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10/30/2006 10:03:08 AM · #201 |
oh, i really hope this thread goes in history so we can move on with our funloving hobby/bussines/whateva :-) and kick each others asses in WPL 3
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10/30/2006 10:03:24 AM · #202 |
>snip>Cheating has become a way of life in America. It is rampant in the schools of America.
While this may be true, it doesn't make it right and we don't want it here on DPC |
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10/30/2006 10:17:25 AM · #203 |
Originally posted by Ashuuter:
Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on me. Anyone who has faith in this corrupt system is a fool ! Cheating has become a way of life in America. It is rampant in the schools of America. |
I disagree. Most people in my country and the world are honest and try to do the right thing. Its just that honesty, decency, fair play and courtesy aren't newsworthy. The more that the guilty try to justify or excuse their actions the more they worry me.
(What happened to Kirbic's post? I thought it was great.)
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10/30/2006 10:21:46 AM · #204 |
Originally posted by Bolti:
You still are not listening to me and that makes me sad. :( |
Who wants to hear a bunch of lame excuses?
You cheated.
You got caught.
Now you have to accept the consequences.
That's a good thing. |
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10/30/2006 10:30:17 AM · #205 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Bolti:
You still are not listening to me and that makes me sad. :( |
Who wants to hear a bunch of lame excuses?
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I think that people should have the opportunity to explain themselves. Maybe something better served through PMs but as this is an open thing, people who aren't interested in hearing the explanations are having to, which is one disadvantage of doing this openly but I also think there are benefits* so...
... I'm rambling and need to go back to sleep. Sorry.
*edit: benefits to doing this openly
Message edited by author 2006-10-30 10:38:18. |
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10/30/2006 10:34:23 AM · #206 |
I know the people that got caught will be punished. Do I need to know the names of these people so I can think unkind things about them...why would I want to, and if I did then why am I here in the first place. I'm sure even after their punishment they will be on probation and will be looked at even closer to assure they don't fall back into those habits. Once again I don't care who they are...unless I am SC, which of course I am not. Let them live in their shame quietly...we don't want a mob burning down their village, yes I'm looking at you Art. Now let's get back to the fun.
Clint
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10/30/2006 10:43:35 AM · #207 |
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10/30/2006 10:47:26 AM · #208 |
Originally posted by mist:
I do love a good drama. |
Seconded! |
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10/30/2006 10:47:43 AM · #209 |
Originally posted by bfox2:
Originally posted by mist:
I do love a good drama. |
Seconded! |
Who brought popcorn?
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10/30/2006 10:48:06 AM · #210 |
Originally posted by mist:
I do love a good drama. |
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10/30/2006 11:36:57 AM · #211 |
I told you I wanted the kind with extra butter!!
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10/30/2006 01:35:06 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by Bolti:
Just one litle thing that I want to point out to the Administration of this website.
I was checking how this ban works and saw that I can not send pictures into competitions but I can vote.
Doesnt that show what kind of haste this was done in?
Atleast ban me from the activity you wanted to ban me from, not from the activity where I didn't do anything wrong. |
Your ban was impelented exactly as we intended it.
~Terry
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10/30/2006 01:35:15 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
You're asking us to believe that ALL of your teammates entries (including those that scored below 5) were so special that they deserved a 10 during the WPL, yet NOBODY else's were as good (even the ribbon winners). I'm listening. I just don't buy it. |
Well start to listen then, mostly of the ribbon winners are IMO sucky pictures, not always but very often. The Pictures I like most I see often in place around 30, sometimes in top 10 or top20, that is just what I feel, you can not change that or force me tho think otherwise. At least the words of you said look like that: "If people do not all think alike, then they must by something fishy about they mind"
- I don´t know about the rest of you folks in here, but I got independenced mind and I don´t like it when others are saying that is wrong what I think
Also I like to state that, I know about few pictures, if not many, that are reciving help or assisant from other DPC members, when I read this "new" rules that forbid help from others then we got alot of cheaters in here, at least as some of you think.
