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09/21/2006 10:06:28 AM · #1
Originally posted by MadMan2k:

Originally posted by rex:

And what if your child is looking at this site and this person has not flagged images as nude?


I think ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE made the point a while ago, that he would rather his kids see breasts (which they already knew about, as all kids do), than guns and violence. I sort of agree, I don't think it'll hurt kids to see an odd boob here and there when they're looking over their parent's shoulder. They can't see boobs shooting people on TV and then go steal a boob and shoot their classmates with it..


Not quite sure what you are trying to say here, but do we NOT have a right to our opinion as well. If I choose, as a parent, not to allow my kids to see nude..does that make you right and me wrong? NO..I don't allow my kids to look at nude magazines, pictures on the website. I don't care if they are clean or not. That is my way of being a good parent. They have enough to think about.

Do I mind nudes myself? NO..I have actually take quite a few. The body is a beautiful thing.

I think everyone reading these forums should beable to have an opinion all their own without someone trying to tell them how to live their life or how to think and feel or even argueing whether or not someone doesn't have free time at work.

remember when reading forums ..always have an open mind
09/21/2006 08:44:25 AM · #2
Thanks Langdon!

I just noticed today (in 30 Day Self Portrait thread) that the thumbnails for adult (nude) images posted to forums now have a placeholder 'hidden due to content' jpg. Makes the site much easier/safer to browse at work. ;^)
09/01/2006 10:17:19 PM · #3
Glen. That is the most beautiful, thoughtfull post I have ever read.
09/01/2006 10:11:57 PM · #4
Thank you all for participating in this discussion and keeping the topic fairly on track and not derailing to the point of getting this moved to Rant.

For those that have come into this discussion late I'm reposting my original comments for clarification. The first couple of pages have some pretty good feedback to catch up on if you haven't yet, and the website suggestion thread that ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' fotomann_forever recently referenced is worth taking a look at and providing feedback on.

Again, many thanks, and good night.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Yes, I've posted this in Web Site Suggestion intentionaly, as it's a suggestion to make this web site work better...we'll see how long it lasts before moving to Rant.

Forum Rules, specifically rule #7, states:

"When posting potentially adult content, include a warning. When possible, include the warning in your subject line. If you are posting in an existing thread, consider carefully whether the content is appropriate for the thread. If it is, include a warning at the beginning of your post. Unless your warning is in the subject line, any images must be linked rather than thumbnailed or posted directly."

This means that posting nude images in a currently running thread should not be happening - yet it does happen, frequently.

When a posting of this nature is discovered it's usually an unwelcome surprise, especially when viewing this site at work. I imagine it could be an issue with minors as well.

I would think the intention of Forum Rule #7 was to eliminate these kind of surprises.

I'm an adult, and don't mind seeing a little skin when done in a tasteful manner - but I don't think it's right for this kind of imagery to show up unexpectedly.

As a side note, I'm disappointed in the uneven response from those responsible for enforcing Forum Rule #7. Sometimes the response to a 'Report Post' for this rule is handled in a timely manner, sometimes it's ignored completely.

Last item related to this subject. Why aren't all images that contain nudity classified in the Nude category? The Nude preference (to hide after voting) setting in 'My Preferences' blocks maybe half of the nude images that show up on this site.
09/01/2006 10:06:22 PM · #5
I'm a nudist by nature. I wouldn't have one iota of a problem with my own children seeing people naked, or pictures of people naked. Or being around people that are naked, or taking them to a nude beach or resort or whatever.. (if I had any.. but I know myself pretty darned well and what kind of parent I'd like to be.)

However.. The OP has a point.. which I've had to think about and consider.. and it's a good one.

Just how difficult is it to contain nude photographs to threads with a warning on them, or make them links instead of thumbnails? It's a matter of courtesy really.. no matter what your personal thoughts are on the matter.

We're a community here, and as such, we have to consider *everyone* in that community. Not just ourselves.. not just our beliefs and feelings.

And that is why compromises happen. Nudes are great, when done right. They're a part of photography and art. But they are something that needs to be separated and easily identified for a number of reasons, in order to maintain a decent level of respect and courtesy for those that don't wish to see them. (personal feelings about said people *COMPLETELY* aside. That's *not* at question here).

So yes. I agree that the forum rules, as written, should:

A) be enforced more strongly and consistently.

B) be followed more respectfully by everyone.

and C) be realized for what they are. A compromise intended to keep a majority of people happy and respectful.

