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08/23/2006 03:24:15 PM · #1
I know the Olympus 330 has one, but does anyone know of any others?

This is such a useful feature, I'd hate to lose it when I upgrade to DSLR.
08/23/2006 03:25:52 PM · #2
Most DSLRs don't even allow you to compose your picture using the LCD as the mirror is in the way.
08/23/2006 03:27:12 PM · #3
It's useless on a DSLR, you can't use it to shot. You have to use the viewfinder.

I think Olympus as a DSLR using a technology where you can use it, but I'm not sure

Too slow...

Message edited by author 2006-08-23 15:27:50.
08/23/2006 03:59:08 PM · #4
A little more detail:

A dSLR uses an optical viewfinder (meaning no battery drain and no lag) that has a mirror mounted behind the lens to direct the light rays into the viewfinder. When you take a picture, the mirror flips out of the way and the light is captured by the sensor: so on a long exposure, the viewfinder actually goes dark for the entire length of the exposure. Of course, it goes dark for ANY exposure, but you don't notice it with shorter exposures.

The dSLR LCD screen is a "playback" screen; it displays the recently-captured image. In order to have a "live" LCD, you'd have to have a second ccd somewhere else inside the camera, and this would be the one that created the image to be projected onto the LCD screen in real time. I'm pretty sure this is what Olympus has done.

As far as I'm concerned it's a waste of battery power; one of the truly great things about the dSLR is its extremely low battery drain. I had to recharge my Nikon Coolpix after every photo shoot, whereas the 20D will run a week or two on a single charge, unless I shoot a lot.

Robt.
08/23/2006 04:06:39 PM · #5
CLARIFICATIONS:

1) Olympus has innovations in this area. Their E-10/E-20 units used a prism to split the image and thus the LCD could be used to compose the shot. Furthermore, their LCD popped out. The downside was the light was divided for both the viewscreen and LCD resulting in less light for viewing.

For those who think this a useless feature I found that I used it quite often with my E-20. I could hold the camera over my head (and over the crowd) and compose my shot in the LCD. *snap* The E-10/E-20 was a fixed lens system. (Many people associate removable lens' as synonymous with SLR. And that's not quite accurate.)

2) Olympus has also released newer cameras that allow viewing and composition via the LCD. I am not sure, but I do believe the LCD can still pop-out. They did this if I recall correctly by having a second low-res CCD which passed a lesser quality image to the LCD (which being only 2+ inches wide does not need an 8-megapixel image for display.

08/23/2006 04:43:38 PM · #6
I thought the new Sony's had the live point-and-shoot look at the LCD to compose your pictures feature. I may be mistaken. Let me go look. LOL

edit:maybe not?

Message edited by author 2006-08-23 16:48:35.
08/23/2006 05:02:52 PM · #7
Found this in a recent Popular Photography article:

The Zigview-R

It's an add-on "live-view" LCD for almost any SLR/DSLR.

I'm very intrigued.
08/23/2006 05:06:47 PM · #8
Originally posted by wee_ag:

Found this in a recent Popular Photography article:

The Zigview-R

It's an add-on "live-view" LCD for almost any SLR/DSLR.

I'm very intrigued.

I like the idea too. Maybe in the future. Theres other things I need before that.
08/23/2006 05:07:04 PM · #9
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


As far as I'm concerned it's a waste of battery power; one of the truly great things about the dSLR is its extremely low battery drain. I had to recharge my Nikon Coolpix after every photo shoot, whereas the 20D will run a week or two on a single charge, unless I shoot a lot.

Robt.


I grew up shooting with an old Pentax SLR 35mm and didn't shoot much in recent years until I got the Powershot G6. That flipout LCD is very handy for doing all kinds of shots, especially close to the ground and shots with the tripod. Probably half my challenge entries were done with the LCD flipped out for whatever reason.

I now have the dSLR and the thing I miss the most is that flipout LCD. I don't anticipate that day when I have to lay on the ground to setup a shot vs. just holding the camera down and viewing the LCD.

It's certainly a tradeoff (quality vs. convenience), but I hope one day it becomes standard on SLRs. Certainly Olympus has it figured out, I'm sure the others can also. I'd be willing to pay a bit more for this feature.

Keep in mind also that you can turn the LCD off if you want to save power. The G6 has all just about everything turned off that consumes power,such as splash screen, sounds, etc. I can shoot a couple hundred pics (at least) without having to change batteries. After about 9k pictures the battery has died only a couple of times during shooting since I'll just change it out after I shoot a lot.
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