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10/03/2006 05:33:19 PM · #1 |
Sex sells. Advertisers and marketing specialists know this. BUT--having a sexy woman in an ad is mostly used on products aimed at men, such as beer, sports cars, after shave. The times I recall it used for women's products, it is showing how use of the product makes her attractive to men.
While a few of the nude shots appear artistic to me, most seem to be using sex to "buy" votes. How many women vote high for these shots? I think a breakdown of men's and women's votes on nudes would be interesting.
Does seeing a bare breast make you more inclined to vote a 9 or 10? or a 1 or 2? (Men feel free to answer this also!) |
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10/03/2006 05:36:03 PM · #2 |
| bare breasts = automatic 10 ;-) |
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10/03/2006 05:58:03 PM · #3 |
I can appreciate a nude....and vote it accordingly. There are some people that appear to ... use the 'tits n' ass' approach to either sway votes (although I'm not of the paranoia vote swaying group) or get attention. I usually just pass it over and don't vote because there are 'occasional' times when people are trying nudes and are learning their way and can come across as the 'tits n' ass' approach. Unfortunately that is a minority...there appear to be a few that go for the 'shock' value...again, I usually just pass them over and don't vote on their photos...frankly because I find this behaviour to be attention seeking rather than artistic and so I choose to not indulge them with my time or vote. When I do vote...I'm one of those people that starts at a 5 and then goes up or down according to my taste.
So...does sex sell? On TV, Hollywood, etc...yes.
In learning environments? Not necessarily...unless that's the challenge!!! :)
Just my opinion of course :)
~Colette~
Message edited by author 2006-10-03 18:01:03. |
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10/03/2006 06:01:18 PM · #4 |
a breast does not get a automatic high vote
neither does a nude nor a pretty girl
(nor a male nude for that matter)
but i may pause a tad longer for a well photographed nude ;)
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10/03/2006 06:09:56 PM · #5 |
I rarely vote under 4, any image would have to be fairly bad before I'll go that low. Most of the nudes I've seen here though, have been very tastefully set up, and these are the ones I'll study carefully in the hope that one day I'll be able to replicate, for example, the lighting technique used. BUT (and here it comes...) if it's purely nudity for the sake of it and doesn't reflect the spirit of a challenge, then I get a little annoyed and no matter how great the set up, I'll most likely give it 4. So I guess what I mean is, seeing bare breasts alone doesn't sway my vote one way or the other, but in all fairness, it has to relate to the challenge.
Before anyone jumps all over me, I'd like to say that I do believe that sex is a great selling point for a lot of products. If I was in advertising, I would definitely try to use it, but it would have to make sense too. You can't believably sell a stapler using a nude model. Or can you...? :P
Message edited by author 2006-10-03 18:10:37.
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10/03/2006 06:17:40 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by rinac:
You can't believably sell a stapler using a nude model. |
Hmm, can you link this ad? I could use another stapler. |
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10/03/2006 06:19:13 PM · #7 |
The current challenge and this topic reminds me of a Frank Zappa tune ...
Message edited by author 2006-10-03 18:23:39. |
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10/03/2006 06:23:16 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
While a few of the nude shots appear artistic to me, most seem to be using sex to "buy" votes. |
I can't remember seeing a shot like you describe. The only nudes on here that drip sex are DrJones' and they are ass kicking photos to boot. Very few other nudes, even the ones with very cool lighting, appear 'sexy' to me. I suppose that has a lot to do with personal taste as far as the model in the shot.
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10/03/2006 06:32:07 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by rinac:
You can't believably sell a stapler using a nude model. |
Hmm, can you link this ad? I could use another stapler. |
Tried googling all sorts of phrases, came up with nada. Sorry ;)
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10/03/2006 06:40:58 PM · #10 |
ahaha you the one who basheed my purple entry.... m m m m m mm try to apreciate the nude concept a little more
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10/03/2006 06:49:49 PM · #11 |
Though the human form is a special case, a bad picture is a bad picture and a good picture is a good picture. The special quality of a human nude does not absolve it from being pooly captured by a poor photographer. Sorry. Nudes are the most challenging images to capture well. Lighting is everything, that is what makes a 'good' nude 'good'.
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10/03/2006 07:14:59 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Though the human form is a special case, a bad picture is a bad picture and a good picture is a good picture. The special quality of a human nude does not absolve it from being pooly captured by a poor photographer. Sorry. Nudes are the most challenging images to capture well. Lighting is everything, that is what makes a 'good' nude 'good'. |
Yup, everyone enjoys seeing them but they had better be great lighting, super poses and attractive. Sorry, most nudes actually get a lower score if it looks like it was an attempt of flesh buying a score. Now, if everything is done correctly and it is a great photo it'll score higher. I think a well done non-nude photo will actually do better unless it is a nude challenge. |
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10/03/2006 07:49:24 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by renefunk:
ahaha you the one who basheed my purple entry.... m m m m m mm try to apreciate the nude concept a little more |
Me? Nonsense.
