why did this pic get many low votes?

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

10/04/2006 04:07:12 PM · #26

I just don't understand one thing... how could someone see this image as sexy? it's purely unti-sexy for me! the face expression is almost intimidating:) it just can't be sexy.

I promise to work on my borders, effects and especially lighting.

you have helped me so much! thank you!

love

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

10/04/2006 04:08:02 PM · #27

DPC voters have notoriously voted grainy images down.. I have one in my top three images that has done well but I almost think it was a fluke... your image has a lot of stuff going on.. almost too much.. the 1 votes are the trolls.. I'm sure you've heard of them ; )) if not ask..
Roseann

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Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

10/04/2006 04:10:06 PM · #28

Originally posted by chispa:

no Roseann, I haven't. who are those trolls? :)

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/04/2006 05:28:50 PM · #29

Let's look at the image without considering the noise and it's negative connotations with DPC voters. Two things strike me immediately; the purple is not "really" purple (bound to attract the ire of voters of a certain mindset) and the bright areas don't separate properly.

Nobody else seems to have commented on that last: what bothers me here is the way the brow and the cheek fade into the BG, and the way the upraised arm left side does the same. Also the bright area of the fan is completely blown out. If there were better control over the high-end tonalities, I think this would have done a full point better, and it would have moved way up the scale, color rendition and graininess notwithstanding. It's a striking image. Eliminate the extremely aggressive border and perhaps gain another half point...

R.

10/04/2006 05:38:54 PM · #30

Same question for this one.

I take responsibility for the low score. I've always believed that communication is the responsibility of the one trying to communicate.

I have 2 questions:

1. The dress base color is lavander. Isn't tlavander in the purple "family"?

2. Did you notice that she is looking at her reflection in a mirror?

For a treat read the comment from posthumous, it's a classic!

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10/04/2006 05:46:39 PM · #31

Originally posted by scarbrd:

For a treat read the comment from posthumous, it's a classic!

what a comment! fantastic.

yes, for me it looked like a pale variant of purple. But I didn't think about the color when I was voting. I know everyone sees things different and the monitors are not perfect so I only think about the idea behind every image.

fantastic comment! it's not at all the way I was thinking while looking at this picture and it's cool.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

10/04/2006 05:57:26 PM · #32

Originally posted by silverfoxx:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

For a treat read the comment from posthumous, it's a classic!

what a comment! fantastic.

yes, for me it looked like a pale variant of purple. But I didn't think about the color when I was voting. I know everyone sees things different and the monitors are not perfect so I only think about the idea behind every image.

fantastic comment! it's not at all the way I was thinking while looking at this picture and it's cool.

My wife really liked it! And she read it on her 41st birthday!

Ashuuter

Canon PowerShot A620

10/04/2006 05:58:51 PM · #33

Here's a hint. Don't compromise your creativity for this place. It simply isn't worth it. Photography should be an individual style, not one where you MUST CONFORM or your get trashed. I learned. Be an individual and enjoy your creativity-Photography is not a team sport. Happy shooting !

Rebecca

Nikon D80

10/04/2006 06:00:48 PM · #34

Originally posted by silverfoxx:

I had no issues with the purpleness of the purple... I did think, though, that there were a lot of entries that were quite blue, though, and it surprised me to see some of them score so highly because of that.

xianart

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

10/04/2006 06:05:28 PM · #35

i really liked what you did with your piece, althoughi do agree that the border was a bit big. i've had a little fiddle with it, what do you think? this might have scored higher. tehn again, knowing my record, it might not have... ;-)

10/04/2006 07:05:56 PM · #36

Originally posted by silverfoxx:

...I'd like to ask you why this pic got many low votes in the Purple challenge?

The image is well conceived and the composition and framing are quite good. What you did with desat worked well to.

Your image has a classic bell curve voting distribution. That implies there isn't any specific quality of the picture that would completely turn off a particular subgroup of voters. So the real issue is why is the average at a middle of the road 5.2 and not higher.

Remember, what I say is only my opinion.

That being said here are some possible reasons...

Perhaps the biggest reason is the wide border with the top and bottom being excessively wide. The picture and composition are excellent but the border acts as a major counteracting distraction. After all, it is the picture that matters and the border is drawing a lot of attention away from it. Result... counterbalancing features resulting in middle of the road scoring.

Another small distraction is the slightly overexposed umbrella, arm holding it and face. The overexposed areas look a little too much like the background. I realize that is the intended style but just because something is done intentioanlly does not always mean it works for all viewers. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Yours is probably split among voters which contributes to that nice bell curve vote distribution curve. Result... middle of the road bell curve.

The image has intentional grain. There is nothing wrong with that, but that style typically does not garner high scores at this site. Grain works best at DPC if the viewer can plainly see the need for it in the composition. I suspect many don't in this case. To them it looks like the grain was added just to be added but does not support the composition in a meaningful way that they can strongly identify with. The result... middle of the road scoring.

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Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO Macro Super II for Canon

10/04/2006 07:17:33 PM · #37

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Same question for this one.

This is a fantastic image. It is technically excellent. Composition and perspective are particularly good. Your model, her pose and her expression gives the viewer plenty to think about when viewing it. Those are all hallmarks of great photography.

