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11/01/2006 01:09:30 PM · #26
Originally posted by pawdrix:


I'll start things off with Oversaturation. To the extent that beautiful natural landscapes and skylines look nothing like the original...not a good thing (IMO). Again playing with the color sliders to exaggerate Ooooh and Ahhhh colors is Photoshop 101. Amateurish IMO.


That's just Landscape Photography 101, for the last 20 years or so.

Got Velvia ? - check

Now it's Got Saturation slider ? - check

Now Neat Image/ Noise Ninja - horrible when used unsubtly. I can't understand why anyone who uses it to remove all texture from someone's skin things it looks good. I've never understood the plastic people perspective.

Message edited by author 2006-11-01 13:10:24.
11/01/2006 01:11:30 PM · #27
I know what photo you're referring to Pawdrix. I thought the same thing...I don't think I looked at it as Vaseline, but I know what you're talking about. And yes, that's a perfect example of what's going on. How did that one get on the front????? Very strange. If it is a trend, I hope it goes away soon.
11/01/2006 01:13:30 PM · #28
this is why i created a photoblog. It helps me to use this site as kind of an online board game, while still having a place to post pictures that I think are a better representation of my abilities.
11/01/2006 01:15:14 PM · #29
Originally posted by chafer:

I know what photo you're referring to Pawdrix. I thought the same thing...I don't think I looked at it as Vaseline, but I know what you're talking about. And yes, that's a perfect example of what's going on. How did that one get on the front????? Very strange. If it is a trend, I hope it goes away soon.

The fact that it got to the front page shows that your views on it, are in the minority of the voters here. Not meant to be a smart ass, just an observation.

edit to add....I don't like excessive noise revomal either.

Message edited by author 2006-11-01 13:16:36.
11/01/2006 01:16:11 PM · #30
you can always vote the ones you feel are overprocessed as you see fit.

Message edited by author 2006-11-01 13:16:22.
11/01/2006 01:16:29 PM · #31
The worst I think is the heavy relying on post-processing instead of artistic view/good composition & exposure for the impact of the image. On the other hand, nothing beats a good combination of all of the above, including post-processing.

But as for it being a trend, it's been around all along, so it's not anything new. Neither is it new to start yet another thread to denounce the downfall of DPC as a photography site, its slide into the pits of digital art.

I don't know. I think the challenge topics lately have been somewhat uninspiring, as have the outcomes of the challenges. For myself, I have thought lately I'd like to try new things, maybe even outside of DPC. Yet, DPC is so much fun! What would I do without threads like this?
11/01/2006 01:18:45 PM · #32
Originally posted by ursula:

For myself, I have thought lately I'd like to try new things, maybe even outside of DPC.


You know, it is allowed to do other things as well.

Shocking, I know. But people get away with it all the time. There is a peculiar dpc aesthetic. It is shared by parts of the photographic world, reviled by other parts. Certainly doesn't hurt to get away from that aesthetic every now and then. Also isn't a bad idea to focus on one topic for more than such a short space of time too. The weekly challenge treadmill almost demands superficial treatment of a subject.

Message edited by author 2006-11-01 13:20:08.
11/01/2006 01:19:25 PM · #33
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by pawdrix:


I'll start things off with Oversaturation. To the extent that beautiful natural landscapes and skylines look nothing like the original...not a good thing (IMO). Again playing with the color sliders to exaggerate Ooooh and Ahhhh colors is Photoshop 101. Amateurish IMO.


That's just Landscape Photography 101, for the last 20 years or so.

Got Velvia ? - check

Now it's Got Saturation slider ? - check


I think it's gotten super heavy handed here and at times to the level of creepy-bad or just plain old tacky.

Ursula-I agree with you to a degree that these pp techniques have been around for ages but it's undeniable that it's gotten heavy...heavy...heavy handed. I see more seriously overstaurated images these days in Challenges than I ever did before.

Message edited by author 2006-11-01 13:24:50.
11/01/2006 01:21:10 PM · #34
Originally posted by pawdrix:


I think it's gotten super heavy handed here and at times to the level of creepy-bad or just plain old tacky.


300+ entries per challenge. Seconds per view for voting. It's all about impact, impact, impact. Subtle doesn't get a look in.
11/01/2006 01:23:49 PM · #35
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by ursula:

For myself, I have thought lately I'd like to try new things, maybe even outside of DPC.


You know, it is allowed to do other things as well.

