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09/01/2006 01:20:54 PM · #26
Probably better put in a mechanism to mark certain photographer profiles as "adult" too, otherwise you'd never be able to look at someone's profile or send them a PM or learn more about them.

Maybe the forums need to be "broken off" of DPC and have a whole new set of rules that they must be family friendly at all times. DPC isn't really family friendly in any other areas but there seems to be a lot of interest in the forums going in that direction. This would solve the OP's problem.

Anyone who posted content or information that either the SC or some members don't like would be a violation of the ToS and would ultimately lead to suspension and banning from the forum and eventually the site.
09/01/2006 01:58:43 PM · #27
Originally posted by Megatherian:

Probably better put in a mechanism to mark certain photographer profiles as "adult" too, otherwise you'd never be able to look at someone's profile or send them a PM or learn more about them.

Maybe the forums need to be "broken off" of DPC and have a whole new set of rules that they must be family friendly at all times. DPC isn't really family friendly in any other areas but there seems to be a lot of interest in the forums going in that direction. This would solve the OP's problem.

Anyone who posted content or information that either the SC or some members don't like would be a violation of the ToS and would ultimately lead to suspension and banning from the forum and eventually the site.

Hmmm. I detect a little over the top sarcasm here. ;^)

It's really not that bad. Nothing needs to change in a major way, simply enforce one of the forum rules.

As for the other stuff regarding nude images, if all challenge entries containing nude images were properly categorized to 'Nude', a good majority of browsing this website would be worry free regarding adult content. It would cover images under the equipment areas since those are challenge entries, and it would take care of images that are top scorers for member profile views. Portfolios...you kind of have to go looking to run across anything there. Photos:Browse and Photos:Galleries would also still be areas to avoid if nude images are a concern as they contain non-challenge photos categorized by the submitter.
09/01/2006 02:07:22 PM · #28
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by LoudDog:

As a salary employee in the US (FLSA exempt) I can leave work when I want, arrive at work when I want, and as long as all my assigned tasks are complete my boss can not do anything to me about how much or how little actual time I put into working (except give me more tasks...). (The down side to being salary is they do not have to pay you overtime)


My boss can not do anything to me??? Not in my universe. I do get the down side, however.


Your boss can say you need to be at the 6am and the 3pm meeting everyday, they can give you so much work you need to work 10 hours a day to finish it on time, and they can punish you for missing a deadline or meeting, but they can not dock your pay or punish you for leaving work early or coming in late if you are exempt. Read the FLSA. If they do dock your pay for not working 40 hours in a week, even once, you go to a good FLSA attorney and you get paid for all the overtime you ever worked because they had you incorrectly classified as exempt.
09/01/2006 02:18:23 PM · #29
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


A web site suggestion:
Have a check box by the forum post text box that allows a user to mark his/her post as adult content that can be filtered by viewers.


Anyone want to debate letting a poster tag their own posts as adult content?

Took that topic over here

Message edited by author 2006-09-01 14:34:10.
09/01/2006 02:22:50 PM · #30
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


A web site suggestion:
Have a check box by the forum post text box that allows a user to mark his/her post as adult content that can be filtered by viewers.


Anyone want to debate letting a poster tag their own posts as adult content?

Which would become the neverending debate.

I'm sure the moral boundaries and what is considered 'nudity' or 'adult content' would be quite different between, say, a strict Muslim or a Porn Actor.

Who sets the boundary? - The lowest common denominator? The 'majority' of DPC? - In which case we're going to spend forever hearing complaints about inappropriate threads.
09/01/2006 02:23:05 PM · #31
Shame so much of our world is without trust, adults not being adults, and everything having to be so politically correct.
I do understand the issue, just have no suggestions to help the situation that hasn't already been made.
09/01/2006 02:25:17 PM · #32
Originally posted by Vapor63:

Perhaps the moderators of the site could jimmy up a little script in which pictures containing nudity, when uploaded, have a check box to indicate such. Then, when people post a picture with nudity mid-thread and the such, make the picture blocked from viewing until clicked on or some such business with a clear indication as to why. This way, you can read a thread with nudity in it without the thread of the boss-man peeking over and seeing Johnny the porn-meister.

At the same time it would allow actual Johnny the porn meisters (such as myself) who wish to view such images to have this capability without a bunch of workaround business on their part. Open, easy discussion: Check. Not having boobs on your screen when you don't want them to be there: Check.

