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09/29/2003 06:05:24 PM · #1
1. How do you handle the conversion of your CRW (RAW) files from the EOS 10D. Do you use the Canon software that came with the camera?

I was reading someplace else about a software package that handled the CRW's but I do not remember which one it was right now.

The Canon software can be confusing on the conversion to jpeg.


2. How do you like the software that came with the EOS 10D?

Personally I think it is bad. The thumbail view is awful and it leaves large files all through your dirs for the thumb info.

For exploring the directories I use explorer, photoshop or my Olympus camedia software. They have better thumbnails and are faster and do not leave tracks all over your hard drive.


3. Also did you fill out the survey they sent out to get the free compact flash card? Not very big but what the heck best offer I ever had for filling out a survey?



Just curious;

Calvus

09/29/2003 06:12:00 PM · #2
i filled out the survey too. i figured it was worth 5 min to get the card.

also, i agree the software is bad. i don't use it at all.
09/29/2003 06:16:54 PM · #3
Ummm... what survey?
09/29/2003 06:18:00 PM · #4
I used the CaptureOne (C1) software trial and it seems to be the way to go. The Canon stuff does suck, I agree. Big pause after each parameter adjustment. It is so bad that it put me off using RAW. The latest verson of PhotoShop apparently handles RAW, though not sure how well.

I didn't even notice the suirvey card...hmm...how big was the CF card? I've got a 512 so it might now be worth it, but more is always better I guess.



Originally posted by nborton:

i filled out the survey too. i figured it was worth 5 min to get the card.

also, i agree the software is bad. i don't use it at all.
09/29/2003 06:19:45 PM · #5
they sent a survey through email the other day. i'm not sure why you didn't get it, but it could be that you didn't give them your email in the registration form. that's my guess.
09/29/2003 06:26:57 PM · #6
Yes the survey came in an email. I think they got the info from when I registered my new camera on-line. The survey has to be completed by September 30 in order to get the free card.

The free card is only 96mb but what the heck it is free?

Sent by:

Consumer Imaging Group
Camera Division
Canon USA

The survey is being handled by some customer satisfaction group.


Calvus

Message edited by author 2003-09-29 18:27:43.
09/29/2003 06:31:04 PM · #7
I don't have a 10D but I do shoot predominantly RAW with my D60.

Various convertion options are available

The Canon software, universally considered to be terrible.

Several third party converters, based on the Canon libraries:
YarcPlus
Breezebrowser

2 third party converters, that do not use the canon libraries:
PhaseOne Capture One LE
Adobe RAW converter for Photoshop.


I used to use BreezeBrowser. I now use CaptureOne because I much
prefer the workflow (mainly the fact that you can convert images in the background, while editing/ working with new ones, the fact that
I have more control over the levels/ curves/ exposure and white balance
in Capture One and also the fact that it doesn't use the Canon conversion libraries at all.

I haven't used the Adobe converter, but the intention is that it will be built in to Photoshop 8.
09/29/2003 06:45:45 PM · #8
Gordon, where do you get capture one, how much is it?..thinking of going over to the Raw Side
also input on the adobe plug in from others would be helpful..i have ver 7 of photoshop thanks
09/29/2003 06:53:40 PM · #9
My Photoshop 7 can open and save in Raw format. I've been using Photoshop a lot longer than I've been using digital cameras, and Raw has always been there as long as I can remember.
09/29/2003 07:09:08 PM · #10
Kostia, I'm not sure what raw format you are talking about (there is a simple "raw RGB" format, but that is not what digital cameras use), but you definitely needed to buy the Adobe Camera Raw & JPEG 2000 plug-in in order to get digital camera RAW support in Photoshop. And it never officially supported the 10D, although there were "hacks" to convert the D60 support to allow 10D files to be opened by that plug-in.

The latest release of Photoshop (Photoshop CS) includes that plug-in, but for Photoshop 7 and before, you needed the special plug-in from Adobe.

Capture One DSLR is definitely the best RAW workflow software out there. At $99 for the "LE" version, it is a bargain! (The only difference from the $599 full version is that "LE" version does not support "pro" cameras like the Canon 1D or 1Ds, and it has a 10-image processing queue instead of unlimited, which is not a big deal since you can add an image to the "Develop" queue and immediately go on tweaking your next image while it processes in the background. By the time you are done tweaking that image, your other photo is usually done or almost done processing...)

Message edited by author 2003-09-29 19:12:27.
09/29/2003 07:37:47 PM · #11
Standard raw files like Photoshop 7 handles use the file extension
*.RAW. Canon RAW files use the proprietary extension of *.CRW that is the way I understand it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Calvus

Originally posted by kostia:

My Photoshop 7 can open and save in Raw format. I've been using Photoshop a lot longer than I've been using digital cameras, and Raw has always been there as long as I can remember.

