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 09/12/2006 08:32:12 PM · #26
I have to say that this is still confusing me. I always use ACDSee to transfer my JPegs and as far as I can see the original EXIF is intact. I plug my card into the card reader then drag and drop the files sometimes individually and sometimes in complete folders so I just cant see why or what you would do using this program to change the EXIF (or maybe all my EXIF is incorrect/altered how do I tell?).

Sorry if I appear dense, but I really want to know exactly what was done so I dont make this same mistake.


09/12/2006 08:44:03 PM · #27
To see whether something changes you actually have to look at the the EXIF of the file on the card and then at the EXIF of the file after it has been transferred. What changes is one of the dates (with some transfer programs).
 09/12/2006 08:47:24 PM · #28
"I tried the same thing after reading this thread and only found odd file folders with no images in it, which is why I couldn't figure out how I'd be able to 'manually' do the transfers - there was nothing to transfer! Maybe its just the camera since I had a similar issue?"
You might have to click on the folders several times to get to the folder with the images in it - there are folders within folders.

I just make a new folder on my desktop, put my SD card in the slot on the computer, open it up through My Computer, copy the files and paste them in the new folder.
I do have a card reader, which would be the same process when connected via USB, but it's a slower transfer. (I got the card reader long before I reealised I had an SD slot ;-))
When I connect any image-bearing disc to my computer, the Adobe Photo Album opens up automatically. I suppose there's some way to transfer files from there, but as it's all in Japanese and my system works well and safely, I've never bothered learning how to use the Adobe program.

Message edited by author 2006-09-12 20:48:41.
 09/12/2006 08:50:47 PM · #29
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Chit, I hate to see that happen :-(

R.


Chit? Is he around again?
 09/13/2006 02:53:42 PM · #30
Bummer! When I heard there was a problem with my file and the EXIF I was at a total loss, I had no idea what could have gone wrong. The file I submitted is definitely the original file straight from the camera. I have been trying to find what the problem was because a lot of my photos lately show different times in the EXIF and I had no idea that transfering the files using ACDSee changes this. Recently I stopped shooting in NEF and mainly only shoot in JPEG now, which means I stopped using Capture One and started using ACDSee to transfer from the card to the computer. I suppose it all boils down to being my own fault and I have learnt a lesson from this all. On to the next challenge!
 09/13/2006 03:07:53 PM · #31
Originally posted by kiwiness:
Bummer! When I heard there was a problem with my file and the EXIF I was at a total loss, I had no idea what could have gone wrong. The file I submitted is definitely the original file straight from the camera. I have been trying to find what the problem was because a lot of my photos lately show different times in the EXIF and I had no idea that transfering the files using ACDSee changes this. Recently I stopped shooting in NEF and mainly only shoot in JPEG now, which means I stopped using Capture One and started using ACDSee to transfer from the card to the computer. I suppose it all boils down to being my own fault and I have learnt a lesson from this all. On to the next challenge!


I am so glad to hear we haven't lost you because of this. It broke our heart to DQ your image. :(
09/13/2006 03:10:40 PM · #32
Originally posted by frisca:
I am so glad to hear we haven't lost you because of this. It broke our heart to DQ your image. :(


I's like to think it would break your heart to DQ ANYBODY's image for that reason, be it the mightiest of members (read: Gary) or the rawest of newbies with a personal best down the tubes :-)

R.
 09/13/2006 03:13:48 PM · #33
Originally posted by LucidLotus:
Originally posted by mad_brewer:
When I had my last validation everything was fine and I used the software from Canon that transferred the files. I believe it's Canon Utilities and then it launches Zoombrowser for viewing. I tried the method you suggest and it was just plain buggy for me. I don't know if it was Windows or the camera, but I had to keep clicking off the camera "drive" to a different drive and back and forth a few times for it see the files. I may try it with the new camera and see if it's better.


I tried the same thing after reading this thread and only found odd file folders with no images in it, which is why I couldn't figure out how I'd be able to 'manually' do the transfers - there was nothing to transfer! Maybe its just the camera since I had a similar issue?

edited to fix a contraction


I haven't tried to do it manually, I was referring to when I only the Powershot G6. I still need to try with the 350D.

After reading Pug-H's post above, I realized that I was using the cable straight to the camera and not a card reader. Maybe that's why I had problems doing the manual thing. I build my computer almost two years ago and figured I didn't need a stinkin' card reader. OOPS.

Message edited by author 2006-09-13 15:14:07.
 09/13/2006 03:20:51 PM · #34
Sometimes I use the transfer software that came with my camera and sometimes I copy and paste from the camera "drive." When I transfer with the software it changes the name of the file, but as far as I can tell, that is all that is changed. I can see the EXIF data, date of exposure, and all that by looking at the photo properties while in the viewer program. Is it nolonger considered the original if the program changes the file name? or is it okay because it retains all the important information?
 09/13/2006 04:17:28 PM · #35
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by frisca:
I am so glad to hear we haven't lost you because of this. It broke our heart to DQ your image. :(


I's like to think it would break your heart to DQ ANYBODY's image for that reason, be it the mightiest of members (read: Gary) or the rawest of newbies with a personal best down the tubes :-)

R.


indeed.
 09/13/2006 05:09:44 PM · #36
At home I open NEF files in Nikon Editor which allows me to adjust the exposure, white ballance, etc. and then I transfer them in to PS6 for actual editing. I do not save the Nikon Editor file so the original isn't touched.

