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09/17/2003 01:30:11 AM · #1 |
Although I am happy with the results of my entry Old Fort - King Used To Live Here for Nostalgia, but I was wondering why anyone would give this entry a '1' or a '2'. Can someone please enlighten me here?
I think this a good quality, well composed, fitting the theme picture. Anyways, I got only three comments on this picture and would greatly welcome more.
I am no pro and would love to learn more. My ratings have gone up to 5.59 in this challenge from below 5 in all the last ones... After a long struggle and hard work I guess I am begining to understand what it takes to produce a good quality picture.
Thanks in advance!!
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09/17/2003 01:40:29 AM · #2 |
I give 10 to that photo and I like it very much!
Your voting pattern is troubling here,your average that you give to other photos is 3.27.So maybe the problem is in the way how you see the world and other people works.
You always get what you give! |
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09/17/2003 01:45:23 AM · #3 |
I think it is a wonderful shot...I find it hard to understand anything below a 4 on this image. I would have given it a 7. The slight tilt of the ruins is my only complaint. I my self recieved a couple of 1's. It may be some folks had a different take on the challenge or failed to understand what "Nostalgia" meant.
My thoughts:)
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09/17/2003 01:51:43 AM · #4 |
good observation pitsaman...astiv - a 3.2 avg. vote cast is WICKED low! To get that low - you would have to have given your fair share of 1's yourself....and if you give em' you have to be willing to get them.
Having said that - I agree with you, if someone gave your pic a 1 then I would LOVE to see their scale. Probably just some troll, or someone having a bad day who only looked at your pic for .01 seconds and landscapes just don't interest them.
I personally gave your shot a 7. I thought the subject was framed well, and the subject was pretty interesting.
Try uping your avg vote...maybe if you spread a little joy...it'll come back to you...and if everyone spreads a little...
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09/17/2003 02:00:14 AM · #5 |
Sorry this photo goes to Rest thread!
Message edited by author 2003-09-17 02:15:58. |
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09/17/2003 02:03:53 AM · #6 |
There were probably people who interpreted nostalgia as something you *personally* had fond, nostolgic memories of. Nostalgia has more meaning than just "old". So some people probably couldn't accept that you would have a sense of nostolgia for this old castle.
I didn't vote, so no "I gave you..." I probably wouldn't have given you a one, but I would have been hard pressed to give you more than a 5. It's a borderline "meets the challenge" for me, but it is a beautiful shot with good detail. |
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09/17/2003 02:07:55 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by xhoss:
Probably just some troll, or someone having a bad day who only looked at your pic for .01 seconds and landscapes just don't interest them. |
I'd disagree with this characterization. In this case, there is a basis for arguing a 1, if your scale doesn't give any points when the challenge isn't met, and you're hyper-critical about the definition of this challenge. Sometimes the "troll" label is thrown around a bit too cavalierly.
Kosta, LOL! I have no idea what it has to do with this thread, but it's hillarious. :) |
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09/17/2003 02:14:27 AM · #8 |
thanks for your vote Pitsman!!
My average of the votes I give will always be low... The reason is that I vote only the low end pictures or very nice ones. My intention of voting(since I can't vote on every picture) is that I get to put comments on the best or the worst ones. I really don't have time like you and many other guys who have this as a max time hobby/profession.
One more thing is that you mentioned that what you give is what you get.... does that mean if I gave just 20% necessary votes (high ratings) to all the good selected pictures my rating would increase? I think you are being irrational here and from a person of your talent and stature I don't expect this.
Anyways, how do you find out the rating given by a particular user if he does not mention it in his comments? I always thought that voting was confidential. Your comments and other such instances make it seem like it isn't.
More to the fact as I mentioned in this thread above I am here to learn and not to just somehow earn a ribbon.
All said and done... thanks anyways for a very motivating comment and sorry if I have been harsh in this note. I personally have always appreciated your photography and hope to learn more from you and all others. Just that I had worked hard on this picture and was very dissapointed (specially after your 10) that why would someone give a 1 or 2 to this picture.
Regards,
Asit Verma
Originally posted by pitsaman:
I give 10 to that photo and I like it very much!