Clearly, the score in this one is the direct result that viewers did not think it was colored purple enough and that there was not enough of the overall image colored purple. In other words... you were to subtle.

You will notice that many of the top finishing images were, shall we say, artificially sweetened with purple and lavender. If you had done the same with this one you would have been at or near the top of the list to.

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NovaTiger

Canon EOS-20D

10/04/2006 07:21:08 PM · #38

Originally posted by hokie:

The DPC magazine likes a certain style..deviate and feel the reprecussions.

True 'dat....SO so true 'dat.

Ivo

10/04/2006 07:47:06 PM · #39

Originally posted by silverfoxx:

hello!

I'd like to ask you why this pic got many low votes in the Purple challenge?

I would really appreciate your answer.
thank you.
Svetlana - Silverfoxx

Hi Svetlana. Three reasons.......for this site:

1) This site is full of "frame nazis" Many will not judge the photo when there is such a frame.
2) Grain/Noise is a bad thing here as well. Funny how Grain is embraced with film but with digital, it is BAD! Go figure.
3) The colors may not be as accurate on our monitors as was on yours.

Hope that helps.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

10/04/2006 07:55:49 PM · #40

Originally posted by stdavidson:

You will notice that many of the top finishing images were, shall we say, artificially sweetened with purple and lavender...

What are you saying? The sunset was PURPLE that day, I tells ya!

Scarbrd, I thought I recognized her. At first I thought it was jutilda, but now I know it's our kindergarten teacher from the environmental portrait. I thought it was very well done and appreciated the subtlety (even though I chose to beat people over the head with my purple...). I did not vote on it though (I didn't get to100%).

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bood

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

10/04/2006 08:14:11 PM · #41

It's a great image
and this is DPchallenge
The masses like a certain thing here
This website is superficial fun but
not the arena to express your
photographic ideas to a discerning audience.
Dont compromise yourself just try to
develop your own way of doing things.
Come on voting for art is just plain silly anyway!

10/04/2006 08:42:03 PM · #42

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by scarbrd:
Same question for this one.

This is a fantastic image. It is technically excellent. Composition and perspective are particularly good. Your model, her pose and her expression gives the viewer plenty to think about when viewing it. Those are all hallmarks of great photography.

Clearly, the score in this one is the direct result that viewers did not think it was colored purple enough and that there was not enough of the overall image colored purple. In other words... you were to subtle.

You will notice that many of the top finishing images were, shall we say, artificially sweetened with purple and lavender. If you had done the same with this one you would have been at or near the top of the list to.

Thanks Steve - When we refer to this dress we call it the "purple dress", but you are right, people did not see it as purple.

I apprecaite your comments, thanks for taking the time.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

10/04/2006 08:46:22 PM · #43

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by stdavidson:
You will notice that many of the top finishing images were, shall we say, artificially sweetened with purple and lavender...

What are you saying? The sunset was PURPLE that day, I tells ya!

Scarbrd, I thought I recognized her. At first I thought it was jutilda, but now I know it's our kindergarten teacher from the environmental portrait. I thought it was very well done and appreciated the subtlety (even though I chose to beat people over the head with my purple...). I did not vote on it though (I didn't get to100%).

Thanks Doc. You know I value your opinion. However, I think I speak for everyone when I say we're getting a little tired of seeing you on the main page lately ;-)

You are on a serious roll lately and it's NOT the 5D. I only hope you don't get bored with the ease of nailing the challeges.

Nullix

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/04/2006 09:24:42 PM · #44

Originally posted by Ashuuter:

Interesting. I say compromise. This is a competition, so you have to play to the judges. If you wanted to be so individual, why compete against others? Show you work off in a studio.

I gave both shots a 5. Nice shots, but nothing moving to me. Of course, I score on a bell curve.

Phillydigishooter

Canon PowerShot G3

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

10/04/2006 09:46:02 PM · #45

I gave you a 6. In my opinion you would have scored higher with a larger photo. The grain adds character.

I also agree with Dan's comment on DPC's members.

ElGordo

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS for Canon

10/04/2006 10:04:15 PM · #46

And, of course, in any group as diverse as DPC there will always be a few that are simply ignorant oafs that have no taste whatsoever and vote their I.Q. Just kidding, it is the diversity that makes DPC so interesting!

mist

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/05/2006 02:22:28 AM · #47

Originally posted by ElGordo:

I guess that you are just kidding but, you know, I think some people do actually think like this, and believe, for some reason, that everyone should like their shot.

It's not going to happen. Even if 200 people had given this photo a 10, someone with a aversion to fans because in a past life everyone else had a beautiful fan and they had no fan, got too hot and sweaty and missed out on meeting a great guy, will give the photo a 1. That's just how it all works.

10/05/2006 02:49:50 AM · #48

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Jason... You da man! With your accomplishments you could say the world is flat and I wouldn't disagree. LOL!

10/05/2006 02:55:20 AM · #49

Originally posted by ElGordo:

...there will always be a few that are simply ignorant oafs that have no taste whatsoever and vote their I.Q.

Yeah, I used to be like that but now I'm enlightened, I vote 1/2 my IQ!