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10/14/2003 03:19:37 PM · #1
Here I go again with my "narrow minded definitions".

To best meet the challenge of "exposed", I say you should show something
that not only is normally not seen, but something that is NORMALLY
INTENTIONALLY KEPT PRIVATE.

Thus the diary, the tattoo, the nude were excellent subjects.

(And okay, the exposed rolls of film win points too, for being witty)

Would anyone agree with me on this or am I out flapping in the breeze as usual?


10/14/2003 03:27:30 PM · #2
You could use the extra info that the challenge description stated :

" Things that used to be concealed - now revealed..."

This description has a heck of alot of meanings, and anyone meeting this, has met the challenge, and rightfully so.

Just for the record, I have nothing in this challenge :)





10/14/2003 03:34:45 PM · #3
You're rewriting the challenge to be something it isn't. Your definition is NOT what the challenge says. Thus, you do not meet the challenge...

Luckily you can't vote in a member contest.
10/14/2003 03:39:49 PM · #4
Please note that I didn't say anything about NOT meeting the challenge, just about BEST meeting the challenge.

This is part of the Miriam-Webster definition of "Exposed", just so you know that I'm not the only one who
understands it this way.

a : to make known : bring to light (as something shameful)

So while everthing there probably meets the challenge, I was discussing what might BEST meet the challenge
10/14/2003 03:40:03 PM · #5
Originally posted by stevenayer:

Here I go again with my "narrow minded definitions".

To best meet the challenge of "exposed", I say you should show something
that not only is normally not seen, but something that is NORMALLY
INTENTIONALLY KEPT PRIVATE.

Thus the diary, the tattoo, the nude were excellent subjects.

(And okay, the exposed rolls of film win points too, for being witty)

Would anyone agree with me on this or am I out flapping in the breeze as usual?


No offense but I think you're flapping on this one. The challenge says: Things that used to be concealed - no revealed." So far, of all the shots I've commented and voted on, they have all met the challenge on one level or another. But that's just me flapping this time :)

Deannda
Known to cause a lot of wind when talking :) or is that hot air?
10/14/2003 03:41:47 PM · #6
I snuck one in before your comment neuferland, that might help explain my position. I think everything met the challenge too.
10/14/2003 03:44:38 PM · #7
I'd take this post seriously were "Exposed" spelled right in the name of the thread and were the name of the dictionary you're quoting -- Merriam-Webster -- not misspelled as "Miriam-Webster," and were you in fact a voting member, and were you not redefining the challenge for no visible reason.

The example accompanying your dictionary definition -- "as something shameful" -- is just that, an EXAMPLE. It is not part of the definition and does not limit or restrict the meaning of the word. It provides a usage clarification. Of course, far be it from me to explain this to an owner of the venerated "Miriam-Webster" dictionary.

Message edited by author 2003-10-14 15:44:47.
10/14/2003 03:48:58 PM · #8
Wow - you are wound pretty tight aren't ya Kostia? :-)
10/14/2003 03:50:14 PM · #9
Originally posted by kostia:

I'd take this post seriously were "Exposed" spelled right in the name of the thread and were the name of the dictionary you're quoting -- Merriam-Webster -- not misspelled as "Miriam-Webster," and were you in fact a voting member, and were you not redefining the challenge for no visible reason.

The example accompanying your dictionary definition -- "as something shameful" -- is just that, an EXAMPLE. It is not part of the definition and does not limit or restrict the meaning of the word. It provides a usage clarification. Of course, far be it from me to explain this to an owner of the venerated "Miriam-Webster" dictionary.


Well put!
10/14/2003 04:07:19 PM · #10
Well, I raised some dander obviously with this thread.

That was not my intention.

Your scores were never in danger since I'm not a paying member of the site.

Still I can't help but wonder.... did you jump down my throat because you
felt I was a threat to your scores, or do you really believe that people who
make typos and aren't members of your clique are not worthy of your consideration?

Sigh, guess this one is not likely to win me any friends either, but can't the pursuit of photographic excellence be fun?


10/14/2003 04:35:28 PM · #11
This is one of the problems I have with voting. Of course we must vote whether or not the photo meets the challenge, but each photographer shoots according to his personal definition of the subject. Do we vote on other's shots using our own personal definition, or do we try to determine the photographer's intent. I personally try to do the latter, because I try not to assume to tell the photographer what I think he should shoot, rather, try to understand his own intent and thus expand my own understanding of a subject. I think this is how we all can grow.
10/14/2003 04:47:52 PM · #12
I think its a good idea to not let yourself get too wrapped up in the challenge topic. Enjoy the photography.
10/14/2003 04:51:10 PM · #13
i've had 3 people leave comments along the lines of:

'great photo, would give it a 9, but it doesn't quite meet the challenge so I'll give you a 3'

...ouch!
10/14/2003 04:56:03 PM · #14
Originally posted by stevenayer:

Wow - you are wound pretty tight aren't ya Kostia? :-)


I'm a copyeditor by nature and trade, and I consider sloppy, uncareful language a symptom of sloppy and uncareful thinking. If you want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is speak and write correctly. When what you're saying isn't worth taking seriously, speaking and writing correctly can get people to listen to you who ordinarily wouldn't bother.