Shocking, I know. But people get away with it all the time. There is a peculiar dpc aesthetic. It is shared by parts of the photographic world, reviled by other parts. Certainly doesn't hurt to get away from that aesthetic every now and then. Also isn't a bad idea to focus on one topic for more than such a short space of time too. The weekly challenge treadmill almost demands superficial treatment of a subject.


Don't worry, I've been thinking about it a lot. I'm slow at making decisions.
11/01/2006 01:24:43 PM · #36
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by pawdrix:


I think it's gotten super heavy handed here and at times to the level of creepy-bad or just plain old tacky.


300+ entries per challenge. Seconds per view for voting. It's all about impact, impact, impact. Subtle doesn't get a look in.

My bad, "overprocessed" pictures almost always get more comments than my beautiful, subtly-processed ones ... : (
11/01/2006 01:24:51 PM · #37
Originally posted by ursula:

as for it being a trend, it's been around all along, so it's not anything new. Neither is it new to start yet another thread to denounce the downfall of DPC as a photography site, its slide into the pits of digital art.


Totally agree. I actually checked the date of the first post to see if it was dredged up from 2004. I've seen original captures that look completely fake, and images that have been Photoshopped to death that look completely natural. As for whether others agree that recent high-placing images are OVERprocessed, if the bulk of DPC didn't find them appealing, they wouldn't have placed as high as they did. :-/
11/01/2006 01:30:33 PM · #38
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by pawdrix:


I'll start things off with Oversaturation. To the extent that beautiful natural landscapes and skylines look nothing like the original...not a good thing (IMO). Again playing with the color sliders to exaggerate Ooooh and Ahhhh colors is Photoshop 101. Amateurish IMO.


That's just Landscape Photography 101, for the last 20 years or so.

Got Velvia ? - check

Now it's Got Saturation slider ? - check

Now Neat Image/ Noise Ninja - horrible when used unsubtly. I can't understand why anyone who uses it to remove all texture from someone's skin things it looks good. I've never understood the plastic people perspective.


honestly i think the neat image problem is steming from people complaining about noise so much when commenting. for instance I take a photo that is underexposed and when i fix it it is noisy. I submit it and get hammered with"too much noise" instead of being told or figuring out that i need to expose my shot properly i jsut use neat image and usually too much. because all the comments were about the noise in my last avg shot i fgure if i git rid of the noise then it will be better which is not always the case.

Personally I tend to process some shots a bunch and many say too much. Many times I am not trying to imitate life I am creating what I feel is art. If one were to look through my profile you will find shots that are good and bad (none that are great yet) and some with lots of processing and some with jsut enough or none at all.
11/01/2006 01:32:37 PM · #39
Ursula-I agree with you to a degree that these pp techniques have been around for ages but it's undeniable that it's gotten heavy...heavy...heavy handed. I see more seriously overstaurated images these days in Challenges than I ever did before.

I'll speak for myself but I think it's beyond obvious that more people are leaning towards oversaturation these days. Way more than I recall before.

Oversharpening seems to be in vogue these days as well. I don't get it.

11/01/2006 01:33:33 PM · #40
Originally posted by ursula:

Neither is it new to start yet another thread to denounce the downfall of DPC as a photography site, its slide into the pits of digital art.


LMAO!
11/01/2006 01:35:24 PM · #41
Originally posted by ursula:

Neither is it new to start yet another thread to denounce the downfall of DPC as a photography site, its slide into the pits of digital art.


Where are we going ? And why am I in this hand basket ?

Aren't we there yet ?
11/01/2006 01:35:47 PM · #42
Originally posted by pawdrix:

I see more seriously overstaurated images these days in Challenges than I ever did before.


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Overprocessing (or the appearance of it) is neither new nor necessarily undesirable.

Message edited by author 2006-11-01 14:00:29.
11/01/2006 01:41:53 PM · #43
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Ursula-I agree with you to a degree that these pp techniques have been around for ages but it's undeniable that it's gotten heavy...heavy...heavy handed. I see more seriously oversaturated images these days in Challenges than I ever did before.

I'll speak for myself but I think it's beyond obvious that more people are leaning towards oversaturation these days. Way more than I recall before.

Over-sharpening seems to be in vogue these days as well. I don't get it.


Steve,

No disrespect intended here, but I look at your portfolio, and at least 4 out of your top 7 scores are at least heavily processed, if not over-processed. Look at the images form your portfolio that people repeatedly choose as favorites.

