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08/09/2006 03:27:58 PM · #1
I have been using copperhill or so for a year. Today, I was going to get 3 specks off. Followed instructions...however, now I seem to have a line at the top of my image. (this would be the bottom of the sensor if I'm not mistaken).

as you can see, it kind of "bends" and fissles out on the right side.

Anyone know if I killed this thing? It does not show up in anything but the sky. I tried cleaning once more after I discoverd it but it is still there...along with the dust I was trying to remove!

Any comments or suggestions?

It is a D70.



Message edited by author 2007-05-18 20:00:12.
08/09/2006 03:36:27 PM · #2
Yes. I think you should burn it and buy the new D80 immediately to recover your losses. :p

Seriously though, it looks like you've done something. It looks as though you somehow scarred the sensor, and I'm not sure what you could do. If it only shows up in sky, then live with it or buy a new camera. Maybe find a used D70 if you are on a budget. I've never seen a 'fix' to sensor issues like that, but I hope for your sake that I'm wrong.
08/09/2006 03:38:29 PM · #3
I know it is a dumb suggestion, but did u try any other lens? Maybe you scratched your lens....

I would suggest you get a air blower and blow on the sensor a bit, and then gently try cleaning it again. That line looks absolutely straight for it be a scratch made by you, but it could have happened.
08/09/2006 03:43:28 PM · #4
It's possible there was a piece of grit trapped between the blade and the glass. The fact that it's straight, then makes a little loop-back at the end where you'd reverse direction seems to possibly support this. It would have had to be a pretty good sized chunk of something very hard (even metal wouldn't do it).
08/09/2006 03:47:03 PM · #5
Too late for the last reply...like I said...it may have been something that I dragged across!

It is very straight...then on the right side it kind of loops back on itself. It almost looks like the line is some kind of "wire" or other part of the "sensor area" that I may have somehow broken or exposed.

When I first saw it I thought I 'dragged" some dust over the sensor. But I can see that it is light on the left...heavy in the middle and then light on the right.

any other comments?

Thanks for your replies.

Skid

Originally posted by ignite:

I know it is a dumb suggestion, but did u try any other lens? Maybe you scratched your lens....

I would suggest you get a air blower and blow on the sensor a bit, and then gently try cleaning it again. That line looks absolutely straight for it be a scratch made by you, but it could have happened.


Message edited by author 2006-08-09 15:48:18.
08/09/2006 03:52:30 PM · #6
Can you closely examine the sensor, with a magnifying galss or maybe take a photo of it using another camera and see if there is anything there ON the sensor, like dirt or maybe something sticky that might have come from the cleaner or something.
08/09/2006 04:02:28 PM · #7
I tried another cleaning and it is still there. I think it could be something on the sensor that I mashed really good! I'll try another cleaning later today when I get back home.

I'm really beginning to think that I scratched it up permantly. However, it really doesn't play a major roll in my shots. It really doesn't show up if there is any color or "texture" in the shot.

I'll live with it and face the fact that the resale value just plummented!

I'll keep you up to date!

Thanks,

Kenskid

Originally posted by ignite:

Can you closely examine the sensor, with a magnifying galss or maybe take a photo of it using another camera and see if there is anything there ON the sensor, like dirt or maybe something sticky that might have come from the cleaner or something.

08/09/2006 05:11:09 PM · #8
Ok...here is where I stand:

The line is there to stay! It will not budge. I scratched the sensor trying to clean dust specks! However, I must say that this is the first cleaning where I was in a "rush" and did not take as much care as I should have. I may have even put the swab down on the table before I used it! (although it may just be my imagination).

Here is a worse case senareo for me. I shot a close up of a leaf at f32 I used "basic" editing to try to bring out the scratch. I then resized to 640 as if it was a challenge entry.

If you look close at the top, you can see the scratch. Remember, this is at f32. I can't remember ever purposly needing to use f32 in the past year.

So to calm myself, I decided that I can live with this mistake and can never sell the camera (without divuldging the truth).

I still believe in Copperhill and plan to use it again...but more carefully!


08/09/2006 05:12:55 PM · #9
aaaw but it does hurt..... :(

this is the one and only reason I don't like digital.
08/09/2006 05:15:00 PM · #10
If it's any consolation (and it isn't), at least its along an edge. If you get use to its location and frame accordingly, its a pretty croppable position to work with.

Think of the mess you would have had it been in the middle.
08/09/2006 05:15:36 PM · #11
Edit for nobody: Yes I know it is in a pretty "good" spot. I already silently convinced myself over and over that it is in a good spot

it is in a good spot it is in a good spot it is in a good spot it is in a good spot it is in a good spot it is in a good spot it is in a good spot............

*********

Yes...it is killing me knowing that my SENSOR IS SCRATCHED but this time next year I'll have a D80 or D200 and use my D70 as an extra. (It helps to think like this) !

Originally posted by biteme:

aaaw but it does hurt..... :(

this is the one and only reason I don't like digital.


Message edited by author 2006-08-09 17:17:00.
08/09/2006 05:17:04 PM · #12
Bugger.
This is perhaps the only definitive case I've seen where a piece of grit was by far the most likely culprit. For reference, what is your swabbing "stick" made out of, and what type of wiping material are you wrapping it with?

Edited for dyslexia.