You can replace your thumbnail with a disclaimer like this:



Message edited by author 2006-09-01 14:41:58.
09/01/2006 02:26:45 PM · #33
Originally posted by jhonan:


Who sets the boundary? - The lowest common denominator? The 'majority' of DPC? - In which case we're going to spend forever hearing complaints about inappropriate threads.


Well, I'm definitely on the "open" side, but I would use such a system for posts that I thought had a chance of offending people, just for the sole purpose of keeping drama out of my experience here.

Hell, I'd probably click the box by default... LOL

Moved that topic over here

Message edited by author 2006-09-01 14:34:40.
09/01/2006 02:36:58 PM · #34
The primary concern with adult content are the images. In the example I pointed out initially that post contained numerous image thumbnails, only one was a nude.
09/01/2006 02:48:44 PM · #35
I will get it right in a minute, I guess.

If you wish to post a nude during mid thread then just replace the thumbnail picture with a warning picture. When clicked on it will take the view to the picture you want to post in the thread but you have warned the viewer first.

You want be able to use the simple thumbnail icon on top. You would have to use the forum code:

[*url=//www.website.com/path/to/fullsize.jpg][*img]//www.website.com/path/to/thumbnail.jpg[*/img][*/url ] (without the *).

Example:
1. Replace the fullsize.jpg line with the link to your image.
2. Replace the thumbnail.jpg line with the link to your disclaimer.

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22970/thumb/389265.gif', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22970/thumb/389265.gif', '/') + 1) . '

Now you can click on the warning thumbnail but go to another shot.
SDW
09/01/2006 02:57:14 PM · #36
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Megatherian:

Probably better put in a mechanism to mark certain photographer profiles as "adult" too, otherwise you'd never be able to look at someone's profile or send them a PM or learn more about them.

Maybe the forums need to be "broken off" of DPC and have a whole new set of rules that they must be family friendly at all times. DPC isn't really family friendly in any other areas but there seems to be a lot of interest in the forums going in that direction. This would solve the OP's problem.

Anyone who posted content or information that either the SC or some members don't like would be a violation of the ToS and would ultimately lead to suspension and banning from the forum and eventually the site.

Hmmm. I detect a little over the top sarcasm here. ;^)

It's really not that bad. Nothing needs to change in a major way, simply enforce one of the forum rules.

As for the other stuff regarding nude images, if all challenge entries containing nude images were properly categorized to 'Nude', a good majority of browsing this website would be worry free regarding adult content. It would cover images under the equipment areas since those are challenge entries, and it would take care of images that are top scorers for member profile views. Portfolios...you kind of have to go looking to run across anything there. Photos:Browse and Photos:Galleries would also still be areas to avoid if nude images are a concern as they contain non-challenge photos categorized by the submitter.


Actually not as much sarcasm as you might think. The past few weeks there has been more of a movement in that direction. Rather than slowly tackling each little problem, why not just do it at once. Who says the forums need to be under the same kind of feeling and guidelines as the rest of the site.
09/01/2006 02:57:20 PM · #37
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Megatherian:

Probably better put in a mechanism to mark certain photographer profiles as "adult" too, otherwise you'd never be able to look at someone's profile or send them a PM or learn more about them.

Maybe the forums need to be "broken off" of DPC and have a whole new set of rules that they must be family friendly at all times. DPC isn't really family friendly in any other areas but there seems to be a lot of interest in the forums going in that direction. This would solve the OP's problem.

Anyone who posted content or information that either the SC or some members don't like would be a violation of the ToS and would ultimately lead to suspension and banning from the forum and eventually the site.

Hmmm. I detect a little over the top sarcasm here. ;^)

It's really not that bad. Nothing needs to change in a major way, simply enforce one of the forum rules.

As for the other stuff regarding nude images, if all challenge entries containing nude images were properly categorized to 'Nude', a good majority of browsing this website would be worry free regarding adult content. It would cover images under the equipment areas since those are challenge entries, and it would take care of images that are top scorers for member profile views. Portfolios...you kind of have to go looking to run across anything there. Photos:Browse and Photos:Galleries would also still be areas to avoid if nude images are a concern as they contain non-challenge photos categorized by the submitter.