09/29/2003 09:55:46 PM · #12
Some CRW-related links:
- Lashier's in-depth review(s)
- feature comparisons
- using ACR with the 10D
09/30/2003 12:10:15 AM · #13
1. How do you handle the conversion of your CRW (RAW) files from the EOS 10D. Do you use the Canon software that came with the camera?
2. How do you like the software that came with the EOS 10D?


I use the Canon software, File Viewer Utility, to convert all my CRW files. It's decent but most of all it's free. It does the job that I need it to which is to convert my files.

I don't understand what you mean by it leaving files around for thumb info. I haven't seen that. The files are probably the thumbnails that the 10D saves along with the original image. Whenever a picture is taken in CRW mode a jpeg is saved along with it (with extension .THM). I think by default, the jpeg's are saved as Large/Fine. There's a setting under C.fn-08 to change the resolution of the thumbnail to something smaller, I set it to Small/Normal which gives me thumbs of about 12K. I like this feature because when using the File Viewer Utility, it will speedily view the directory in thumbnail view, as opposed to CRW's with out the thumb.

An word of advice, if your shooting pictures in CRW mode, I recommend that you convert your images to TIF. Since there's no compression with TIF's, the image is of better quality. Then you can do all your editing in PhotoShop and save to your preferred format. (I recommend these settings for RAW conversion; check False Color Filter and select 8 bits per channel.)

3. Also did you fill out the survey they sent out to get the free compact flash card? Not very big but what the heck best offer I ever had for filling out a survey?

Yeah, I filled it out because of the free offer. But I later realized that the card is pretty dinky, especially if you shoot in CRW mode.

I hope this info helps.
09/30/2003 12:41:01 AM · #14
It leaves a file "Zbthumbnail.info" in each dir you visit. The file size ranges from small to quite large depending on how many files you have and etc.


Calvus

Originally posted by mjalvarino:

[i]1. I don't understand what you mean by it leaving files around for thumb info. I haven't seen that.

09/30/2003 12:53:41 AM · #15
hmm... interesting. i did a quicl check on my computer and i don't have anything like that.
09/30/2003 03:41:39 AM · #16
Hmmm, I never got anything about a free card, probably being in Australia knocks you out of the running, even though I purchased in the US.

As for software .....

I usually shoot in RAW (basically unless I am just playing snaps) and grabbed a trial of Capture One. I was very impressed with it indeed, it made conversions, adjustments etc a sinch.

When the trial expired I decided not to spend the $99, which is currently at $89 I believe despite the site saying that price has expired. So I went to the Canon supplied software.

Nothing actually wrong with the Canon stuff, but it was very second rate indeed I found compared with Capture one.... enough so that after a week of the Canon stuff I have just gone back and purchased the Capture one software.

I'd suggest downloading Capture One and giving it a try, see what you think, it may or may not be worth it for you.

I admit, that if there was a full conversion in Photoshop, without the stuffing around as it can currently do it with an add on for the 1D I believe, I may well have stuck with the Photoshop option just to avoid yet another piece of software cluttering up my machine.
09/30/2003 10:22:15 AM · #17
Hi, guy,

I am using PhaseOne Capture One LE converter. In terms of workflow I quite like it. I do not particularly like the generic Canon 10D profile that comes with it - it assumes that you are using gamma 1.8, slightly conpensates for overexposure and has a slight bluish cast. Sometimes when the photos are exposed perfectly from the very start I just export embedded jpegs via Canon software. They look great. If I go through Capture One, I still have to manually tweak the exposure settings to get the same result. Not a big deal, because of batching capabilities.

Does anyone have simliar experience or is it just me?
09/30/2003 10:40:52 AM · #18
Originally posted by natator:



I admit, that if there was a full conversion in Photoshop, without the stuffing around as it can currently do it with an add on for the 1D I believe, I may well have stuck with the Photoshop option just to avoid yet another piece of software cluttering up my machine.


There is now - Adobe just announced Photoshop CS, with built in RAW support and more 16 bit editing options...
09/30/2003 11:24:00 AM · #19
Is there any software available that will rename raw files based on the exposure date/time contained in the exif data?
09/30/2003 11:27:50 AM · #20
Originally posted by bod:

Is there any software available that will rename raw files based on the exposure date/time contained in the exif data?


Breezebrowser will do that.
09/30/2003 11:30:15 AM · #21
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by bod:

Is there any software available that will rename raw files based on the exposure date/time contained in the exif data?