Like anything, this is a matter that is highly polarized.. but if you can spare *one* small moment to put your personal feelings aside, and think for a minute about respecting the people that share this site with you.. you'll realize that it's a pretty good system. They allow us that like nudes and nude photography to have them here... but we compromise by keeping them in threads labelled as such, and having a responsibility to mark them as such for the filters. On the other side, the people that don't wish to see them are happy, respected, and stop having to complain about seeing it.

Win/Win really.

One last word: However, because of the nature of the site, of community, and of humanity.. it is *UNREASONABLE* to have an expectation that you'll *never* come across nudity on this site unexpectedly. A good reaction would be to report such instances, PM the owner of the photos and.. POLITELY.. ask them to make it a link or add it to the nude filter. Publically asking people, IMO, is a last resort method as it just opens the door to negativity. If reported posts go unanswered, you can always PM any SC member.. (or all of them), and get it dealt with. In the meantime, you know where to avoid for now.

That's just my public plea. Please *don't* get too upset or shocked or offended by the occasional accidental nude. Deal with it privately, and the site will be a better place.
09/01/2006 09:57:01 PM · #6
I can't enforce the rules, can you?

Only the SC can enforce the rules. There are much better ways to contact the SC for an SC problem. If you don't like the way the SC is doing their jobs then D&L wold be the people to go to.

Why start a thread open to the public if you don't want the public to respond? What kind of a reaction did you think this thread would really get?

Can you really not see how this might seem like there's more of an agenda here than just telling the SC they aren't doing their jobs well enough?
09/01/2006 09:47:23 PM · #7
¡No comprendo estupidez!
09/01/2006 09:43:48 PM · #8
No matter how much you try to make this sound like it's all a problem I have with the system, I will not feel shamed into shutting up. The rule exists. I didn't write the rule. Will you please tell me why you cannot comprehend that fact?
09/01/2006 09:39:30 PM · #9
Don't vote at work then... nude pop up all the time during voting ...
09/01/2006 09:34:38 PM · #10
At some point, someone decided that it might not be good to have nudes posted directly in the forums. They included that within the tos. I didn't write the tos. Nor did anyone who has spoken in this thread. I say that either the the rule should be removed or applied. If it is applied and the sc has to police for a bit, it will soon be followed without the sc having to waste their time. People will learn by experience that it isn't allowed. Also that is why the report post button is there. We are all empowered with that so if we find something offensive, we can alert the sc and all they have to do is make it dissappear.
I have nudes in my workshop folder. I do nudes for some friends. I find nothing wrong with nudes. And I don't think it is worth me losing a job I like because one or two people have a problem following rules. I only go to two or three different sites from work. I don't need to google anything.
09/01/2006 09:21:11 PM · #11
There seems to be a suggestion that DPC/SC/Admins are somehow responsible for ensuring that you don't see nudes on this site when you're not 'expecting' to. This is a dangerous assumption.

It is up to individuals to flag their images as nude to prevent them displaying on certain pages. It is also up to individuals to ensure they don't post nudes in threads without some kind of warning, or turn them into links instead.

It is impossible for SC to continuously patrol the forums and galleries to ensure these nudity rules are being adhered to.

And what happens if you do get fired from your job? - Or heaven forbid, if your child sees a nipple? - Will you lodge a complaint with the DPC owners?

I do not believe DPC can offer any guarantee that you will not see nudes, or encounter any adult conversation/innuendo or anything else you might find offensive.

And you should bear this in mind if you make the decision to surf this site when you're in work, or if you allow you children onto this site.

Message edited by author 2006-09-01 21:22:03.
09/01/2006 09:20:23 PM · #12
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:

Is this a photography site any more?.. because...All I hear nowadays is OMG nudes OMG something rather...

QUIT COMPLAINING I am sick of it... this site use to be fun but all it all it is nowadays is whinging whining adults.. I thought you all knew better. Ok hate me for.. I'm beggining to not care... But all this controversy with all these nudes its getting really pathetic... How old are you people? If you people don't want to see nudes then click the appropriate box in your preferences...but be prepared for the odd one to show up...this is a photography site after all...I just thought being grown men and women you'd confront a person if they are annoying you..or offending you, but instead.. you go and talk behind their back.

That is something a 15 YR OLD would do. So WHAT if people want to do artistic nudes and want to express themselves in different ways ITS THEIR CHOICE NOT YOURS...GET THE HELL OVER IT AND GROW UP. Nude photography has been around since cameras were invented...if you don't like it...pack up your camera and leave!

I have nothing more to say...