If I can read between the lines a little here, ultimately, if you had your way, all nudity should be banned from the site, wish you would just come out and say it. It's gone fro forum posts to now adjusting the way challenge entries are viewed via other avenues.
Going to speak my mind here for a minute. Seems lately that there's a very concerted effort to address the adult content on the site in all forms, inuendo, images, flirting and off color jokes. Can't remeber this happening before, so it seems a little coincidental to me that it's happening so frequently of late. Almost like there's an agenda and a little back room meneuvering. I've also noticed alot of reference, albeit subtle, to certain members who routinely post. Should they're profiles be flagged? It occurs to me that no one mentions the like of Kiwiness or Caliopekel or a number of other members who post nudity regularily. Wonder if the content is really the problem or is it more accurate to suggest that perhaps what really is being requested by some is that certain members be gagged.
09/01/2006 03:17:43 PM · #38
Originally posted by Qart:

... If I can read between the lines a little here ...

No, you may not. I have no other agenda/motive. I simply am tired of opening a forum thread and seeing nude images when they shouldn't be there. This is all in accordance with the forum rules that EXIST - nothing new being introduced here.

I've stated my position on nude images in general, and they don't line up with your last post - please read before making broad assumptions.

Thanks.
09/01/2006 03:20:55 PM · #39
Just to put my view in ...

While I see the reason for (and agree with) the forum rule, it seems to be applied a bit late in the series of events. I've learned that if you want to prevent something from happening (or enforce it happening a certain way) to put my efforts in as early in the cycle as possible. In this case, the crack down should be on those putting nude images in the portfolio or into challenges -- they should be cracked down on to catagorize them properly. Then no-one would need to worry about wether or not a portfolio image is appropriate for someone elses viewing habits.

There are a few outside images linked, but those have rarely been a problem that I've noticed. But I haven't been looking for problems, so may have missed it. Those are usually flagged by the posted when linking to the off-site content.

But as a quick and easy way to flag posts for content, perhaps adding a folder icon instead of words in the title. Perhaps a folder with caution tape across it. It would save screen realistate and and the SC time when adding it to the few threads that don't get it.

But to reitterate my main point, portfolio images are uploaded once but potentially linked many times -- concentrating the crackdown when they are uploaded makes the whole job much easier.

David
09/01/2006 03:25:51 PM · #40
I certainly don't think Barry has any hidden agenda at all. His concerns have been well-articulated, and IMO cannot be construed to suggest that the content is the problem, rather the fact (and it is fact) that the content often winds up unflagged, at least for a time.
Constructive ideas as to how to avoid this are always welcome.
FWIW, tasteful nudity has and will continue to be allowed at DPC. We will, however, continue to work to see that the "flagging" of such content is effective.
09/01/2006 03:34:55 PM · #41
Good point Louddog, you're lucky to be able to surf at work without your boss minding. I was able to when I worked at the computer shop, but only after I got all my systems done first, and if I had to stick around in case someone brought another in or we were waiting on something else.

Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22970/thumb/389265.gif', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22970/thumb/389265.gif', '/') + 1) . '


Hey, that picture doesn't contain any adult content... No fair!
09/01/2006 03:46:46 PM · #42
Originally posted by LoudDog:

Your boss can say you need to be at the 6am and the 3pm meeting everyday, they can give you so much work you need to work 10 hours a day to finish it on time, and they can punish you for missing a deadline or meeting, but they can not dock your pay or punish you for leaving work early or coming in late if you are exempt. Read the FLSA. If they do dock your pay for not working 40 hours in a week, even once, you go to a good FLSA attorney and you get paid for all the overtime you ever worked because they had you incorrectly classified as exempt.


My boss can say I need to be "on call" from 8 to 5, which means sitting at my desk. He can then say that while I'm sitting at my desk I have to be working. If I do all my work, he can give me more to do. And no, he will not dock my pay. He'll just fire me. Then I can sue and try to prove that's why he fired me. Oh, that sounds like fun! I don't have to read the FLSA to know that it's just a unionbusting measure.

(dang, I'm sorry we're highjacking this thread, glad2badad. I was just befuddled and had to respond)
09/01/2006 03:51:20 PM · #43
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Qart:

... If I can read between the lines a little here ...

No, you may not. I have no other agenda/motive. I simply am tired of opening a forum thread and seeing nude images when they shouldn't be there. This is all in accordance with the forum rules that EXIST - nothing new being introduced here.

I've stated my position on nude images in general, and they don't line up with your last post - please read before making broad assumptions.

Thanks.


