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11/20/2006 10:06:34 AM · #1
You was perfectly safe, when out on work parties the guards carry unloaded weapons and plastic clubs. We all know this but of course the convicts don't. My guess is he saw you eating that donut and came over for a bite. When he arrived at your side he realized the donut was gone and you absolutely refused to drop the soap. Therefore he had wasted several precious calories and was now both hungry and sexually frustrated. I can't believe you didn't give him a hand or buy him another donut.

Remember when out in the public you need to know what the customs and courtesies are. In some countries you should carry extra cigarettes, in other chocholate bars, in some bubble gum; with these gentlemen a soap on a rope would have been appropriate.

p.s. I apologize to all my fellow DPC felons who were protecting their private and most inner-most feeling. Now the world knows why we .....
11/20/2006 10:04:01 AM · #2
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

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that dude kinda looks liek the actor Niki Katt to me.
11/20/2006 09:51:11 AM · #3
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11/19/2006 09:02:53 PM · #4
Originally posted by American_Horse:

Originally posted by aliqui:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

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Slippy, when back in the safty of your neck of the woods. PS the guard wearing a pink pokadotted dress, then email it to him.

And see if you can borrow some cheese for the photo :-)

11/19/2006 09:00:47 PM · #5
Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:


I thought public was fair game. Was the sherrif making things up? Also, this was a police benefit or some such thing, so nearly the entire police force (New Orleans) was there.

Curiuos.


Did you give him your name? If not, print a copy of this and send it to his boss with the date and time indicated. Anonymously of course. That frown deserves a reward, one way or another. If they both thought you were press, he'll sit well with the boss. I've seen that type of face. Usually when someone sees a cockroach or has to clean a very dirty toilet.

Good advice. Perhaps the sheriff was concerned because he was supposed to be working somewhere else, not sitting around relaxing.

Did the sheriff leave the convicts unaccompanied when he approached you? I'm sure his boss would want to hear all about that (how long, how far away, etc)

Perhaps a letter to the editor of the local paper describing this "Southern Hospitality" would help.
11/19/2006 02:00:29 PM · #6
Originally posted by BusanBoy:

A major concern for law enforcement is people gathering counter intelligence. If your taking pictures you could be getting info on how sheriffs operate, how convicts are transported, etc. Raid on Outlaw Bike Gangs like Hells Angels have found info on police officers, where they ilve, what they drive, all kinds of info. If you're taking picture of how police operate, you'll probably get questioned. I don't think it's illegal, but you might want to keep in mind what they may be concerned about.


I think the problem is that he wasn't questioned -- he was intimidated and coerced into stopping.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2006-11-19 14:00:40.
11/19/2006 01:38:13 PM · #7
Originally posted by BusanBoy:

A major concern for law enforcement is people gathering counter intelligence. If your taking pictures you could be getting info on how sheriffs operate, how convicts are transported, etc. Raid on Outlaw Bike Gangs like Hells Angels have found info on police officers, where they ilve, what they drive, all kinds of info. If you're taking picture of how police operate, you'll probably get questioned. I don't think it's illegal, but you might want to keep in mind what they may be concerned about.


Yeah well - luckily we have laws (or at least used to) to stop irrational paranoia from James Bond/Rambo types. If they don't want convicts to be photographed then don't bring them out in public or build the prison away from public access.
11/19/2006 01:26:28 PM · #8
A major concern for law enforcement is people gathering counter intelligence. If your taking pictures you could be getting info on how sheriffs operate, how convicts are transported, etc. Raid on Outlaw Bike Gangs like Hells Angels have found info on police officers, where they ilve, what they drive, all kinds of info. If you're taking picture of how police operate, you'll probably get questioned. I don't think it's illegal, but you might want to keep in mind what they may be concerned about.
11/19/2006 01:16:00 PM · #9
Originally posted by redsunphotography:



If a cop is ever hassling you for taking photos in a public place, notify him that the law allows you to take pictures of anything or anyone you want in a public space. If he tries to take your camera, or tries to arrest you, even better. You've got a nice and easy lawsuit on your hands for assault or wrongful arrest.



Sure, that sounds like fun. A lawsuit after you get beaten to a pulp like Rodney King.
11/19/2006 12:07:25 PM · #10
Originally posted by tryals15:

geez, Slippy... You just had to go and stir up trouble while you were here... =]

LOL, I tried to behave. Sometimes trouble just follows me around. :-)
11/19/2006 12:02:10 PM · #11
geez, Slippy... You just had to go and stir up trouble while you were here... =]
11/19/2006 11:25:36 AM · #12
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Slippy is not a US citizen or even a US resident, so his rights are not the same. The legal barriers to sending him home and not allowing him back are extremely low.