I think it is good to help out, you may learn few tricks from each other and get a new vision on how to capture some subjects, I will not go and find who did what or not to prove my mind about some winners recived help from other DPCers, you can read it yourself in Photographer's Comments of many ribbon winners and others. We all know it that I said is true, so maybe we are all cheaters in the simple-world.
I will not look at that people as cheaters because it is not, it is cool and ok to help out, if it is forbidden, please put in the rules so we can know it before we entry not after.
I also like to say that I think this punishment to be ok by me, my teammembers may not agree, but it´s okay by me, that is if I was breaking the rules.
It is also funny that one of our fellow got note about keep it cool because of his voting patern, when he has never voted. That tells me someone is not doing his homework right.
Well, this is my final note about this matter, if you will accuse me or the others one that got banned, after this post, then you are attacking a man that can not speak for himself, it like attackind a man that can´t defend himself And that is lame.. who will be a lamer :D
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10/30/2006 01:45:17 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by "russi":
The Pictures I like most I see often in place around 30, sometimes in top 10 or top20, that is just what I feel, you can not change that or force me tho think otherwise. |
I routinely give 10s to photos that score below 5, but I am not warned or punished. Nor does anyone tell me to think otherwise. That's probably because I don't know who took the pictures.
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10/30/2006 01:49:30 PM · #215 |
What makes me think that if there was more on the line than a tiny .gif of a ribbon, guns would be involved?
If one thing if for certian this thread has re-focused my attention on just trying to take the best picture I can and not worry about where it places. I can see how easy it would be to get caught up in chasing the .gif to the point that you go overboard.
Bottom line: You know you have created a spectacular web site when there are thousands of people on it each day plotting, and gripping about one thing or another. Good times...I love it, and I am serious about that. This is a great site. Lots of fun people, learning about photography, politics, and how pretty Joey L is.
Message edited by author 2006-10-30 13:50:32. |
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10/30/2006 01:55:30 PM · #216 |
The conspiracy theories seriously make me laugh.......out loud.
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10/30/2006 01:57:09 PM · #217 |
Originally posted by Russi:
The Pictures I like most I see often in place around 30, sometimes in top 10 or top20, that is just what I feel, you can not change that or force me tho think otherwise. |
Dude, you were handing out 9s and 10s to teammates who didn't crack the top 100, apparently for no other reason than they were your teammates. You didn't give any other DPCers a 10. You are effectively announcing to DPC that nobody outside your team is worthy of your 10.
Originally posted by Russi:
I know about few pictures, if not many, that are reciving help or assisant from other DPC members, when I read this "new" rules that forbid help from others then we got alot of cheaters in here |
You weren't suspended for helping with the photos. You were suspended for "helping" with the score (and, no, the ban on vote tampering is not a new rule). Just because you held a reflector for someone does not automatically make that photo worth a 10.
Originally posted by Russi:
It is also funny that one of our fellow got note about keep it cool because of his voting patern, when he has never voted. That tells me someone is not doing his homework right. |
He was warned because he was obviously revealing his entry to others who voted his photos artificially high. Rikki was suspended for a similar offense (albeit on a larger scale).
Message edited by author 2006-10-30 14:18:31. |
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10/30/2006 02:37:55 PM · #218 |
Originally posted by russi:
Well, this is my final note about this matter, if you will accuse me or the others one that got banned, after this post, then you are attacking a man that can not speak for himself, it like attackind a man that can´t defend himself And that is lame.. who will be a lamer :D |
You can speak for yourself, but you are running away.
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10/30/2006 02:44:33 PM · #219 |
Originally posted by GuGi:
May I make a suggestion.
SC and the persons involved should take this discussion in private. Exchange mails, pm's or whatever. |
No, this should be discussed in public. No backroom talk and rumours floating around. That's far worse.
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10/30/2006 02:56:29 PM · #220 |
I was discussing, with a friend, how society seems to have been heading towards this place where everyone in it has a sense of entitlement. Where the *default* thought mode is "something for nothing", or "Do what I want, when I want to do it.". This whole thing seems to be another symptom of what I was trying to get across. I should email my friend a link to this.