I think you see over-saturation and oversharpening here because images that are sharp and contrasty do well here. I know when I try to back off from that my score suffers. My train entry is a good example. Flat monochromatic image that got a lot of good comments, but scored a sub 6.

When people look at the top scoring photos in the challenges they will try to emulate the winning formulas.


11/01/2006 01:44:35 PM · #44
I've been around since 2002 and the 'over-processed' approach would not have done well from 2002-2005. I spent some time earlier voting on the Free Study images. I have given lower scores to images that are "poorly" over processed. As for the images on the winning page, there are some images that have been over processed exceptionally well.

Various trends have come and gone at DPC. I remember when selective desaturation was the hot thing. Once the fad was over, selective desat images were scored with a hack and slash brutality. I imaging a time will come when the heavily dodged/burned and over-saturated fad will get ripped on voting. Right now, though, it is popular if done well.

I remember when every challenge had several submissions of words printed on paper and then photographed in some 'creative' way. You didn't want to be the one to submit a photo in the style of an out-dated fad.

What do you think will be the next trend here?

JD
11/01/2006 01:44:47 PM · #45
Saturation and sharpening aren't the problem. The lack of skillful application is. There are always going to be head scratchers on the front page - there is a bell curve, after all, so not everyone is going to love every photo. At any given time, I disagree with the ribbon choices, and even wonder what people were thinking when they voted up something that to me just looks like a victim of terrible processing, but I always see excellent photos on the front page as well. C'est la vie.

A long time ago, when I first started shooting all my naturey stuff, I decided that I didn't want to restore a photo to reality so much as I wanted it to be what I remembered, which bears the acknowledgement that memory and reality were rarely going to match up. Photography doesn't have to portray what is real. Anyone who thinks that a photo tells the truth is deluded. The photo shows what the photographer wants you to see, no matter how touched up or left alone it is in post-processing. Journalistic photos have their own rules handed down from editors with the intention of not corrupting journalistic integrity or reducing themselves to tabloids. But the rest of us are creating art, not reality. That art happens to be generated from a photo, no matter how extensive the alterations to it.
11/01/2006 01:47:13 PM · #46
Originally posted by smellyfish1002:

I've been around since 2002 and the 'over-processed' approach would not have done well from 2002-2005. I spent some time earlier voting on the Free Study images. I have given lower scores to images that are "poorly" over processed. As for the images on the winning page, there are some images that have been over processed exceptionally well.

Various trends have come and gone at DPC. I remember when selective desaturation was the hot thing. Once the fad was over, selective desat images were scored with a hack and slash brutality. I imaging a time will come when the heavily dodged/burned and over-saturated fad will get ripped on voting. Right now, though, it is popular if done well.

I remember when every challenge had several submissions of words printed on paper and then photographed in some 'creative' way. You didn't want to be the one to submit a photo in the style of an out-dated fad.

What do you think will be the next trend here?

JD


Infra-red is getting a bit long in the tooth for me.
11/01/2006 01:50:58 PM · #47
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by ursula:

Neither is it new to start yet another thread to denounce the downfall of DPC as a photography site, its slide into the pits of digital art.


Where are we going ? And why am I in this hand basket ?

Aren't we there yet ?


Beats me. Sounds like stereotypical kids on a trip, "Are we there yet?" :)

But seriously, at this particular time I am not all that concerned with where DPC is going. I'm trying to figure out where I'm going. I just think it's sort of fun that these threads keep popping up.
11/01/2006 01:51:44 PM · #48
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by ursula:

Neither is it new to start yet another thread to denounce the downfall of DPC as a photography site, its slide into the pits of digital art.


LMAO!


Always glad to make you laugh, Leroy :))))))
11/01/2006 01:54:05 PM · #49
Just a reminder not all shots are heavily processed, even if it looks as it has been......
11/01/2006 01:54:12 PM · #50
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Ursula-I agree with you to a degree that these pp techniques have been around for ages but it's undeniable that it's gotten heavy...heavy...heavy handed. I see more seriously overstaurated images these days in Challenges than I ever did before.

I'll speak for myself but I think it's beyond obvious that more people are leaning towards oversaturation these days. Way more than I recall before.

Oversharpening seems to be in vogue these days as well. I don't get it.


I don't know if I agree or not. It's true that I was thinking along the same lines, stuff looks a bit heavy handed lately, a bit more than a bit at times, and oversaturated, and oversharpened. But I'm thinking that's not a new thing. I think, sometimes, that nowadays I notice things I wouldn't have noticed in the past. And then I wonder if that's good or bad. Oh well.
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