Miriam-Webster. Honestly. How can someone spell the name of the dictionary wrong when the dictionary is right there next to him?

Originally posted by stevenayer:

Still I can't help but wonder.... did you jump down my throat because you felt I was a threat to your scores, or do you really believe that people who make typos and aren't members of your clique are not worthy of your consideration?


I "jumped" because your post was such a good example of so many problems. I'm not a member of any "clique." I harbor no illusions about whether being the grammar police makes me friends.
10/14/2003 06:01:41 PM · #15
'No-one ever lost out by underestimating the intelligence of their audience'. It applies here as much as anywhere, I'm afraid. I'm certainly guilty of over-estimating that of a number of voters this time :-)

I'm perhaps a little embittered by getting comment asking how my shot meets the challenge - and I oculdn't imagine how anyone could see how it fails to meet the challenge: and even meets it in about three ways. I hereby declare my sympathy with the growing number of these threads.

Ed
10/14/2003 06:09:35 PM · #16
If everyone all took photos that everyone liked then there would be one collective score all roughly around the 10 mark. There would be no one who stands out from the crowd - no one who is special - no one who pioneers and no one whose work others dislike and then, as is frequently the case, finally admire.

Sometimes you've got to be content to follow your own instincts, be authentic and believe in your own work - and if others can lock into it, then that's a bonus. Here, it's swings and roundabouts - sometimes people are with you, at other times you lose them. I quite enjoy that!
10/14/2003 07:32:52 PM · #17
Originally posted by kostia:

I'm a copyeditor by nature and trade, and I consider sloppy, uncareful language a symptom of sloppy and uncareful thinking. If you want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is speak and write correctly. When what you're saying isn't worth taking seriously, speaking and writing correctly can get people to listen to you who ordinarily wouldn't bother.


Well put...
I can't believe the amount of entries every challenge with a misspelt title. How am I supposed to take the photo/photographer seriously? Photography is all about image, and bad spelling/grammar gives a bad image.
10/14/2003 07:38:20 PM · #18
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Originally posted by kostia:

I'm a copyeditor by nature and trade, and I consider sloppy, uncareful language a symptom of sloppy and uncareful thinking. If you want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is speak and write correctly. When what you're saying isn't worth taking seriously, speaking and writing correctly can get people to listen to you who ordinarily wouldn't bother.


Well put...
I can't believe the amount of entries every challenge with a misspelt title. How am I supposed to take the photo/photographer seriously? Photography is all about image, and bad spelling/grammar gives a bad image.


Misspelt = The bad, ugly and otherwise deprecated spelling of "misspelled"

lol, I still like you Bob :)

According to the Oxford American Heritage Dictionary, Herald colleges edition, both "misspelled" and "misspelt" are acceptible. Crap, who knew..lol



Message edited by author 2003-10-14 19:41:03.
10/14/2003 07:43:43 PM · #19
Originally posted by scab-lab:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Originally posted by kostia:

I'm a copyeditor by nature and trade, and I consider sloppy, uncareful language a symptom of sloppy and uncareful thinking. If you want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is speak and write correctly. When what you're saying isn't worth taking seriously, speaking and writing correctly can get people to listen to you who ordinarily wouldn't bother.


Well put...
I can't believe the amount of entries every challenge with a misspelt title. How am I supposed to take the photo/photographer seriously? Photography is all about image, and bad spelling/grammar gives a bad image.


Misspelt = The bad, ugly and otherwise deprecated spelling of "misspelled"

lol, I still like you Bob :)

According to the Oxford American Heritage Dictionary, Herald colleges edition, both "misspelled" and "misspelt" are acceptible. Crap, who knew..lol


Lol, Word doesn't seem to like it.

Ah well, my point is that my DPC entries' titles are all spelt correctly, as I want people to score them well...
10/14/2003 07:51:44 PM · #20
Maybe those mispellers and gramatical deviants who enter rogue titles ought to be put into a Hall of Shame for one week following a challenge?

Obviously, allowances can be made for those for whom English is not a native language but otherwise let's throw the book(!) at the ignorant b*****ds who are clearly a blot on the linguistic landscape... ; )
10/14/2003 09:40:35 PM · #21
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:

Obviously, allowances can be made for those for whom English is not a native language but otherwise let's throw the book(!) at the ignorant b*****ds who are clearly a blot on the linguistic landscape... ; )


You raise a very valid point... This site has many non-native English speakers and I think they should be applauded for adopting our preferred language. I see no rule that says entries must have an English title. Also remember that some nationalities spell words differently.

Therefore I apoligise (apologize) in advance for using the word colour (color) in my comments.

Having said that, I agree that a carefully worded title, including correct spelling and gammar, is greatly appreciated and does convey an appearance of "caring".

PS: Please don't search my post for misspellings - It's a forum post, typed quickly and therefore has a minimal amount of effort... This ain't no contract I'm writing. :-)
10/14/2003 11:25:55 PM · #22
Crap, who knew..lol

Well, bobster knew. And Kostia probably knew. But Word didn't.

What's that tell ya? That people are smarter than programs, or something like that, LOL.
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