Message edited by author 2006-10-03 19:51:25. |
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10/03/2006 08:01:13 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by renefunk:
ahaha you the one who basheed my purple entry.... m m m m m mm try to apreciate the nude concept a little more |
Me? Nonsense. |
no not you, the fist person that post
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10/03/2006 08:33:25 PM · #15 |
| I tend to rate images no different if they are nude or not. Sure some may use sex to sell the appeal of their image but almost everyone does that to some extent using other things. For example, using a great pair of eyes in a challenge about Peas for example. People are smart and will use whatever they think will help deliver their message to the masses. Nudity is just one but there are many others. |
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10/03/2006 08:56:20 PM · #16 |
simple answer
my highest score = nude, 6.9 moderately good technically
my next highest photo, much better technically IMO = 6.44
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10/03/2006 09:03:34 PM · #17 |
Nudes do NOT score well on DPC. The "sex sells" axiom, at least recently, backfires like a mofo on here.
To score well with a nude one must make it VERY modest and it must be nearly technically perfect.
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10/03/2006 09:13:18 PM · #18 |
echoing fotomann...
I think the stats would show nude shots get a disproportionate amount of 1s and 2s.
Mainly because many voter's are uncomfortable with nudity and/or anything of a sexual nature. They take it upon themselves to "punish" those that dare explore this most natural and fundamental aspects of human nature.
That being said, I'm sure the smattering of 9s and 10s would surely be skewed in the males direction (with Judi being the exception!)
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10/03/2006 09:23:21 PM · #19 |
To state my case, let's use this image. Technically, it's not perfect, but it's not horrible either.
Clearly in the Industrial challenge, it should not have many DNMC votes, because it is obviously Industrial in nature.
Now look at the number of low votes. Yes, that's a lot and most go unexplained in the comments.
I have other photos that scored much higher that I spent much less time on.
Message edited by author 2006-10-03 21:24:27.
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10/03/2006 10:03:08 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
To state my case, let's use this image. Technically, it's not perfect, but it's not horrible either.
Clearly in the Industrial challenge, it should not have many DNMC votes, because it is obviously Industrial in nature.
Now look at the number of low votes. Yes, that's a lot and most go unexplained in the comments.
I have other photos that scored much higher that I spent much less time on. |
Ha. I just re-read my post in the discussion thread (last page). Looking back I think this should have scored higher although I still think the warm colors and soft aspect contradicts what I expect from an industrial shot. However, that's what creativity is all about. Btw, I didn't say it then but I'll say it now, that's one killer angle and composition! |
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10/03/2006 10:06:55 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
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I'm one of the perverts that gave it a 10 :) |
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10/03/2006 10:11:33 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by rswank:
echoing fotomann...
I think the stats would show nude shots get a disproportionate amount of 1s and 2s.
Mainly because many voter's are uncomfortable with nudity and/or anything of a sexual nature. They take it upon themselves to "punish" those that dare explore this most natural and fundamental aspects of human nature.
That being said, I'm sure the smattering of 9s and 10s would surely be skewed in the males direction (with Judi being the exception!) |
My nudes get hit very hard with 1's and 2's. Take this image for example.
Technically I cannot see what I need to change. There wasn't one main area of improvement suggested amongst the voters. And yet, my score breakdown tells a different story. What started out at a 4 score (and sat on 4 for at least 24 hours) it finally rose to 6.2551 finishing 21/240.
I did have an image here...but due to being reminded of FORUM RULES...I have removed it to keep everyone happy.
Ethereal
Challenge - Soft Focus
Breakdown
1 - 7
2 - 6
3 - 12
4 - 19
5 - 30
6 - 48
7 - 61
8 - 30
9 - 16
10- 14
Message edited by author 2006-10-03 22:29:06.
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10/03/2006 10:15:03 PM · #23 |
this thread's topic states "no nudes" but there are some nude pics in it.
someone has gotta change the topic or something. |
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10/03/2006 10:16:09 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by crayon:
this thread's topic states "no nudes" but there are some nude pics in it.
someone has gotta change the topic or something. |
Mine will only show if you have nudes allowed in your preferences. We are discussing nudes...there fore you should expect that images will be used in examples.
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10/03/2006 10:19:47 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by crayon:
this thread's topic states "no nudes" but there are some nude pics in it.
someone has gotta change the topic or something. |
Mine will only show if you have nudes allowed in your preferences. We are discussing nudes...there fore you should expect that images will be used in examples. |
Ditto, my post won't even show up :-)
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