Message edited by author 2006-08-09 17:18:03.
08/09/2006 05:17:24 PM · #13
If you could somehow make this in the "Stupid, Stupid" challenge...
08/09/2006 05:18:16 PM · #14
It all came with the Copperhill. It was that plastic "knife" and the pec pads....

Originally posted by kirbic:

Bugger.
This is perhaps the only definitive case I've seen where a piece of grit was by far the most likely culprit. For reference, what is your swabbing "stick" made out of, and what type of wiping material are you wrapping it with?

08/09/2006 05:18:54 PM · #15
Hey...that's not nice !!! ;-)

Originally posted by Nobody:

If you could somehow make this in the "Stupid, Stupid" challenge...

08/09/2006 05:20:42 PM · #16
Thats a lot of sensor cleaning your doing! I have had my 300D nearly 3 years and have only had the sensor cleaned once. I do have a couple of spots on the sensor now but they are only really noticble if I take a shot of the sky, nothing I cant clone out. Just seems a bit excessive cleaning it once a month!


08/09/2006 05:21:29 PM · #17
I need to get my eyes checked... I read the title as "seniors - did I kill it" and thought I was supposed to be looking at somebodies senior portrait in your first picture... maybe I should just enter a self portrait for the stupid challenge...
08/09/2006 05:28:46 PM · #18
Originally posted by MikeOwens:

Thats a lot of sensor cleaning your doing!


I agree with Mike here. The Copperhill system is fantastic, but it nevertheless has potential to damage the sensor if you scrape a serious piece of grit along with the swab. I use Copperhill, and I use it about every 3-4 months, I seem to manage that long before I need it. Every time I use it, I use a blower first to try to blow off anything on the sensor, then finish up with the Copperhill.

It certainly looks to me as if you dragged something nasty right across the sensor. Lawd knows, I am not going to be even more careful than I have been...

R.
08/09/2006 05:38:46 PM · #19
Like I said...every month or "so" for a year....I probably swabbed 7-9 times in the past year with no problems at all. Each time I removed all spots!

It was this time that did it. I'm not sure what got in there but feel I may have been careless. I can't be sure if I didn't put the swab down for a second on the glass table I was working on. I don't think I did but I can't imagine how grit got on the pec pad. It was stored in original package ...and the package was inside a sealed plastic baggie!

So unless the grit was "on the sensor", which is possible, I'm not sure how I could have prevented it!

Skid

Originally posted by MikeOwens:

Thats a lot of sensor cleaning your doing! I have had my 300D nearly 3 years and have only had the sensor cleaned once. I do have a couple of spots on the sensor now but they are only really noticble if I take a shot of the sky, nothing I cant clone out. Just seems a bit excessive cleaning it once a month!

08/09/2006 05:41:15 PM · #20
Man that sucks, sorry that your sensor is screwed up...this is why I don't like the wet cleaning method. Liquid and light sensitive materials just dont mix. In all honesty, invest a dollar on a roll of scotch tape and you'll be good to go.
08/09/2006 05:46:50 PM · #21
Hate to keep adding to this dreadfull post but:

It seems that many of you wanted to see the profile of the "stupid guy who damaged his sensor" so my profile views cracked 5000 ! It was 4090 last night and now is 5028 !

Thanks for looking at the STUPID GUY !!!

Message edited by author 2006-08-09 17:49:08.
08/09/2006 05:47:41 PM · #22
Dep...does that scotch tape really work? Is it safer than liquid?

Skid

Originally posted by deapee:

Man that sucks, sorry that your sensor is screwed up...this is why I don't like the wet cleaning method. Liquid and light sensitive materials just dont mix. In all honesty, invest a dollar on a roll of scotch tape and you'll be good to go.

08/09/2006 05:55:11 PM · #23
Originally posted by kenskid:

Dep...does that scotch tape really work? Is it safer than liquid?

Skid

Originally posted by deapee:

Man that sucks, sorry that your sensor is screwed up...this is why I don't like the wet cleaning method. Liquid and light sensitive materials just dont mix. In all honesty, invest a dollar on a roll of scotch tape and you'll be good to go.


yeah man it works. I think it's safer...I would never put liquid near my camera intentionally especially when the lens is off.

It's simple...get like 8 inches of tape, double it over (sticky side out) and use a soft brush with a pad to put it right on your sensor...press super light, and roll the tape back off...cleans the sensor 100% 100% of the time for me.
08/09/2006 05:57:31 PM · #24
If you look at this thread you can see that one member had a similar problem and had to send his camera in to replace the sensor... on the canon 20d it was $358.
08/09/2006 06:22:10 PM · #25
Originally posted by deapee:

Originally posted by kenskid:

Dep...does that scotch tape really work? Is it safer than liquid?

Skid


yeah man it works. I think it's safer...I would never put liquid near my camera intentionally especially when the lens is off.

It's simple...get like 8 inches of tape, double it over (sticky side out) and use a soft brush with a pad to put it right on your sensor...press super light, and roll the tape back off...cleans the sensor 100% 100% of the time for me.


God... are you kidding? You'd rather put GLUE near your sensor than solution specifically made for cleaning photo equipment?

The residue that could leave would be almost as bad as scratching it. If you've had no problem, you're lucky. Pure luck.
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