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09/26/2003 03:18:46 AM · #1
Originally posted by Riggs:

Oh, I see. Anyone that did the pic with a cat, dog, baby, or person is basically a moron because they cant THINK.

Thanks for your thoughts. I will think twice about ever doing another entry here.


She's talking about the voters, not the photographers. (They're getting blasted in other threads.) She's complaining about the voter that would not take the time to consider whether a picture that's not a sleeping cat/dog/kid/person might still show something "at rest" with a "calm feeling".
09/25/2003 09:57:46 PM · #2
calm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (käm)
adj. calm·er, calm·est
Nearly or completely motionless; undisturbed: the calm surface of the lake.
Not excited or agitated; composed: The President was calm throughout the global crisis.

n.
An absence or cessation of motion; stillness.
Serenity; tranquillity; peace.
A condition of no wind or a wind with a speed of less than 1 mile (2 kilometers) per hour, according to the Beaufort scale.

tr. & intr.v. calmed, calm·ing, calms
To make or become calm or quiet: A warm bath will calm you. After the storm, the air calmed.


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[Middle English calme, from Old French, from Old Italian calmo, from Late Latin cauma, heat of the day, resting place in the heat of the day, from Greek kauma, burning heat, from kaiein, to burn. N., from Middle English calme from Italian calma, from Vulgar Latin *calma, from Late Latin.]
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calmly adv.
calmness n.
Synonyms: calm, tranquil, placid, serene, peaceful
These adjectives denote absence of excitement or disturbance: calm acceptance of the inevitable; hoped for a more tranquil life in the country; a soothing, placid tempermant; spent a serene, restful weekend at the lake; a peaceful hike through the scenic hills.

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calm

\Calm\ (k[aum]m), n. [OE. calme, F. calme, fr. It. or Sp. calma (cf. Pg. calma heat), prob. fr. LL. cauma heat, fr. Gr. kay^ma burning heat, fr. kai`ein to burn; either because during a great heat there is generally also a calm, or because the hot time of the day obliges us seek for shade and quiet; cf. Caustic] Freedom from motion, agitation, or disturbance; a cessation or absence of that which causes motion or disturbance, as of winds or waves; tranquility; stillness; quiet; serenity.

The wind ceased, and there was a great calm. --Mark. iv. 39.

A calm before a storm is commonly a peace of a man's own making. --South.


09/25/2003 09:52:05 PM · #3
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by Jon Lucas:

I had no cats to hand - no dogs - no kids (that ever rest) - no sleeping strangers - no lounging frogs - no typically resting animate objects whatsover. So the voters now have something they must think about.

And they're refusing to! ;D


It's the whole thought process that so many are unable to comprehend...just like the sports challenge if they didn't see the sport in action they just didn't take the time to figure out how it related to sports.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste but so many waste it cause they don't take the time to THINK.


Oh, I see. Anyone that did the pic with a cat, dog, baby, or person is basically a moron because they cant THINK.

Thanks for your thoughts. I will think twice about ever doing another entry here.
09/25/2003 09:16:28 PM · #4
I have demured from several challenges since joining the site several weeks ago based on what the rules said or implied for the criteria.
What I am seeing is lots of people using creative license to post just about anything that comes in front of the camera in hopes of gaining some recognition.
Seems more like spamming the challenges in loose fashion in hopes of hitting a mark is more the order of the day than thoughtfully composing a photo wether amateur or pro to met the criteria.
Being a slow dialup user it seems my bandwidth will keep me from voting on this one or better yet waiting till the challenge is specific enough in scope or difficult enough to cull the shotgun blast of creative license being argued here.
Good luck to the winner and hopefully it will be a photo I can learn from and be inspired by.
09/25/2003 09:09:53 PM · #5
I seem to be muddling the voting on this site and I am so sorry if my comments are mean sounding. I joined the site to stretch myself and learn. So, if I look at an image and it doesn't show anything that hasn't been done by a dozen other people in the same challenge, I will give it a score below 5, it doesn't matter if it's technically flawless or not or whether it is on subject.
Anyway. That's my take on voting. I'm new, so don't take it personally.
Boy, that sounds snotty to me. What I was meaning to say is, the more orginal a picture is, the more points I will give it!