If you can't deal with the fact that there are rules and terms of service here, just as in real life in nearly every other place adults might go/be/etc. in the free world, then perhaps you should take your own advice. Join a site that is all about nudity and art and all that for what it's worth. You are correct that this is a photography site, yes...but asking to enforce a rule that is already there is not a crime. Throwing a temper tantrum and screaming at people who are only trying to follow previously-created rules is.
09/01/2006 09:19:01 PM · #13
Originally posted by pcody:

people calling someone a 15yr old because they don't want to see surprise nudes in the thread and such.
I am allowed to use company computers on my lunch break to surf. There is a company policy about adult content. There are employees that have access to what we have been up to while surfing. All I need is to be fired because I accidently pulled up a nude picture in a forum thread.


Ever took a wrong turn in Google... woohoo T&A everywhere...
09/01/2006 09:14:58 PM · #14
Originally posted by pcody:

people calling someone a 15yr old because they don't want to see surprise nudes in the thread and such.
I am allowed to use company computers on my lunch break to surf. There is a company policy about adult content. There are employees that have access to what we have been up to while surfing. All I need is to be fired because I accidently pulled up a nude picture in a forum thread.


Oh please... if you honestly think there's a chance in hell of going to DPC and sidestepping every nude you're kidding yourself.
09/01/2006 09:13:36 PM · #15
Originally posted by pcody:

All the op was asking is for a rule that is already in the tos be applied. He's not asking for new rules to be made. He's not asking that all nudes be banned. He's not asking to have people jump all over him because he wants a rule that exists now to be followed.
Why are so many people not reading the original post and bringing their own agenda into the discussion?


And if the answer is no... would it drop or will someone else take the podium?
09/01/2006 09:13:14 PM · #16
people calling someone a 15yr old because they don't want to see surprise nudes in the thread and such.
I am allowed to use company computers on my lunch break to surf. There is a company policy about adult content. There are employees that have access to what we have been up to while surfing. All I need is to be fired because I accidently pulled up a nude picture in a forum thread.
09/01/2006 09:12:18 PM · #17
:)
09/01/2006 09:10:32 PM · #18
Originally posted by Qart:

What agenda's that?


1. Start debate about nudity and acceptability on DPC
2. Get new rules created that ban nudity
3. Revel in turmoil and disorder
4. ...
5. PROFIT!

The fine points still need to be worked out.
09/01/2006 09:06:24 PM · #19
Originally posted by pcody:

All the op was asking is for a rule that is already in the tos be applied. He's not asking for new rules to be made. He's not asking that all nudes be banned. He's not asking to have people jump all over him because he wants a rule that exists now to be followed.
Why are so many people not reading the original post and bringing their own agenda into the discussion?


What agenda's that?
09/01/2006 09:04:52 PM · #20
All the op was asking is for a rule that is already in the tos be applied. He's not asking for new rules to be made. He's not asking that all nudes be banned. He's not asking to have people jump all over him because he wants a rule that exists now to be followed.
Why are so many people not reading the original post and bringing their own agenda into the discussion?
09/01/2006 09:02:06 PM · #21
Originally posted by rex:


And what if your child is looking at this site and this person has not flagged images as nude?


What I find funny about that statement is that she isn't much older than a child herself. hehe ... Love ya, Amy.
09/01/2006 09:01:11 PM · #22
Originally posted by MadMan2k:

Originally posted by rex:

And what if your child is looking at this site and this person has not flagged images as nude?


I think ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE made the point a while ago, that he would rather his kids see breasts (which they already knew about, as all kids do), than guns and violence. I sort of agree, I don't think it'll hurt kids to see an odd boob here and there when they're looking over their parent's shoulder. They can't see boobs shooting people on TV and then go steal a boob and shoot their classmates with it..


Not true...what about a booby trap?

(Am I allowed to make jokes like that anymore?)
09/01/2006 08:59:56 PM · #23
There should be DPC Afterdark. That would be an exclusive club for nudity.

I am totally joking and just trying to get involoved.
09/01/2006 08:58:42 PM · #24
Originally posted by rex:

And what if your child is looking at this site and this person has not flagged images as nude?


I think ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE made the point a while ago, that he would rather his kids see breasts (which they already knew about, as all kids do), than guns and violence. I sort of agree, I don't think it'll hurt kids to see an odd boob here and there when they're looking over their parent's shoulder. They can't see boobs shooting people on TV and then go steal a boob and shoot their classmates with it..
09/01/2006 08:57:16 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


Except the debate is about how to TAG them, not how to BAN them. Some people care about this issue. Evidently you don't. But why whale on people who DO care?


I almost beg to differ Robert. Viable Solutions have been offered, but have mostly been ignored. It seems more or less people just want to gripe.

Message edited by author 2006-09-01 20:57:32.
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