Breezebrowser will do that.

Sweet. Thank you.
09/30/2003 12:50:50 PM · #22
Corrupted EXIF data:

I just found this while looking for info on the Canon software!

I think it explains the "?" I'm getting on some of my photos while using their browsers.


1. Image Display Error Notice (Corrupted EXIF data)

When you perform any of the following operations on picture data shot with a Canon digital camera using Windows Explorer on a PC in which Windows XP Home Edition/ Windows XP Professional Edition (hereinafter
called "Windows XP") is installed, the Exif attribute information that is attached to the image data is altered. As a result, errors related to the display of thumbnail images and some software functions may occur both on Canon digital cameras and accompanying software utilities (ZoomBrowser EX, PhotoStitch, etc.).

Operations:

Select "Picture File" -> Click "Rotate Counter Clockwise" or "Rotate Clockwise" Button (using buttons located on the bottom of the Preview Screen)

Select "Picture File" -> Select "Rotate Counter Clockwise" or "Rotate Clockwise" command (using the menu that appears by right clicking the mouse)

Select "Simple" display on "Summary" tab of picture file "Property" -> Click "Apply" or "OK"

Note:

After performing any of the above operations, the Exif attribute information is altered and cannot be restored. If you intend to perform any of the operations listed above, we recommend that you do so using a back-up copy of the original picture file, and not the original data.


Note:

Even if the Exif attribute information is altered, the image data remains intact and the file can still be opened and used in most image editing applications such as AdobeTM Photoshop.


2. CF Card Formatting Error Notice

When a CF card with capacity greater than 32MB is formatted in Windows®XP, by default, it will choose to format that card with a higher capacity file system. This file system is not supported in the camera models listed below.

EOS D30, PowerShot Pro90 IS, PowerShot Pro70, PowerShot G2, PowerShot G1, PowerShot S20, PowerShot S10, PowerShot S330, PowerShot S300, PowerShot S200, PowerShot S110, PowerShot S100, PowerShot A50, PowerShot A40, PowerShot A20, PowerShot A10, PowerShot A200, PowerShot A100, PowerShot A5, PowerShot A5 Zoom, PowerShot 350 and PowerShot 600/600N.

Before formatting a CF card with capacity greater than 32MB in Windows®XP, change the "File System" menu selection to "FAT" in the Windows XP formatting window.

If you use a CF card that has been formatted with the higher capacity file system on a Canon digital camera that does not support that system, one of the following messages will appear on the LCD of the camera and you cannot shoot a picture: "No image", "CF card error!" or "CF card full". (Messages are different according to the camera model.)

If you format a CF Card using anything other than the "FAT" file system, you can re-format it again in your Canon digital camera. If in-camera formatting fails, remove and re-insert the CF Card into the camera, and then format it again.


I got this from the following site:

//www.powershot.com/powershot2/customer/windowsxp.html

It does cover all canon digital cameras from what it says.
I do not know why they named the site powerhot?


Calvus

Message edited by author 2003-09-30 16:37:29.
09/30/2003 01:25:00 PM · #23
Originally posted by mjalvarino:

An word of advice, if your shooting pictures in CRW mode, I recommend that you convert your images to TIF. Since there's no compression with TIF's, the image is of better quality. Then you can do all your editing in PhotoShop and save to your preferred format. (I recommend these settings for RAW conversion; check False Color Filter and select 8 bits per channel.)


As long as you have to work on RAW files it is best to keep them RAW or PSD. Converting to TIFF means converting to 8-bit. For important stuff it is better to work with 16-bit.
//www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/bit-depth.shtml

Capture One LE review:
//www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/c1-le.shtml

09/30/2003 01:30:47 PM · #24
When I convert from RAW to TIFF I use 16bit TIFF, do my work in photoshop and then convert to 8 bit and save as jpg.

Calvus


Originally posted by Azrifel:

As long as you have to work on RAW files it is best to keep them RAW or PSD. Converting to TIFF means converting to 8-bit. For important stuff it is better to work with 16-bit.

09/30/2003 02:06:09 PM · #25
Originally posted by Calvus:

When I convert from RAW to TIFF I use 16bit TIFF, do my work in photoshop and then convert to 8 bit and save as jpg.



Since I started using Capture One, I typically don't even have to do anything in Photoshop, the levels/ curves/ white balance/ exposure/ saturation and sharpening in C1 is just that good.

Typically the things I do in photoshop these days are more complex manipulations or spot editing and adding borders. I occasionly use more complex sharpening and then I use photoshop as well, or if I'm creating a duotone. But C1 lets me do all the colour and tonal adjustments before I even get a 16 bit TIFF into photoshop.
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