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10/30/2006 04:56:23 PM · #251

Originally posted by larryslights:

Originally posted by Bolti:
The bottom 10% picture that I gave a 10, I promise that I had no idea Hordur had it. I just loved that view of the boat that I could see from my living room window.

What does the comment "Your kung fu is weak" mean in relation to that photo? Just curious.

Honestly don't remember. Think it had something to do with the name of the ship.

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10/30/2006 04:58:13 PM · #252

OMG this is starting to get a bit funny. I don't think I have laughed this hard in a while. The forums are on fire with controversy and comentary.

blemt

Nikon D70

10/30/2006 05:02:21 PM · #253

Originally posted by Bolti:

Originally posted by larryslights:

Originally posted by Bolti:
The bottom 10% picture that I gave a 10, I promise that I had no idea Hordur had it. I just loved that view of the boat that I could see from my living room window.

What does the comment "Your kung fu is weak" mean in relation to that photo? Just curious.

Honestly don't remember. Think it had something to do with the name of the ship.

..if you can read the ship name you are doing better than me man.

yanko

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10/30/2006 05:04:30 PM · #254

Originally posted by blemt:

Originally posted by Bolti:

Originally posted by larryslights:

Originally posted by Bolti:
The bottom 10% picture that I gave a 10, I promise that I had no idea Hordur had it. I just loved that view of the boat that I could see from my living room window.

What does the comment "Your kung fu is weak" mean in relation to that photo? Just curious.

Honestly don't remember. Think it had something to do with the name of the ship.

..if you can read the ship name you are doing better than me man.

Don't you see the blonde standing near the captain? The sign is right there.

Message edited by author 2006-10-30 17:04:57.

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10/30/2006 05:05:41 PM · #255

Originally posted by blemt:

I could see the ship from my livingroom window. It was sooo big and soo beutifull.

But I don't think this ban is about 1 ship actually.

I just hope Scalvert can get to giving Russi, brin and TUBORG their requested statistics.

I am satisfied with Scalvert sending me the numbers and I am proud to say I have nothing to hide, allthough I will be VERY carefull with 10's in the future.

blemt

Nikon D70

10/30/2006 05:09:27 PM · #256

I guess I'm a little confused. You are saying that you did nothing wrong, yet it looks like in Magic and Mystery the only 10s you voted were teammates, yet you handed out 11 1s, 5 2s, 30 3s...can you see where this comes across as a bit off?

mist

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10/30/2006 05:10:06 PM · #257

Originally posted by Bolti:

I am satisfied with Scalvert sending me the numbers and I am proud to say I have nothing to hide, allthough I will be VERY carefull with 10's in the future.

I think that you still don't quite get it. It's not about 10s, it's about giving the votes out knowing full well who took the photo.

Does it not strike you as the slightest bit wrong to be giving out a 10 because a photo is of a view that you get from your window?

xXxscarletxXx

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10/30/2006 05:14:22 PM · #258

Originally posted by mist:

Originally posted by Bolti:

I am satisfied with Scalvert sending me the numbers and I am proud to say I have nothing to hide, allthough I will be VERY carefull with 10's in the future.

I think that you still don't quite get it. It's not about 10s, it's about giving the votes out knowing full well who took the photo.

Does it not strike you as the slightest bit wrong to be giving out a 10 because a photo is of a view that you get from your window?

Couldnt of said it better myself

10/30/2006 05:14:27 PM · #259

Not if I think the view is absolutely stunning??

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10/30/2006 05:18:12 PM · #260

What about the other side of this. Were there lots of 1'', 2's and 3's given out to obvious top images in the challenges to bring the voting closer together?

Message edited by author 2006-10-30 17:18:49.

mist

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10/30/2006 05:18:50 PM · #261

Originally posted by Bolti:

Not if I think the view is absolutely stunning??

Then you should consider yourself lucky to have a house situated in such marvellous surroundings, and allow yourself to skip over voting on that photo, because there is no possible way that you could vote on it in an objective manner when you have such an emotional attachment.

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10/30/2006 05:20:18 PM · #262

Originally posted by mist:

Originally posted by Bolti:
Not if I think the view is absolutely stunning??

Then you should consider yourself lucky to have a house situated in such marvellous surroundings, and allow yourself to skip over voting on that photo, because there is no possible way that you could vote on it in an objective manner when you have such an emotional attachment.

I seriously didnt think I had to skip the photos I liked on DPC but I learned my lesson like I have stated allready.

I am really sorry I gave my friends very high ending photos 10's I will be more carefull with the tens. I promise!

Cutter

Nikon D700

10/30/2006 05:20:43 PM · #263

Originally posted by Bolti:

Not if I think the view is absolutely stunning??

I haven't seen someone do this much dancing since the 1970's (note: I am only 25)....Come on man. Kung fu has nothing to do with the boat. You gave that boat picture a 10. I mean that photo is crap (no offense to the photog). It is a 4 or 5 on a generous day....Oh and look - it looks like that is just about the average vote.

Thanks for giving us that example, Larry. That example is exactly the point.

doctornick

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10/30/2006 05:25:14 PM · #264

Originally posted by Artyste:

I was discussing, with a friend, how society seems to have been heading towards this place where everyone in it has a sense of entitlement. Where the *default* thought mode is "something for nothing", or "Do what I want, when I want to do it.". This whole thing seems to be another symptom of what I was trying to get across. I should email my friend a link to this.

