29:57.
11/22/2006 04:51:09 PM · #15
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by jemison:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

On my monitor, the image seems to lack a real black and instead appears grey and muddy.
I calibrate my monitor with a Spyder regularly, and there were certainly "real blacks" present. I think that many folks do have their monitors rather bright, though that is, of course, pure speculation.


I have to agree with Spazmo99. I don't see any true blacks in there. I pulled the photo in photoshop and used a threshold adjustment layer to determine the darkest black and the darkest I found was a point that registered as Red: 5, Green 22, Blue 30. I also compared it to the voting bar with the tonal shades and couldn't find a spot that was as dark as the pure black on the voting bar.


I guess you didn't find the 0,17,27 area. Also, I duotoned to slightly cyan. Checking levels in each channel, only the blue channel came up with the black point just slightly off the end of scale. R&G are pegged at bottom.
11/22/2006 05:05:22 PM · #16
If its any consolation, I actually scored this higher than the top three, thought it fit the category very well, was creative and a good quality photo. I would be upset/angry to see those ones on there if I were you, as well.
11/22/2006 05:10:18 PM · #17
I'm thinking the one's were from people who didn't recognize what you photographed. (Essentially DNMC?) It appears that most of the people who "got it" and commented rated it quite high

Avg (commenters): 7.2000

I would say that those who commented and didn't get it would probably account for half of those 1's.



Message edited by author 2006-11-22 17:11:45.
11/22/2006 05:14:15 PM · #18
but.. but... there was help - the title! Or, was it supposed to be titled "A protective headgear for fencing"

good luck in the coming challenges.
11/22/2006 05:18:45 PM · #19
We'll just have to face it - there are some really, really awsome photographers here. They are the ones voting 1's. They apparently know a lot of secrets about photography, they know a lot about what makes a good photograph and what makes a bad one. The problem for us half decent shooters is that they they are not sharing. I mean, do you guys see them commenting???
It takes a genius to hand out 1's, it's as simple as that.

Message edited by author 2006-11-22 17:19:31.
11/22/2006 05:22:56 PM · #20
ah c'mon, it's a lame shot, quit trying to reason, it's lame, it scored lame, your gripe is lame, deal with it!
11/22/2006 05:23:10 PM · #21
Originally posted by jemison:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by jemison:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

On my monitor, the image seems to lack a real black and instead appears grey and muddy.
I calibrate my monitor with a Spyder regularly, and there were certainly "real blacks" present. I think that many folks do have their monitors rather bright, though that is, of course, pure speculation.


I have to agree with Spazmo99. I don't see any true blacks in there. I pulled the photo in photoshop and used a threshold adjustment layer to determine the darkest black and the darkest I found was a point that registered as Red: 5, Green 22, Blue 30. I also compared it to the voting bar with the tonal shades and couldn't find a spot that was as dark as the pure black on the voting bar.


I guess you didn't find the 0,17,27 area. Also, I duotoned to slightly cyan. Checking levels in each channel, only the blue channel came up with the black point just slightly off the end of scale. R&G are pegged at bottom.


It was a quick check but even that isn't black. Not that it matters or anything. I think voters just didn't understand what it was that they were looking at and probably also didn't get it from the title. As srdanz, alluded to it just didn't hit people over the head with the concept. I bet on average, voters spend about 1 second per photo when voting unless something grabs their attention like say bursts of color tend to do.

Message edited by author 2006-11-22 17:23:55.
11/22/2006 05:23:52 PM · #22
Did you happen read 2 of your comments?
--I am sorry but I don't get this one. Interesting photo but not sure how it is headwear.
--smoke machine?
I'm pretty sure that's 2 of your 1's and most of the rest had the same reaction....
11/22/2006 05:26:15 PM · #23
Maybe 8 people were involved in horrible fencing incidents and are repulsed emotionally by this image... Or just maybe 8 people just plain didn't like the shot...
11/22/2006 05:27:13 PM · #24
Oh my God, how can this thread continue? It's a lame shot folks, LAME!
11/22/2006 05:29:45 PM · #25
Originally posted by media:

Oh my God, how can this thread continue? It's a lame shot folks, LAME!

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