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10/22/2006 03:47:30 PM · #251 |
To  srbrubaker - go ahead and put in 100 for your ISO/ASA and check the box for a critique. And no, definitely not only for ribbon winners. In fact, I would ask that ribbon winners uncheck that box if they'd checked it in the first place, but that's just my opinion. They, too, are entitled to request a critique - I'm just not sure why they'd ask for one.
Message edited by author 2006-10-22 15:48:18. |
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10/22/2006 04:56:32 PM · #252 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
To srbrubaker - go ahead and put in 100 for your ISO/ASA and check the box for a critique. And no, definitely not only for ribbon winners. |
At challenge rollover, all the photos with the Request Critique box checked are placed into a(n in visible to the CC) queue, and the reviewers are presented with photos to review in random, sequential order. They don't really get to pick which ones to review, but because they don't always finish them all before then next bact comes along, there's a chance you may request a critique often without getting one, then get two ina row. It's unpredictable.
You can help the situation by joining the CC (if you haven't already) and helping to clear up the backlog. |
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10/22/2006 10:37:13 PM · #253 |
Now, I have read the better part of this entire post and I must admit that I am impressed. Great food for thought and above all, you worthy participants have managed to elevate the topic of critique and tickled the yearnings or aspirations of all readers. It appears that the differences, while providing alternate viewpoints, are small enough and allow enough headroom for those who wish to contemplate them further.
Now, would it not be grand if the active members of this thread would on occasion devote a few minutes of their time and adorn some of the images with their astute observations. Yes, I know, many of you do so but the comment section in DPC is forever hungry and can never get enough. |
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10/22/2006 11:10:07 PM · #254 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Now, would it not be grand if the active members of this thread would on occasion devote a few minutes of their time and adorn some of the images with their astute observations. Yes, I know, many of you do so but the comment section in DPC is forever hungry and can never get enough. |
Easier said than done...
I find that I am more inspired to comment on photos that grab me on some level above technical ability. Picking some random photo from a challenge, as is done within the critique club, doesn't allow us (or me) to practice perfecting a critique technique. The challenge context itself doesn't really allow this to work in general. I assume that a huge majority of challenge photos are shot primarily for the challenge itself rather than as a piece of a larger body of work, or even as a single element of 'art'.
I think it would be more interesting to create some individual threads in the "Individual Photograph Discussion" forum to practice with this. I would suggest the following:
Create a thread with a special and common title, such as:
Experience This: Photo Title Here
Post your photo, with (or without) any information you want to share. The group of people who are interested will fall in line and discuss the image.
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10/23/2006 01:47:13 AM · #255 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Now, would it not be grand if the active members of this thread would on occasion devote a few minutes of their time and adorn some of the images with their astute observations. Yes, I know, many of you do so but the comment section in DPC is forever hungry and can never get enough. |
Easier said than done...
I find that I am more inspired to comment on photos that grab me on some level above technical ability. Picking some random photo from a challenge, as is done within the critique club, doesn't allow us (or me) to practice perfecting a critique technique. The challenge context itself doesn't really allow this to work in general. I assume that a huge majority of challenge photos are shot primarily for the challenge itself rather than as a piece of a larger body of work, or even as a single element of 'art'.
I think it would be more interesting to create some individual threads in the "Individual Photograph Discussion" forum to practice with this. I would suggest the following:
Create a thread with a special and common title, such as:
Experience This: Photo Title Here
Post your photo, with (or without) any information you want to share. The group of people who are interested will fall in line and discuss the image. |
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There is a little problem here. Instead of members posting an image there should be a small panel to prefilter the images. You already know the reason: some will just want to benefit from any suggestion while realizing that their image may not be worthy because of poor workmanship or bad composition. Someone will say, who is to determine the value of an image? If you are into photography for real you are able to judge a contender. Here is an example, my visible portfolio does not contain one image that is worthy this consideration. I will search my archives outside of DPC and I promise to capture some in the near future.
You see, I view images by the hundreds, since way back and I quickly sort them. Candid shots are nice, they capture the unrehearsed moment, but the majority are shot to available light and suffer a bit in tonal grace. Yes, the subject is paramount but anything worthy of being captured can be captured to good or bad advantage.
You then have studies. These are not true candids but the photographer introduces his grace to place the subject at total ease. There is light and placement control and of course, and good post processing to elucidate the play of light and shadows.
You then have the outdoor images which rest quite a bit on acute control of the composition and viewpoints and then a knowledge of post processing. These people are at the mercy of natural light and can not easily compensate with fill lights. So here, the time and composition are paramount.
Then you have the concept driven images. These vary in quality depending on the overall knowledge of the photographer. Some are simply bad while others are outstanding.
Then we reach the artistic renditions. Here, like in the concept genre, an inner vision is being realized. The difference is that the photographer is not trying to dazzle the senses but rather to use the basic play of light, shadow and form to impart an image that invokes the deeper emotions. Many people confuse artistic renditions with concept driven ones. It seems the lines get fuzzy, but bear in mind that a photographer has his medium and the highest artistic ambition is reached when it is bereft of digital manipulation and the use of digital filters that only degrade the integrity.
As you can see, not every image is worthy a serious critique. I am sure that there are many candis and studies but I think the bulk will come from the artistic renditions. Let us hope we are not confusing artistic with the art of being clever and novel. Artistic is simply true to the medium of eliciting something deeper from the subject by the sheer good employment of light, shadow, form and proper post processing to fine tune the tonal relationship.
P.S. Only one minor disagreement: I strongly believe that challenges can and have yielded some outstanding artistic entries. Yes, many of these have not taken the ribbons, but that is beside the point.
Message edited by author 2006-10-25 22:22:37. |
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10/26/2006 09:55:58 PM · #256 |
Everyone who has enjoyed this thread owes it to him/herself to listen to this:
Camera Position #36
This podcast, called "Who's Lookin' At you?" really nails some of the issues we have been talking about here. It has inspired me to try to come up with my own 'critique circle'. I'm gonna have to pursue that...
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