Message edited by author 2003-09-25 21:28:48.
09/25/2003 03:44:22 PM · #6
*sigh*
Can we go to just having topics without descriptions? At Rest, sitting or lying still, and a calm shot... they just aren't all the same thing. People decide which part is important to *them* and base their voting on it. I think that At Rest implies that it could be in motion, whether on its own or with help, and isn't. However, I'm not marking down shots where action isn't possible if they were just trying to convey a calm feeling.
My rest shot is a full 1.5 points lower than my macro shot, and it's a better picture. The subject is seated or lying and is capable of motion but was shot at 1/5 second without blur (definitely not active).
OK. I'm done ranting. :)
09/25/2003 10:27:39 AM · #7
Originally posted by JenHall:

lol..isn't the point of learning to go up in ratings...i am sinking faster than ..than..my last entry


Just one of the pitfalls of democracy Jen. You know that the results would be different if professional photographers were the only judges, but that has its' downside too. Don't be discouraged! Develop your own style and keep improving. Where you are in likfe is not nearly so important as which way you're heading! Smaltzy but true.
09/25/2003 10:21:02 AM · #8
I completely agree with EddyG

<<Since just about anything can be "At Rest", I think the most important part of the challenge brief is "with a feeling of calm to the shot."... >>
We don't have to stick to words, only to the main goal ...

"with a feeling of calm to the shot." it's a quite more open mind than "Lying, staying stable, .. or wathever"

In this case the feeling of calm for me was the main goal, lying or not.

Anyway I always vote in 2 phases, begining by voting the pictures I like the much, after in the first rated, I choose the ones closer to my taste and to the challenge theme, and give them more points than the others.
I will never (of course) give high points to an Out of challenge picture or snapshot, or to a photography I don't understand (in this case I would leave a message to try to understand the goal of the photographer, because I am not god, and maybe there is a hidden goal or meaning I don't understand). For me the main goal of DP Challenge is not to win, it's only to learn, discover (other ideas and other's ideas) and share (technics and point of view). It's why the PICTURE and the message IS ALWAYS more important (in certain limits) than the challenge itself. Anayway it's true the main goal of the challenge is to challenge, so the picture have to be in the acceptable challenge limits, everybody is not Ansel Adams or Cartier Bresson, ... but I think everybody wants to share and participate ... with cats, dogs, snapshots or not ... at least to improve their skills and their vision of the photography (and certainly not only your vision).

Share and discover ... like a child!
09/25/2003 04:21:10 AM · #9
I think the point of learning is to take better photographs and to focus on what you like, not necessarily other people. If you want to win challenges you may either have to sacrifice your own preferences or work out how to tap in to the voters on this site.

Some do both very well. It seems I don't ;)
09/25/2003 03:52:13 AM · #10
lol..isn't the point of learning to go up in ratings...i am sinking faster than ..than..my last entry

cheers to all 3-ish bunch!
09/25/2003 01:26:00 AM · #11
lots of pets, yes... my photo has already been commented on a bunch of times about it 'not meeting the challenge', but i think the point of the challenge was to display a scene with a calm mood, or a still setting. quiet, reserved, maybe a little reflective. but... instead i went through the 300 photos and a good deal were snapshots of pets.

*sigh* maybe next time.
09/24/2003 08:10:00 PM · #12
...So, if everyone's so sick of kids and pets (which I'm not, that wasn't the point of my original comment), then why isn't my non-kid, non-pet shot doing better??? :) OK, maybe it sucks! (I don't think so, but I figure I might as well make the statement before someone else does...)
09/24/2003 08:06:49 PM · #13
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Awww but you are wrong there, you can still capture the action without the actual sport being played. A photo of a parent giving a young player a pep talk during a practice is still capturing the action as is a photo of a coach talking to a player.


Awwww, but you assume I'm talking about your shot! :) I liked yours well enough, and I agree, as much as some people don't get it, thinking, learning and coaching are very much an aspect of many sports. I also think yours suffered as much, if not more, from the image quality (which also had a bit of charm for me) than from challenge interpretation - you only had two comments on meeting the challenge, but lots on the fuzziness. (You even posted yourself that it was a mistake that lead to the image quality.)
09/24/2003 08:04:50 PM · #14
Originally posted by pylorns:

strickly speaking, i definatly went through more cat and dog pictures than i ever have, there were some good ones though but jeez..


Maybe we need "0" in voting for cats and "11" for real art photos! LOL
09/24/2003 07:58:27 PM · #15
It's part of the deal, but I still get annoyed when shots are marked down because someone is tired of the subject. If the picture meets the topic and has no blatant technical flaws then I very rarely could justify ranking it below a 5. Unfortunately, not everyone keeps such an open mind when going through the entries.
09/24/2003 05:59:16 PM · #16
strickly speaking, i definatly went through more cat and dog pictures than i ever have, there were some good ones though but jeez..
09/24/2003 05:59:02 PM · #17
Originally posted by studio1graphics:

To all those wishing that the viewers of this site did more "thinking" let me remind you of the audience. There are perhaps a handful of truly talented artists on this site. The rest of the voting majority are normal, everyday people who self-proclaim themselves to be "art critics". If you're expecting your judges to do some creative thinking or have an artistic eye, then this is not the right venue for you to be displaying your art. An art show at an accredited Art College or University judged by graduate art students and/or faculty would be a better venue for you. On the other hand, if you love to display God-awfully boring and endless pictures of your kitty or doggy, then you've come to the right place.

