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09/18/2006 02:30:32 PM · #1 |
jrjr started a thread asking why a particular image (Simple Pleasures) worked. Turn about is fair play!
jrjr's image came in 2nd place in the Single Tree challenge.
Congrats jrjr on your ribbon. I mean no disrespect by calling this image out. I, like you, only want to know why this image worked with the voters.
I gave this image a 5. I like others felt it was way over processed.
I am interested in hearing what other voters think.
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09/18/2006 02:38:19 PM · #2 |
Yea, I see what you mean. It seems a little waxy and unreal. Looks like a "median" [software] filter was used.
But, congrats! You can't argue with the stats. |
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09/18/2006 02:40:22 PM · #3 |
This is a very dynamic image, with a powerful relationship to the challenge topic. I was frankly surprised to see it ribbon, however, not so much because of "overprocessing" (in principle, I like the way this has been processed, it works for this image very well) but because of the very noticeable dodging halos around the trunk of the tree lower right. There's also noticeable haloing around the top and bottom edges of the horizontal component of the tree where it butts against the neat-imaged (or whatever) sky.
I'd love to see the original of this one, jrjr.
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09/18/2006 02:40:37 PM · #4 |
I didn't vote this challenge but I felt it was overprocessed too. Just too smoothed for my tastes. However, it is dramatic and contains interesting elements, so I can see why people would like it.
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09/18/2006 02:53:14 PM · #5 |
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09/18/2006 03:12:29 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I gave this image a 5. I like others felt it was way over processed.
I am interested in hearing what other voters think. |
Same here. But hey, if you can win a ribbon with it, I say go for it. Just not my tastes.
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09/18/2006 03:31:30 PM · #7 |
Actually the haloing around the tree is a natural reflection of the light from the opening in the clouds. What I did forget, is when I softened the light from the cloud break, I left its reflection. Silly me. By the way, I take no offense by any of these comments or of any of the negative post-contest comments with the photo. I think that the controversy is pretty cool and feel that is what "art" is all about. i.e. who hates Picasso, who loves Picasso.
Another amusing anecdote is that I used to object to the over processed pictures on this site, including Joey's for example, but adopted an, "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" attitude. I agree, that this photo is very processed, but the result is a pretty cool effect that would catch one's eye who saw it on a wall.
Scarbrd- Thanks for starting this thread. I like the attention.
--jrjr
I will post the original tonight if everyone has not lost interest by then. |
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09/18/2006 03:55:27 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is a very dynamic image |
What do you find dynamic about it?
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
with a powerful relationship to the challenge topic. |
Meaning that it's a picture of a single tree in the "Single Tree" challenge. Jee, that's a powerful relationship! :)
I would have given this image a 4. |
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09/18/2006 04:03:40 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
I will post the original tonight if everyone has not lost interest by then. |
Please do! I think it would be neat to see. |
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09/18/2006 04:21:11 PM · #10 |
This was my comment during voting. I also had an issue with the processing but felt it worked with the challenge theme and photo. But I did have to look at it long and hard before I made my decision.
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Very nice capture but I am going to have to be honest with you. I had to look at this picture long and hard because of the aggressive post processing. One minute I felt you had gone over the top with the noise reduction software and removed to much detail and the next minute I feel it was a good thing. After debating on a 9 or 10 I will have to award you with a 10. Even though I feel the processing is over the top, it fits the theme and photo.
Great Job! |
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09/18/2006 04:25:43 PM · #11 |
My original comment was...
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Tuborg? Another nice piece of eye candy. The abuse of dodge and burn makes this look completely computer generated though, and for this shot I don't think it was the way to go. Of course it will score well, I have no doubt. I still wonder what exactly nature had offered to my eyes here before photoshop smashed it out of existence. |
...and I guess just all the people who bitched are posting here, because what seems like a general consensus certainly didn't match up to the score the image received.
Edit: allow me to add, having been on the receiving end of a similiar thread once, grats on your ribbon. It is a cool looking image, even if it probably isn't a photo anymore in classic terms.
Message edited by author 2006-09-18 16:26:59. |
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09/18/2006 04:26:34 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I gave this image a 5. I like others felt it was way over processed.
I am interested in hearing what other voters think. |
It's not that an extraordinary number of people loved it. It's just that very few people hated it. Extremely low number of 4- scores and a LOT of 6 scores.
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09/18/2006 04:27:05 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Actually the haloing around the tree is a natural reflection of the light from the opening in the clouds. What I did forget, is when I softened the light from the cloud break, I left its reflection. Silly me. By the way, I take no offense by any of these comments or of any of the negative post-contest comments with the photo. I think that the controversy is pretty cool and feel that is what "art" is all about. i.e. who hates Picasso, who loves Picasso.
Another amusing anecdote is that I used to object to the over processed pictures on this site, including Joey's for example, but adopted an, "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" attitude. I agree, that this photo is very processed, but the result is a pretty cool effect that would catch one's eye who saw it on a wall.
Scarbrd- Thanks for starting this thread. I like the attention.
--jrjr
I will post the original tonight if everyone has not lost interest by then. |
Congrats on having a completely refreshing attitude...heck I plan on checking your stuff out now for sure... |
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09/18/2006 04:35:26 PM · #14 |
yeah... the ribbon on this one surprised both my wife and i... certaionly not a bad shot, but we both thought the processing made it look... well... plastic.
and i say none of this to knock poor jrjr and his pretty red ribbon. (congrats, by the way...) getting a shot that, as leroy has pointed out, no one hates, is not an easy thing to do...
i certainly feel the photo had more potential than is evident in this processed version and i would certainly love to see the original...