I can also edit NEF files at work using PSCS2 which also allows initial adjustments (exposure, WB, contrast, etc.) but saves that data in a seperate file before actually opening them in the PSCS program itself.

In either case I can still provide an untouched original from-the-camera NEF.

Do the adjustments done in either Nikon Editor or in the PSCS2 NEF-reader prior to opening them in Photoshop disqualify those images? In both cases the adjustments are done to the image as a whole.
 09/13/2006 05:16:37 PM · #37
Originally posted by red_gecko:
In either case I can still provide an untouched original from-the-camera NEF.

This is the important part, especially in regards this thread ... : )
Originally posted by red_gecko:

Do the adjustments done in either Nikon Editor or in the PSCS2 NEF-reader prior to opening them in Photoshop disqualify those images? In both cases the adjustments are done to the image as a whole.

Those should be OK.

Message edited by author 2006-09-13 17:16:52.
 09/13/2006 05:21:58 PM · #38
Thanks
 09/19/2006 11:10:02 AM · #39
Stupid newbie here...first off, sorry Gary - that sux!

Someone here turned me onto a Windows program that views RAW. Also use the DPP software that came w/my Canon. To clarify...we CAN use the slot on the pc to transfer w/out it goofing up the files? Does anyone know if Adobe Elements changes anything when it takes in the files? It does try to control everything... Thanks!
 09/19/2006 11:41:12 AM · #40
Originally posted by bergiekat:
To clarify...we CAN use the slot on the pc to transfer w/out it goofing up the files? Does anyone know if Adobe Elements changes anything when it takes in the files? It does try to control everything... Thanks!


Using your built-in SD card slot or CF card slot on your computer doesn't alter the images if you simply copy them using the Windows File Explorer. I use my SD card slot all the time.

If you use PS Elements Organizer to copy the files to your computer, there may be an EXIF edit or two (someone correct me if I am wrong), but nothing that would DQ you from even a Basic Editing challenge.
 09/19/2006 11:52:47 AM · #41
I was wondering about this myself, although I haven't had an entry sent for validation DQed.

I use Nikon View to transfer the NEF (RAW) files from my card to computer. It always adds the information that it is the editor, even though no edits are performed nor can a NEF image be edited anyway! The dates are not changed.

It appears that this is OK since it passes validation. However I perform RAW processing in Nikon Capture and will save the RAW file (with the editing information but, of course, an intact image) under a new name for fear that if I submit that RAW file it would be DQed.

But is that the case? Since the original image is intact, as well as the date stamp, at least the intent of the rule about the original is honored. Shouldn't all RAW files, at least the way Nikon software is handling it, be valid? I assume other cameras and other converters work the same way, never altering the RAW image or the other photo information.
 09/19/2006 12:06:31 PM · #42
Does Capture One "update" the EXIF data too? I use C1 and would hate to have a an image DQ'd for such a silly reason
 09/19/2006 12:33:17 PM · #43
For those unaware, Google's free image organizing software Picasa also will modify EXIF data. And when it does it updates immediately and will not tell you that has done so, nor give you the option to undo.
 09/19/2006 12:45:06 PM · #44
Sounds like we need a community effort to do some systematic tests with all the various software packages and system configurations, and carefully document what does and does not fiddle with EXIF.
 09/19/2006 12:53:49 PM · #45
I use a card reader to transfer my files on my Mac. But usually IPhoto comes up and I tranfer using that. Is IPhoto safe?
 09/19/2006 12:57:03 PM · #46
Originally posted by ltlmschrisss:
I use a card reader to transfer my files on my Mac. But usually IPhoto comes up and I tranfer using that. Is IPhoto safe?

iPhoto is completely safe - it never modifies an original in any way. If you edit or rotate a file, "revert to original" under the Photo menu (I think) takes you right back to the camera original.

Message edited by author 2006-09-19 12:57:15.
 09/19/2006 01:15:04 PM · #47
Originally posted by lesgainous:
... there may be an EXIF edit or two (someone correct me if I am wrong), but nothing that would DQ you from even a Basic Editing challenge.

ANY "edit" to the EXIF data disqualifies a file as an "original" -- that's the whole point of this thread.
 09/19/2006 01:19:17 PM · #48
Is the Canon EOS Utility ok to use? I don't have a card reader and the 20D won't show RAW files in its "drive" so the utility is the only way that I can currently transfer files.

09/19/2006 01:36:40 PM · #49
Started a new thread here to continue the discussion of specific picture transfer software.
 09/20/2006 12:27:03 AM · #50
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Sounds like we need a community effort to do some systematic tests with all the various software packages and system configurations, and carefully document what does and does not fiddle with EXIF.


Would be nice, but....... without input from SC about the criteria they look at, I doubt it will be surefire. I also doubt that they will reveal this criteria. So those worrying about their method should probably submit originals to SC for verification. Then they can publish the results in the other thread below.
Ummmm. Edit: Other thread above. LOL

Message edited by author 2006-09-20 00:27:24.
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