I have no doubt in my mind that the two people that ahave come forward here *honestly* think they were doing no wrong.. and that.. is extremely worrisome. Not just for them.. or this site.. or the occasional cheating here and there.. but for a wider aspect of things as a whole. It's obvious to me that there is no acceptance of responsibility here, and boy.. I see more and more of this all the time. People that *believe* that giving themselves something extra is perfectly fine, and when caught, turn it around like it is everyone else's problem. Tell us that *we* don't understand. That as long as we don't agree with their point of view it is *us* that doesn't listen.

Russi has stated that he refuses to speak on the matter any further, and that anyone saying anything while he refuses to respond is attacking someone defenseless.. Sorry, that doesn't fly. A defenseless man is not one that refuses to defend himself, it is one that has no means whatsoever to defend himself. No words on earth that you want to twist will turn your own cowardice into everyone else's.

Stand up to your wrongdoing(s). Face your responsibility. Admit your errors. Hiding behind transparent excuses and desperate justifications only serves to hurt yourself... although it is certainly helpful in giving me fodder for my theories on societal behaviors.

10/30/2006 05:25:46 PM · #265

There is just no way I am explaining this whole thing is there...

*sigh* I still don't see my fault, but I will be carefull giving votes to styles I know. Or maybe I will just quit voting. I think that is actually the easiest thing to do. Then people won't get mad when I vote.

Jaded_Housewife

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10/30/2006 05:31:17 PM · #266

Originally posted by Bolti:

Dont quit voting. just maybe quit voting on those you know. and I dont mean that badly. I can see where your coming from with your argument. The reason it seems to you that no one is listening is just that those that see your point really dont have anything to argue about. so You dont see that there are many of us who know what you mean. I however VERY raraely vote on photos I know but when I do its usually a 8-10 because its a photo I think really deserves it and I'm confident I'd give it that score anyway. It's a very fine line. but don't let it stop you from enjoying this site.

KarenNfld

10/30/2006 05:34:35 PM · #267

Originally posted by Bolti:

That ship is either the "Star Princess" or the "Sea Princess". What does your comment (Kung Fu) have to do with that?

justamistere

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10/30/2006 06:05:05 PM · #268

Rules, vat rules? In muy countree ve hed a problem vit chads.
next veek ve vill TOTALLY trust computers.

All I really suggest is for the SC to take the suggestions to heart and then to "ink". Let me know when some rule changes will occur, even if it is a strongly "Suggested Conduct For Voting".

If nothing comes out of these discussions, then this might as well be just another Jerry Springer show.

blemt

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10/30/2006 06:09:09 PM · #269

Again, this actually is in the rules. It's been posted a couple times.

It's the job of the USER to make sure they read and understand. :)

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

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10/30/2006 06:14:42 PM · #270

It's in writing!!!!!!

From this page that everyone checks to have read before they enter.

Or this page for the basic challenges.

Go almost all the way down the page to the section titled "Challenge Voting." The fourth paragraph deals with this directly. It says

Originally posted by from challenge rules:

Users must vote on at least 20% of the entries in order to have their votes counted towards the averages. Until a user votes for 20% of the images in a challenge, his votes are ignored. Voting patterns are also automatically monitored. Users whose vote patterns suggest an intent to unfairly disrupt the system will have their votes ignored and may be suspended from site functions. DPChallenge also monitors and enforces a strict policy against fraudulent accounts and 'ghost' ballots. Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and a ban from the site. Photographs by any participating parties may also be removed from past or current challenges.

When Langdon and the SC see a pattern where you have four or five or six or 7 or 8 or howevermany photogs giving 10s to eachother, and to no one else, that is, in our opinion a violation of this line

Users whose vote patterns suggest an intent to unfairly disrupt the system will have their votes ignored and may be suspended from site functions.

and this line

Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and a ban from the site

I honestly don't know how much clearer we can make it. It is in the rules. We can't "take the suggestions to heart and then 'ink' " because the rule is already there!

neophyte

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10/30/2006 06:24:40 PM · #271

Originally posted by Bolti:

Looks like you won't have to worry much about this for the next month. ;P

soup

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10/30/2006 06:24:43 PM · #272

some thick skulls around here - thankfully that makes them much less likely to crack when involved in a head banging marathon... ;}

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10/30/2006 06:26:43 PM · #273

This might just be me not knowing anything about this, but are the 1's monitored as well. Seems to me that the voting scale is a double edged sword. Can somebody possible twart your excessive 10 approach by only giving strong images low scores to bring down the average.

I am sure this has been handled, I was just wondering how you were able to keep track of that.

Bear_Music

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10/30/2006 06:32:04 PM · #274

Originally posted by boomtap:

You're entering a very difficult subject there. Suppose I was a conscientous voter who *believes" that DPC voters, as a group, reward the plastic and penalize the truly creative. Suppose I made it my goal to as much as possible adjust the average by voting *up* those images I find to be truly creative (bearing in mind that my idea of "creativity" is highly personal and idiosyncratic) and voting *down" those images that follow the tried-and-true "DPC formula.

As long as I do this consistently, it's my right to do so. It all washes out in the averages anyway. It's very different from voting all your teammates 10's...

R,