A stated position is not always the whole story... sorry but your post seems rather timely in light of recent activity. If that is your position, so be it. I'll not assume otherwise.
09/01/2006 04:22:50 PM · #44
Qart, in all honesty, this is an issue glad2badad has had for a while. He's just taking the initiative to constructively do something about it. He's also made it abundantly clear in this thread and others that I've read that *nudity* is not the issue. Nudes not being flagged correctly is the issue. He is not asking us to remove adult material from the site, he was simply asking SC to enforce a rule we had invoked.

As far as the other things you bring up, they were "dealt" with after an exceedingly large (and vocal) group asked us to deal with it. When it became a visible issue, the "players" tuned it down on their own accord. Nothing has been "done." We have no desire to "gag" any of the members, all who contribute postitively to the site.

That the two situations have occurred closely together in the spectrum of time and space is a coincedence.

We are not into censorship, and I can't see that by making a small change in the forums that would allow people to access dpc at work and home with comfort is a bad thing.

Somedays, it is dpc that gets me through the workday . . .
09/01/2006 04:26:35 PM · #45
Originally posted by Qart:

... A stated position is not always the whole story... sorry but your post seems rather timely in light of recent activity. If that is your position, so be it. I'll not assume otherwise.

Thanks for elevating me to conspirator status. ;^) <== that's a wink BTW.

I'm familiar with the other "hubbub" as I'd seen some thread activity, but that's not something I'm concerned with as it's all text/verbiage, etc...and I've pretty much ignored it.
09/01/2006 04:28:32 PM · #46
I ain't seen no adult content on this site yet. Only a few rather shy nudes.
Adult content, indeed. Is that wishful thinking? :-)
09/01/2006 04:46:07 PM · #47
why don't we all get naked? yes everyone! Than no one can be offended by the most natural thing known to mankind.

If you are at work surfing a site that you frequent daily you should be well aware from past experience that you could stumble across something offensive or NSFW. Try Disney.com or ESPN.com save the other sites for when you are home or in a place where you can view it without having to worry about it.

This is the internet 95% of it is NSFW period.. At least the nudity on this site is done in the name of art.

Wasn't it Confusious that said He he walks about naked has nothing to hide? not sure if it applies here but it is a interesting thought.

09/01/2006 04:48:53 PM · #48
Originally posted by karmat:


As far as the other things you bring up, they were "dealt" with after an exceedingly large (and vocal) group asked us to deal with it. When it became a visible issue, the "players" tuned it down on their own accord. Nothing has been "done." We have no desire to "gag" any of the members, all who contribute postitively to the site.

We are not into censorship, and I can't see that by making a small change in the forums that would allow people to access dpc at work and home with comfort is a bad thing.


As far as I am concerned nothing has been "dealt with".

The rest of your post, I find it laughable ...

Message edited by author 2006-09-01 18:39:07.
09/01/2006 04:54:43 PM · #49
Interesting read. I agree with the OP that a link instead of a thumbnail is needed when the warning is not in the title.

About marking the nudes as such, I just took the one nude I have OUT of the Nude category. It was a shot that took me out of my comfort zone to shoot and submit, yet I made the choice to do it. Then, it was stolen and placed in a "seamy" site that really bothered me. It also bothered me that it was being view "just because it was a nude." I want it being viewed as a piece of art as I shot it. So, I put the category back to none to address those issues.

Once I'm home, (I don't view the shot from my work computer), I'll change the category back to Nude in order to make sure others don't see an image they don't want to see. At the time, I didn't think about that result. Sorry if I caused a problem.

Just wanted you to know there was a reason for not marking a photo.

Becky
09/01/2006 06:18:48 PM · #50
Our home PC is in the family room...where the family is a lot of the time. I have small people in my house, all three of whom are not sheltered from the world by most stretches of the imagination. I do, however, feel it important to make sure they don't see gratuitous or unnecessary imagery, especially the youngest two. They know about nakedness and nude art for art's sake, but I don't think they need to be subjected to it while they're in here watching TV or playing a game while I'm online. Believe me, I appreciate the human figure and tasteful, artistic nude art as much as the next gal but like the fair warning and the opportunity NOT to look at it if I am in polite company or at work (shhh...don't tell my boss). It's just a matter of common decency, respect, and playing nice by the rules/TOS. I'm glad that glad2badad brought the issue up to everyone, as we all need good reminders every now and again. :)
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