Lol, very true!
09/24/2003 05:52:53 PM · #18
Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

...just like the sports challenge if they didn't see the sport in action they just didn't take the time to figure out how it related to sports.


The catch there was, the description of the sports challenge specifically said "capture the action". :( So that was a legitimate deduction, IMO.


Awww but you are wrong there, you can still capture the action without the actual sport being played. A photo of a parent giving a young player a pep talk during a practice is still capturing the action as is a photo of a coach talking to a player.

Just meant the voter had to think and well we all know cause DPC challenge has that HUGE flaw of being able to VOTE at the top of the page! Often an entire photo isn't viewed and the vote is cast with in the first few seconds of seeing a photo. I know I would like to say I don't do that but I catch myself doing it from time to time. I think the photos that should score higher are the ones that are good and make you think about the challenge and how they relate. DPC lacks the thought process by keeping the numbers above the photo cause it is to simple to click on the number just to hurry up and get through all the photos!!!!!!!!!!!

Message edited by author 2003-09-24 17:54:08.
09/24/2003 05:36:13 PM · #19
Originally posted by Everyday Renee:

I don't see inanimate objects as something that can be "At Rest". They don't move or get comfy -- they are always frozen in time.

They can be moved to "rest" in a different position. Just my own personal take. Inanimate objects don't reflect calm to me...never will.

Do you ever look at a chair or a table and say, "Oh how calm it looks today. It looks like it is at rest." I don't think so...

Renee


No, but I do look at cars, planes, boats, bicycles, and lots of other objects (not just related to transportation) that do move. And some of them can move while not under direct control of a person. And, when they stop moving, they come to rest. Look at the object and ask yourself, is this thing ever in a state where it's active or moving? And, given the image I'm looking at, is it not in that state, and therefore in a calm, restfull state?

I'm having trouble coming up with a good example that wouldn't potentially give away my entery (it's none of the examples above)... :(
09/24/2003 05:33:46 PM · #20
Originally posted by Everyday Renee:

I don't see inanimate objects as something that can be "At Rest". They don't move or get comfy -- they are always frozen in time.

Is a pendulum an animate object then? They are calming to me.
09/24/2003 05:33:25 PM · #21
To all those wishing that the viewers of this site did more "thinking" let me remind you of the audience. There are perhaps a handful of truly talented artists on this site. The rest of the voting majority are normal, everyday people who self-proclaim themselves to be "art critics". If you're expecting your judges to do some creative thinking or have an artistic eye, then this is not the right venue for you to be displaying your art. An art show at an accredited Art College or University judged by graduate art students and/or faculty would be a better venue for you. On the other hand, if you love to display God-awfully boring and endless pictures of your kitty or doggy, then you've come to the right place.
09/24/2003 05:19:09 PM · #22
I don't see inanimate objects as something that can be "At Rest". They don't move or get comfy -- they are always frozen in time.

They can be moved to "rest" in a different position. Just my own personal take. Inanimate objects don't reflect calm to me...never will.

Do you ever look at a chair or a table and say, "Oh how calm it looks today. It looks like it is at rest." I don't think so...

Renee

Message edited by author 2003-09-24 17:20:13.
09/24/2003 04:58:29 PM · #23
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

...just like the sports challenge if they didn't see the sport in action they just didn't take the time to figure out how it related to sports.


The catch there was, the description of the sports challenge specifically said "capture the action". :( So that was a legitimate deduction, IMO.

And, on the flip side, the interpretive part of this weeks challenge is the "feeling of calm". Anyone who doesn't like inanimate objects can argue they didn't get a sense of calm. If I could show the voters a picture of the shot which inspired my At Rest entry, it might be more apparent that my shot has a calm feeling to it. Or maybe not. Oh well...
09/24/2003 04:44:52 PM · #24
hehe mine has already received a comment about it not meeting the requirements... but when i look at the photo .. the main object in the photo is at rest .. and has no plans on moving without someone else making it move.
09/24/2003 04:36:37 PM · #25
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by Jon Lucas:

I had no cats to hand - no dogs - no kids (that ever rest) - no sleeping strangers - no lounging frogs - no typically resting animate objects whatsover. So the voters now have something they must think about.

And they're refusing to! ;D


It's the whole thought process that so many are unable to comprehend...just like the sports challenge if they didn't see the sport in action they just didn't take the time to figure out how it related to sports.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste but so many waste it cause they don't take the time to THINK.

I'm thinking I should have "rested" for this challenge ....
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