I have no doubt in my mind that the two people that ahave come forward here *honestly* think they were doing no wrong.. and that.. is extremely worrisome. Not just for them.. or this site.. or the occasional cheating here and there.. but for a wider aspect of things as a whole. It's obvious to me that there is no acceptance of responsibility here, and boy.. I see more and more of this all the time. People that *believe* that giving themselves something extra is perfectly fine, and when caught, turn it around like it is everyone else's problem. Tell us that *we* don't understand. That as long as we don't agree with their point of view it is *us* that doesn't listen.
Russi has stated that he refuses to speak on the matter any further, and that anyone saying anything while he refuses to respond is attacking someone defenseless.. Sorry, that doesn't fly. A defenseless man is not one that refuses to defend himself, it is one that has no means whatsoever to defend himself. No words on earth that you want to twist will turn your own cowardice into everyone else's.
Stand up to your wrongdoing(s). Face your responsibility. Admit your errors. Hiding behind transparent excuses and desperate justifications only serves to hurt yourself... although it is certainly helpful in giving me fodder for my theories on societal behaviors.
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10/30/2006 03:12:37 PM · #221 |
I agree, Artyste. Many times I have seen criminals interviewed on TV, and they almost never say "I was committing a crime and I got caught". It is always "The cops are out to get me"
I also see that attitude at the school I volunteer at. The students are upset that the teachers are out to get them, even though they were clearly breaking a class rule.
No personal responsibility for one's own actions, and any consequences are somebody else's fault.
Edit to take out signature line.
Message edited by author 2006-10-30 15:12:59. |
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10/30/2006 03:25:04 PM · #222 |
haha, thanx man, now I am being put on the same shelf as a criminal. I have 2 words for you that I think will fit you perfectly. The first one starts with a F and the later one starts with a Y. I won't tell if this is "Funny You" or something else, but I think you can figure it out since you allready figured out that I am a criminal.
Just to note. I still have not got any information about the voting patterns.
No message from the site council and pretty much no information. Am I just being ignored or are you so busy that it is not posible.
A single letter that you are busy and will deal with it later would actually be enough to calm me down. But your actions are nothing but rude in this whole case. |
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10/30/2006 03:26:57 PM · #223 |
I couldn't agree more with Artyste's comments. I think about these same issues very often. I am sick and tired of the epidemic of people who feel that they are entitled to this, entitled to that, for no good reason.
There's a radio program that airs on weekends in Pittsburgh where an attorney answers questions from people about whether or not they have a case against someone. It's unbelievable to hear the crap that people call in.
I mean, if I'm clumsy and fall on a sidewalk, I get up, wipe the leaves off my butt, and move on. Many people figure that if they fall on the sidewalk, they should sue the owner of the sidewalk, the people who built the sidewalk, the cement company that poured the sidewalk, the inventor of the sidewalk, anyone with the letters w-a-l-k in their name, etc.
It is pathetic that people nowadays look for any opportunity to be a victim, and how they can cash in on it. And don't get me started on those TV commercials with attorneys who proliferate this way of thinking. |
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10/30/2006 03:32:03 PM · #224 |
Originally posted by Bolti:
haha, thanx man, now I am being put on the same shelf as a criminal. I have 2 words for you that I think will fit you perfectly. The first one starts with a F and the later one starts with a Y. I won't tell if this is "Funny You" or something else, but I think you can figure it out since you allready figured out that I am a criminal.
Just to note. I still have not got any information about the voting patterns.
No message from the site council and pretty much no information. Am I just being ignored or are you so busy that it is not posible.
A single letter that you are busy and will deal with it later would actually be enough to calm me down. But your actions are nothing but rude in this whole case. |
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Actually, I was merely giving examples of why I agree with Artyste about a problem that is occuring more and more, at least in the USA. There is a tendency for people to justify their actions and blame society when they suffer any consequences. I was not calling you a criminal any more than I was calling you a student.
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10/30/2006 03:34:03 PM · #225 |
| Well I am neither so my comment stands in either way. |
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