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09/18/2006 04:47:02 PM · #15 |
This looks more like a drawing than a photo to me. It's more than overprocessed imo.
I'd like to see the original too. |
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09/18/2006 05:15:45 PM · #16 |
quote=routerguy666] ... and I guess just all the people who bitched are posting here [/quote]
It could be argued that perhaps a fair number of people do not dare proffer their honest opinion, lest they be tied to the stake and offered as a sacrifice to the gods.
How many times have we seen or heard of people being taken to task for giving, what in their view was an honest assessment of an image, albeit perhaps not as glowing as the recipient would have wanted.
I too am happy for the author of this image, and congratulate him on his ribbon. Having said this, I must in all honesty state that I certainly did not pick this as a winner.
Just another man's opinion.
Ray |
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09/18/2006 05:54:03 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is a very dynamic image |
What do you find dynamic about it?
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
with a powerful relationship to the challenge topic. |
Meaning that it's a picture of a single tree in the "Single Tree" challenge. Jee, that's a powerful relationship! :)
I would have given this image a 4. |
The curve of the tree reaching towards the viewer, with the heavy sky behind it, creates a very dynamic composition. Far more dynamic than most of the entries. The "power" in the relationship is that it's a dead tree, putting it odds with the majority of the entries. In any case it's CLEARLY a single tree: it's been stripped of everything but its essential treeness. There's no question of its meeting the challenge head-on.
Compare with my 15th-place image, which is much more contextual and arguably is not an "image of a single tree" albeit it does have a single tree in a larger context.
R.
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09/18/2006 06:09:06 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
it's CLEARLY a single tree: it's been stripped of everything but its essential treeness. |
I think I just found my all-time favorite Bear quote :-)
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09/18/2006 06:25:03 PM · #19 |
Ok. Here is the original followed by some outtakes. I was trying out under-exposing landscapes, based on a technique put forward in a "fotomann_forever" thread or tutorial. The intent was not to blow out the sky, but in achieving this I lost definition in the wood. The over-all poor lighting also contributed to a sub-par photo. What to do? Over-process, of course!   
--jrjr |
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09/18/2006 06:48:56 PM · #20 |
Being situated where it is, surely the tree is driftwood. A tree could not grow there right on the beach with the tide coming in. It's just lucky it was postitioned in such a way.
As for the post-processing, I think there's too much on the "trunk" itself; I thought there were whisps of smoke wafting up.
You can put me in the camp that was surprised this one ribboned. ;>þ
(I didn't vote on this image, btw). |
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09/18/2006 06:53:02 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Pug-H:
Being situated where it is, surely the tree is driftwood. A tree could not grow there right on the beach with the tide coming in. It's just lucky it was postitioned in such a way.
As for the post-processing, I think there's too much on the "trunk" itself; I thought there were whisps of smoke wafting up.
You can put me in the camp that was surprised this one ribboned. ;>þ
(I didn't vote on this image, btw). |
Actually this is a tree, roots and all. Not Driftwood. Thank you for not voting! |
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09/18/2006 06:56:11 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The curve of the tree reaching towards the viewer, with the heavy sky behind it, creates a very dynamic composition. |
The tree is, pretty much parallel to the plane of view. I don't know why you are saying that it is reaching towards the viewer. It's reaching towards the left edge of the frame. The heavy sky, maybe, creates some drammatic effect, but I don't see how it makes this shot dynamic.
IMO, the second shot, posted by the author () is quite a bit better than the mutulated first shot. At least the perspective is a little bit involving, and the horizon does not split the frame in the middle. The tilted horizon, actually, makes the image better.
As far as treeness of this shot goes, my point was that this shot, clearly, meets the challenge. Calling the relation of meeting the challenge *powerfull* sounded grotesque. :) |
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09/18/2006 08:40:52 PM · #23 |
ok... so i took the liberty of having some fun with the original. since i didn't like the processing, i figured it was only fair i throw up my own take at it so  jrjr can get his revenge...
;)
not much done to it... clarify, hue/sat, usm...
but i will say this, the photo would not have ribboned w/o the processing that was done...
and jrjr, if you wanna take revenge on one of my pics, feel free to pm me and i'll send you an orignal... ;)
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09/18/2006 09:17:31 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by kudzu:
ok... so i took the liberty of having some fun with the original. since i didn't like the processing, i figured it was only fair i throw up my own take at it so jrjr can get his revenge...
;)
not much done to it... clarify, hue/sat, usm...
but i will say this, the photo would not have ribboned w/o the processing that was done...
and jrjr, if you wanna take revenge on one of my pics, feel free to pm me and i'll send you an orignal... ;) |
Hey I like it!Maybe I will take you up on your offer- could be fun. This thread has been great fun. Boy, some people take this stuff soooo seriously. Me? I'm just here to have fun and develop my favorite pastime. My recommendation to everyone: "Relax. Have Fun. If this hobby doesn't calm you, maybe you need a new hobby". kudzu- thanks for your effort and input. |
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09/18/2006 09:23:56 PM · #25 |
| Yeah I must say... over processed.. funny how photos ike that turn out with a ribbon... |
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