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08/21/2006 09:53:11 AM · #1
.... no really I can't.

I'm going to have to see an example of this.

Can anyone help?

Cheers,

Iain
08/21/2006 09:58:02 AM · #2
Yeah me too been thinking about it alll night
08/21/2006 09:59:07 AM · #3
I think i'll go back through my challenge entries and find the ones that say "I really don't know what the subject is here" and reshoot. :)
08/21/2006 10:08:35 AM · #4
JJ's the master at it :)

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08/21/2006 10:12:20 AM · #5
Some examples of what I consider it to be:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/469/thumb/311842.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/469/thumb/311842.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/394/thumb/245871.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/394/thumb/245871.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/102/thumb/23448.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/102/thumb/23448.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/282909.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/282909.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/282912.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/282912.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/207084.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/207084.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/137888.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/137888.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/119721.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/119721.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/83187.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/83187.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/75322.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/2780/thumb/75322.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

Some of them fit better than others... it's a trick one thats for sure! :)
08/21/2006 10:18:27 AM · #6
Originally posted by PurpleFire:

... I'm going to have to see an example of this.

Could be tough to do with current "Outtake" forum regulations: Forum Rules. Now that the 'Image without Subject' challenge has officially started any examples preceded by "would this work?" could be censored. Fire II challenge was the last time an image got censored, pre-voting.

Rule #2
Please do not discuss specific challenge entries or outtakes until voting has ended. Doing so can affect voting and commenting, so please save these discussions for after the end of the voting period. Please report any posts discussing these, and do not reply to them. Outtake threads posted early will be removed.

BTW - I didn't write the rules, nor do I enforce them; I've just learned from past experience.

Good luck! ;^)
08/21/2006 10:29:47 AM · #7
<removed due to challenge entry>

Message edited by author 2006-08-28 14:26:09.
08/21/2006 02:09:15 PM · #8
Originally posted by PurpleFire:

.... no really I can't.

I'm going to have to see an example of this.

Can anyone help?

Cheers,

Iain

With forum rules as they are I can only direct your attention to Robert's "Landscape/Natural Light II" learning thread, there was an entire section on subjectless landscapes. While subjectless images are not limited to landscapes (or abstracts, for that matter), the images and discussion there may help. (link to thread)

David
08/21/2006 02:13:52 PM · #9
If you create an image where everything in the frame IS "the subject", then you have made an image without a subject. It's the quality of seeing the entire image as a whole, rather than as variously weighted components. It's not that you can't tell WHAT the image is "of"; it's more that there is nothing in the image that is subordinate to, or dominant over, any other part of the image.

That's how I see it, anyway :-)

Robt.

In my portfolio, this one comes to mind as an example:

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SC, feel free to remove this entire addendum if you think it's out of line, but in this particular challenge I think it may be helpful if a few examples get posted, because it is an oddball concept for many people.

Message edited by author 2006-08-21 14:17:09.
08/21/2006 02:17:14 PM · #10
An example from my favorites...at least it is what I consider "subjectless" to be:
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08/21/2006 02:19:27 PM · #11
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08/21/2006 02:21:11 PM · #12
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Message edited by frisca - housekeeping.
08/21/2006 02:23:39 PM · #13
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This one too
08/21/2006 02:27:05 PM · #14
Just a thought - maybe no more examples should be posted? I don't know if this would matter but the thread might be less likely to be modified or deleted or whatever, if there are fewer pictures? The examples posted so far have been really great and I think people should have a good idea of the challenge concept from looking at them.
08/21/2006 02:46:29 PM · #15
When reading the description of the challenge I percieved that the main focus should be along the lines of shapes and/or colors being the dominent subject. Given the examples provided in this thread I think it is a safe mode of thought.
08/21/2006 02:51:08 PM · #16
Originally posted by C Novack:

When reading the description of the challenge I percieved that the main focus should be along the lines of shapes and/or colors being the dominent subject. Given the examples provided in this thread I think it is a safe mode of thought.


I like to word it this way: the *composition* is the subject. Notice the JJ pictures. There are "things" and "people" you could point at, but none of them are the subject, per se. This is a terrific challenge, and an important lesson for stock-photo-loving DPC voters to learn... yeah, right...
08/21/2006 02:51:54 PM · #17
interesting ... i don't get that at all from the description (not that you're wrong)

I think of an image with multiple points of interest, such as a street scene.

Originally posted by C Novack:

shapes and/or colors being the dominent subject
08/21/2006 02:55:25 PM · #18
From the challenge description: Some images seem to have no definable subject, yet seem to work well as a whole. .

Seems fairly straight-forward to me, and wide open to many photography venues (landscape, street, abstract, etc...).

Should be fun! ;^)
08/21/2006 03:00:38 PM · #19
Thanks for all your comments. I'm really looking forward to taking part in this one!
08/21/2006 03:06:50 PM · #20
Originally posted by hopper:

interesting ... i don't get that at all from the description (not that you're wrong)

I think of an image with multiple points of interest, such as a street scene.


I'd absolutely agree with this. Any sort of "busy" picture, that is busy throughout, would qualify very well.

Robt.
08/21/2006 03:24:16 PM · #21
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by hopper:

interesting ... i don't get that at all from the description (not that you're wrong)

I think of an image with multiple points of interest, such as a street scene.


I'd absolutely agree with this. Any sort of "busy" picture, that is busy throughout, would qualify very well.

Busy is certainly one approach, but not the only one. I see some quiet, muted type images doing very well in this also.
08/21/2006 03:26:11 PM · #22
Originally posted by glad2badad:


Busy is certainly one approach, but not the only one. I see some quiet, muted type images doing very well in this also.


Oh, sure, absolutely; that was just in reference to the preceding post about busy street scenes. MOST people weighing in here seem to be leaning the other way, see...?

R.
08/21/2006 03:27:40 PM · #23
There's also a few fine examples in the post that this challenge originated from: Subject-less photo
08/21/2006 04:25:59 PM · #24
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Despite that hint of the fence post, I think this certainly meets that criteria. I predict tons of beautiful landscapes and macros, with some busy city shots thrown in. HEE HEE - Just had an idea.

Good luck to everyone!!
08/21/2006 06:13:35 PM · #25
was browsing my own portofolio to find something that might qualify for the non-subject and only found one

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and one in the 'busy category'

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/531/thumb/373341.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/531/thumb/373341.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

its going to be a real challenging challenge
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