~Terry


Actually, I am both a citizen of the US of A, and Canada. I'm a dual citizen. :-)

I am free to wreak havoc in two countries, isn't that sweet? It's nice to have USA as a backup plan in case Canada thows me out, or I get fed up with something and leave. :-D

Message edited by author 2006-11-19 11:28:23.
11/19/2006 08:24:57 AM · #13
Originally posted by redsunphotography:

Tell them you're a journalist, too. That'll greatly decrease chances of them hassling you, cuz they know you'll know the law surrounding it.


...except that making unsworn falsifications to authorities is a crime.

EDIT: Unless he actually is, in which case it's fine. In any case, though, remember that Slippy is not a US citizen or even a US resident, so his rights are not the same. The legal barriers to sending him home and not allowing him back are extremely low.

~Terry

Message edited by author 2006-11-19 08:28:11.
11/19/2006 02:46:50 AM · #14
Doesn't matter who it is, if they are in a public space, you can take all the pictures of them you want. Even if they come up to you and tell you not to, police, SWAT, FBI, CIA, anyone, doesn't matter. Crime scene, grisly murder, bomb threat, if you can see it in public, it's fair game.

The law on that is extremely lax, as well. If you're standing on your street, say, and someone is naked in front of their window, you can take their picture all you want. If you however had to jump their fence and scale their eavestrough to get the photo, that would be illegal.

If a cop is ever hassling you for taking photos in a public place, notify him that the law allows you to take pictures of anything or anyone you want in a public space. If he tries to take your camera, or tries to arrest you, even better. You've got a nice and easy lawsuit on your hands for assault or wrongful arrest.

Tell them you're a journalist, too. That'll greatly decrease chances of them hassling you, cuz they know you'll know the law surrounding it.
11/19/2006 01:59:38 AM · #15
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

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Hahahaha....classic! ;)
11/19/2006 01:58:56 AM · #16
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

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OMG !!! I'm LMAO !!!! Awesome Job !!!
11/19/2006 01:43:27 AM · #17
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11/19/2006 12:08:38 AM · #18
Originally posted by Ivo:

hmmm, Maybe they'll be okay with a starting wage of $25.00 per hour.... at Tim Horton's.


Interesting salary, but when one considers the cost of living in that locality, moving there might not prove to be the wisest of decisions.

Ray
11/18/2006 11:49:08 PM · #19
Did you tell the sheriff that the boys can come to Canada and finsih their time in Fort McMurray? Hey I know, you're a talent scout! Well, it looks as if they have work boots and clean coveralls already. hmmm, Maybe they'll be okay with a starting wage of $25.00 per hour.... at Tim Horton's.
11/18/2006 11:48:28 PM · #20
Originally posted by petrakka:

...and I think it is fair to explain to them that you are photographing them. You can do this before or afterwards...

You DO see the look on the sheriff's face, don't you? He took care of the explaining afterwards. I was very intimidated.
Originally posted by petrakka:

You are getting a personal gain out of their presence.

I normally just assume keep the inmates in.

Thank you for your response, though. We are all very proud of you.
11/18/2006 11:33:43 PM · #21
slippy, no, it's not illegal.

What I think everyone here has failed to mention though it is still awkward to 'poach' photos of a defined subject such as convicts.

I don't mean the type of street photos you see that define the morning rush to work, etc.

But the convicts hold a different interest than normal people cruising the street, and I think it is fair to explain to them that you are photographing them. You can do this before or afterwards...but I still think it is fair to do. You are getting a personal gain out of their presence.

This is my approach to doing this, and it's what I get paid to do on a daily basis. The more I work the more I learn you need utmost respect and care for all the subjects of your photograph.

But it's not illegal.
11/18/2006 11:25:32 PM · #22
:-P
11/18/2006 11:10:48 PM · #23
Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by yanko:

Just curious, had these not been convicts and a sherif but rather a couple would you still shoot? Reason why I ask is it appears judging from this photo they were trying to maintain some sort privacy camped under that tree which is what most people tend to do when they want some privacy in a public place.

LOL, get serious. You have no idea what the surroundings are like from my crop, LOL! What a joke! :-D

Woah - first time I've seen Slippy get serious and retaliate. Ahhh... But the :-D smiley let him down....

:-p


Yeah what's with the smilie thing? Slip needs to grow a pair... :P

Oh wait, disregard that smilie!!!!
11/18/2006 11:05:53 PM · #24
Originally posted by CaliKat07:

Hehe, my family was stationed at an Army Base in Europe (a HQ of some sorts) and I rode the bus onto the base. One day a friend of mine shot some pics, and all the MPs started screaming and running after our bus, waving machine guns at us. Luckily, our driver was a dumkopf, and didn't even notice. We rode away, laughing our extremities off.


Yes, I did that at a Bolivia/Peru border point once, and only a very, very sweet smile and wave got me out of trouble plus the fact that our papers had been processed (and other formalities had been met) and we were on our way out. Oh, yeah, the picture wasn't much good.

I'd like to say I never did that again, but, well there was that other time...
11/18/2006 10:33:53 PM · #25
Oh well. Apparently New Orleans is sinking again:

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