Your voting pattern is troubling here,your average that you give to other photos is 3.27.So maybe the problem is in the way how you see the world and other people works.
You always get what you give! |
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09/17/2003 02:17:50 AM · #9 |
| Nothing personal here,we are talking photos only! |
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09/17/2003 02:28:03 AM · #10 |
If you feel a photograph has violated the site rules, you may click the "Recommend Disqualification for this Picture" link and enter your reason why. You should then vote on the photo as if the rule was not broken, and leave the determination up to the administrators.
According to the rules there shouldn't be a "challenge not met scale". If a shot doesn't meet the challenge topic, then it should be dq'd - not given a 1 for that reason.
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09/17/2003 03:09:20 AM · #11 |
Back to Nostalgia. I have a whole bunch of pictures that I took at The Old Threshers Day in Yuma, CO that I am going to have up as prints (soon). This one placed 14th (thought I would get that ribbon this time...oh well)
Now looks like this (added some motion blur and cleaned it up)
Would like any comments or changes.
thanks in advance
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09/17/2003 03:16:26 AM · #12 |
| The second photo is Dacrazygood!Excellent use of GB! |
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09/17/2003 03:19:14 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by xhoss:
If you feel a photograph has violated the site rules, you may click the "Recommend Disqualification for this Picture" link and enter your reason why. You should then vote on the photo as if the rule was not broken, and leave the determination up to the administrators.
According to the rules there shouldn't be a "challenge not met scale". If a shot doesn't meet the challenge topic, then it should be dq'd - not given a 1 for that reason. |
No, that's not correct. Not meeting the challenge is not grounds for DQ. It's a very subjective judgement, and accoring to the rules: "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." So, you determine based on your interpretation, understanding, taste, etc. whether a photo meets the challenge, to what degree it meets the challenge, and adjust the score you give it based on that judgement.
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09/17/2003 03:20:22 AM · #14 |
actually it is correct. if a picture doesn't meet the topic then it is inherently against the rules.
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09/17/2003 03:23:34 AM · #15 |
poor site admins....
Message edited by author 2003-09-17 03:25:25. |
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09/17/2003 04:05:39 AM · #16 |
xhoss
clearly the site admin and moderators disagree with you. there have been numerous occasions when they have reiterated that they will not DQ an entry because someone feels that it does not meet the challenge. As Scott says, meeting the challenge is highly subjective. He even quotes the relevant text from the rules for you.
So it is absolutely justified for someone who feels that challenge is all important (as you do) to score the image very low. Asking for a DQ would have no success unless the image breaks the rules themselves such as date taken, editing applied, feature pornographic content etc.
Asitv
I like your image well enough, though the tilt does bother me, however I agree that it doesn't really evoke nostalgia to me. It does speak to me of history but the meaning of nostalgia is not simply something old. It is for exactly this reason (the way that we all have such subjective views about how well an image meets the challenge) that images are not DQd on meeting the challenge.
In my personal opinion an image that has some merit photographically and has clearly attempted to meet the challenge will not get a 1 from me - but that is according to my own voting scale. Everyone is free to vote as they wish.
Incidentally, we cannot see how you voted on individual images but the top left side of the screen when you go and look at a profile shows you that user's average vote overall. |
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09/17/2003 04:40:40 AM · #17 |
I didn't vote for this one, but I would say that the sky is bleached out. It spoils the pic for me. Having said that that was a common problem with many of the landscape shots in the contest. Even the photo that finished 3rd!
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09/17/2003 06:36:31 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
your average that you give to other photos is 3.27.So maybe the problem is in the way how you see the world and other people works.You always get what you give! |
Let me disagree with this.
My "average vote cast" is: 3.9686 (basically 4), even if I tend to avoid giving 1s.
The reason for such average is pretty simple: when I vote for a challenge I vote for all (200 or more) of them.
I find that, under the current rating system, to vote for just some of them creates a great unbalance.
Then, of course, if I should vote only for the best ones, my "average vote cast" would be much higher.
But, voting for all of them, that is the average for of all the pics submitted in Open Challenges (note that I do not vote for Member ones) and I think that it is a pretty honest one.
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